[DEFEATED] Condemn Royal Lagrangian

[Sedgistan]

It was requested in the Condemn Coalition of Free Governments thread. As a member of the government, we post this up for debate. The copy is done as best as we can, as we are unfamiliar with the forum's functionality.

Recognizing that the nation known as The Royal Lagrangian, though one of many nations, has committed crimes against liberty in a fashion typical of a tyrant.
Noting that there have been multiple schisms of one of their dominated regions United Nations Commonwealth has suffered many tragedies. In that Lagrangian's tenure as leader has led to a collapse of a region.
Shocked that The Royal Lagrangian through the actions of various puppet nations continues to harass those who fled from their rule. These regions include
•The now defunct "The United Nations Commonwealth" region
•United Nations Commonwealth
•The Congress of Sovereign Nations
•The United Region States
•Coalition of Free Governments
Appalled with The Royal Lagrangian's desire for control that they would go as far as to create a region to claim members from a region that separated in order to fully control it themselves. Then, when said region did not function as Lagrangian had pleased (the now defunct "New Congress of Sovereign Nations") the nation created by the founder had all member states forcibly removed and locked the region.
Further Noting that Lagrangian had sent puppets in order to harass regions and threaten their destruction. Even that Lagrangian had openly admitted to a coup within Coalition of Free Governments is nothing short of subversive warfare and actions typical of a dictator.
Disheartened that after a draft of this proposal was written in Coalition of Free Governments Regional Message Board, that [nation=short]The Royal Lagrangian[/nation] had taken steps to cover up their actions.
Believing that these actions deem The Royal Lagrangian worthy of a condemnation with tyrannical actions committed through multiple regions on NationStates.
Undoubting that such actions, while an fundamental aspect of this world, should be deterred by proposals such as this. Further feeling that such actions are deserving of international attention and investigation.
Hereby condemns The Royal Lagrangian

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Ask the Mods to merge it with the other thread or merge that one with this. No point having two threads about one subject.

Doesn't really matter that much as it is a poorly written condemnation that will not make quorum.

[Vancouvia]

Ask the Mods to merge it with the other thread or merge that one with this. No point having two threads about one subject.

Doesn't really matter that much as it is a poorly written condemnation that will not make quorum.

Spoke too soon

[Jersey Republic]

Lag has also tormented our region the Union of the royal alliance we support this bill

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Ask the Mods to merge it with the other thread or merge that one with this. No point having two threads about one subject.

Doesn't really matter that much as it is a poorly written condemnation that will not make quorum.

Spoke too soon

It only just made it. Have recommended to the TWP Delegate that he votes against this and stomps early.

[Greater Raetia]

No offence, but the TWP delegate is infamous for approving of every piece of proposed legislation, even the real crap ones.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

No offence, but the TWP delegate is infamous for approving of every piece of proposed legislation, even the real crap ones.

You're mistaking TWI for TWP. Vancouvia, TWI's Delegate always approves any WA proposal, good, bad or illegal.

TWP's Delegate rarely approves any proposal.

Next time get your facts straight.

[Greater Raetia]

No offence, but the TWP delegate is infamous for approving of every piece of proposed legislation, even the real crap ones.

You're mistaking TWI for TWP. Vancouvia always approves any WA proposal, good, bad or illegal.

TWP's Delegate rarely approves any proposal.

Next time get your facts straight.

Oh right. I meant TWI.

Approving no legislation is just as bad as approving every last proposal imo.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

You're mistaking TWI for TWP. Vancouvia always approves any WA proposal, good, bad or illegal.

TWP's Delegate rarely approves any proposal.

Next time get your facts straight.

Oh right. I meant TWI.

Approving no legislation is just as bad as approving every last proposal imo.

Did I say TWP doesn't approve any proposal? No, I said rarely. Those ones which deserve approval get it. The vast majority are like the present proposal, undeserving.

[We Are Not the NSA]

I've never previously heard of this nation, and I lack intimate knowledge on them, however that doesn't really matter, seeing as I had never heard of Haiku before they were commended. I'll be voting against solely because I am not yet convinced that they deserve a condemnation, and the proposal itself is less than adequate imo. Posting it to the forum beforehand would have produced better results.

[Cesopium]

Against due to lack of adequate case

[Jersey Republic]

I've never previously heard of this nation, and I lack intimate knowledge on them, however that doesn't really matter, seeing as I had never heard of Haiku before they were commended. I'll be voting against solely because I am not yet convinced that they deserve a condemnation, and the proposal itself is less than adequate imo. Posting it to the forum beforehand would have produced better results.

He has tormented our region, he always tries to infiltrate our region and says he'll bring it down

[Talvezout]

This made it to the voting process.

Not gonna lie, I'm kinda impressed.

Anyways, I'm against, in that as much as Lag ruined our region as well as others, in addition to behaving less than nicely, you can't really convict him on OOC stuff.

[Vancouvia]

You're mistaking TWI for TWP. Vancouvia always approves any WA proposal, good, bad or illegal.

TWP's Delegate rarely approves any proposal.

Next time get your facts straight.

Oh right. I meant TWI.

Approving no legislation is just as bad as approving every last proposal imo.

Bruh this had literally no relevance to anything

[North Francia (Ancient)]

The tension on the quorum was...rather high. Not going to lie, even We (royal we mind you) are surprised.

Regional destruction and threats of invasion are an OOC matter? How about acting on it? In regards to OOC matters though, those will be taken up with the mods as needed. The proposal here was namely meant to condemn him for IC actions related to destroying regions and the constitutions Lag constantly posts on how the founder has no power but then acts unilaterally. At least, that was the objective.

[The Ebony Republic]

If this doesn't pass I'm noting the WA is full of filthy conservatives.

[We Are Not the NSA]

I have a question: has Lagrangian actually destroyed a region that they were not the founder of?

[Almonaster Nuevo]

If so, it's not clear from the text of the resolution. I'll be voting against.

[TheGemini]

If this doesn't pass I'm noting the WA is full of filthy conservatives.

No kidding. I vote in favor of the condemnation.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I'm just appalled by the lack of spacing between the clauses. However it is, Europe is neutral and does not vote in SC resolutions that have anything to do with gameplay. The cards will fall as they will.

Best of luck to all parties (though this is a zero-sum game),

IA.

[Jersey Republic]

If this doesn't pass I'm noting the WA is full of filthy conservatives.

Lags been annoying us since soveirgn nations

[North Francia (Ancient)]

I have a question: has Lagrangian actually destroyed a region that they were not the founder of?

He attempted to.

One of his puppet nations The Royal Mustard infiltrated the Coalition during the founding. When he took over he suppressed many RMB posts and changed the region's world factbook to something along the lines of "hahahahahahaha I won" A short battle ensued for the region until he was banjected and removed from power.

The attempted coup was admitted to via another one of his puppets. The confession can be viewed here http://i.imgur.com/uhYRHFY.png. This attack is one of the clauses in the condemnation.

[We Are Not the NSA]

I have a question: has Lagrangian actually destroyed a region that they were not the founder of?

He attempted to.

One of his puppet nations The Royal Mustard infiltrated the Coalition during the founding. When he took over he suppressed many RMB posts and changed the region's world factbook to something along the lines of "hahahahahahaha I won" A short battle ensued for the region until he was banjected and removed from power.

The attempted coup was admitted to via another one of his puppets. The confession can be viewed here http://i.imgur.com/uhYRHFY.png. This attack is one of the clauses in the condemnation.

So he has never successfully destroyed a region, only attempted to. I still don't see how this merits the Security Council's attention.

[We Couldnt Agree On A Name]

I have a question: has Lagrangian actually destroyed a region that they were not the founder of?

From my understanding the issue is with there policy of keeping expatroits under there control by directing them to "alternate" regions actually controlled by puppet nations. See united nations commonwealth founder

Though the campaign telegram sent out by the royal lagrangian and what we've seen of the nations actions is making a more convincing case then any accusations by his critics. It's clear this is a nation that views regional member states as "theirs" and has no scruples about subversive methods to maintain influence.

So he has never successfully destroyed a region, only attempted to. I still don't see how this merits the Security Council's attention.

You don't see how attempting a coup to harass ex-patriots is worthy of condemnation? Oh, DEN. Never mind

[We Are Not the NSA]

I have a question: has Lagrangian actually destroyed a region that they were not the founder of?

From my understanding the issue is with there policy of keeping expatroits under thee control by directing them to "alternate" regions actually controlled by puppet nations. See united nations commonwealth founder

Though the campaign telegram sent out by the royal lagrangian and what we've seen of the nations actions in open make a more convincing case then any accusations by his critics. It's clear this is a nation that views regional member states as "theirs" and has no scruples about subversive methods to maintain influence.

So he has never successfully destroyed a region, only attempted to. I still don't see how this merits the Security Council's attention.

You don't see how attempting a coup to harass ex-patriots is worthy of condemnation? Oh, DEN. Never mind

Committing a coup and attempting a coup are not the same thing, regardless of what one's gameplay ideology may be. If he is truly harassing other players, and if he really does have some magic way of removing approvals, simply filling out a GHR would be much more efficient than wasting time condemning them.