[DEFEATED] Condemn The Land of Kings and Emperors

[Fat Fahy]

It's disgraceful, really, that the big cronies of this undercover mob are preventing the Land of Kings and Emperors from seeing the status it deserves to have. How are us respectable mobsters supposed to keep up with a region that is very clearly nothing but a mob, that chooses to mask what it is under the pretense of being something its not. My arch-nemesis, The Silver Shroud, regardless of what I feel about him personally, is putting all the mobs on even footing with this proposal.

It's one heck of a coincidence that you were founded TODAY and yet are already the ARCH-NEMISIS of this same guy. Couldn't possibly be a puppet at all.

I believe the powers that be prevent talking to yourself do they not? In my city, we use that an excuse to take folks to the madhouse. The Silver Shroud is a scourge upon the mobs and someone I do so wish I could defeat in combat, but today we share a common foe. He wishes to bring the mob that is LKE to Justice. Myself? I but wish for them to be put upon the level playing field that is deserved of all those who choose to live the mob life.

[The Silver Sentinel]

As amusing as the story is, can we get back to the pointlessness at hand please?

[Fat Fahy]

As amusing as the story is, can we get back to the pointlessness at hand please?

I don't see how I'm not, you who seem to evidently be a fan of the Silver Shroud. I fully believe that its rather despicable of the major delegates to have been so bought out by these mobsters trying to hide their true color that they're trying to stomp upon the resolution before it even has a single chance. I am not a man of lawfulness, by no means am I that, but I do believe in a fair playing field for all of us unlawful types and they are choosing to stifle that; whether that be due to some extortion by this LKE Mob, or some other reason. Commenting on such a matter, in the thread related to the proposal at vote, is only not only proper but it is necessary.

[Wallenburg]

Now I wasn't born yesterday (more like four days ago), but of course it's a puppet - just not mine. If you listen to the radio link in my signature, you'll find the source of our "relationship."

Which is why you were created less then a week apart, have almost identical sigs, and are both campaigning for the same awful resolution. I wasn't born yesterday, either.

As amusing as the story is, can we get back to the pointlessness at hand please?

Sure. Why not?

The raiders will see this as a badge of honor. You are only inflating their egos, if this doesn't inflate their ranks as well.

[Wallenburg]

As amusing as the story is, can we get back to the pointlessness at hand please?

I don't see how I'm not, you who seem to evidently be a fan of the Silver Shroud. I fully believe that its rather despicable of the major delegates to have been so bought out by these mobsters trying to hide their true color that they're trying to stomp upon the resolution before it even has a single chance. I am not a man of lawfulness, by no means am I that, but I do believe in a fair playing field for all of us unlawful types and they are choosing to stifle that; whether that be due to some extortion by this LKE Mob, or some other reason. Commenting on such a matter, in the thread related to the proposal at vote, is only not only proper but it is necessary.

The major delegates aren't bought out. They are stomping this because it is a bad resolution.

[Fat Fahy]

How is this a bad resolution? What is inaccurate about the atrocities that the LKE chooses to commit? The fact that they wish to hide their shady dealings and seem like good upstanding citizens rather than the gangsters they are doesn't negate the fact that the actions are being done. The Land of Kings and Emperors themselves are voting against this resolution, and their Godfather has been actively opposing it in this thread. Clearly they find no glory from this badge, only knowledge that a level playing field with the other mobs hurts them. Furthermore, if you are so certain I am a nation of The Silver Shroud, then I suggest speaking to the Moderators about this. Your accusations seem baseless, though, and I evidently am not the Shroud, though what a plot twist that would be. Fat Fahy reveals himself to be The Silver Shroud, now that would make a great story.

[Silver Shroud]

Now I wasn't born yesterday (more like four days ago), but of course it's a puppet - just not mine. If you listen to the radio link in my signature, you'll find the source of our "relationship."

Which is why you were created less then a week apart, have almost identical sigs, and are both campaigning for the same awful resolution. I wasn't born yesterday, either.

You're welcome to report me for talking to "myself." Won't go anywhere, because I don't own that puppet. It's not that hard to emulate a sig?

[Wallenburg]

The Land of Kings and Emperors themselves are voting against this resolution, and their Godfather has been actively opposing it in this thread. Clearly they find no glory.

Indeed they are. I shall reconsider my opposition.

[The Silver Sentinel]

How is this a bad resolution? What is inaccurate about the atrocities that the LKE chooses to commit?

The fact that it was Bob who committed the "massive mail fraud" for one. Look I despise Onder as much as the next guy, but I tend to break ranks with most defenders insofar as I don't actually have a huge bone for the Imps. At least they have a political objective in mind instead of the pointless destruction of DEN. Sure I will defend against them, but I still respect them.

I shall reconsider my opposition.

Why? Take a position and stick by it.

[Consular]

If you want this to pass on individual votes, have you considered a massive telegram campaign to try and gain those votes? Otherwise there will be a lemming effect against you.

[Fat Fahy]

If you want this to pass on individual votes, have you considered a massive telegram campaign to try and gain those votes? Otherwise there will be a lemming effect against you.

Is there a cost affordable way to do that, friend? My finances aren't the most bountiful at the moment, what with extortion fees not coming in as effectively as I'd like them to come. It would be good to know if there's potentially a way to telegram all the World Assembly nations to combat the cronyism of the big delegates that won't end up costing me funds I don't readily have available.

[Silver Shroud]

If you want this to pass on individual votes, have you considered a massive telegram campaign to try and gain those votes? Otherwise there will be a lemming effect against you.

I messaged all delegates to approve/vote prior to it being at vote, and Fat Fahy has told me that they telegrammed all delegates to vote soon after.

[The Silver Sentinel]

If you want this to pass on individual votes, have you considered a massive telegram campaign to try and gain those votes? Otherwise there will be a lemming effect against you.

Is there a cost affordable way to do that, friend? My finances aren't the most bountiful at the moment, what with extortion fees not coming in as effectively as I'd like them to come. It would be good to know if there's potentially a way to telegram all the World Assembly nations to combat the cronyism of the big delegates that won't end up costing me funds I don't readily have available.

It'll set you back just a little over 20 bucks Mr. Moneybags. The only other ways to do it, are by hand which will take you most of a day, or using a script which would take about 10 days to hit all WA nations.

I messaged all delegates to approve/vote prior to it being at vote, and Fat Fahy has told me that they telegrammed all delegates to vote soon after.

Great job guys, just great. Just what we needed... Another fucking spam-campaign that pisses off the delegates and makes it impossible to get shit to vote for a while. Stupendous!!!!

[Silver Shroud]

Is there a cost affordable way to do that, friend? My finances aren't the most bountiful at the moment, what with extortion fees not coming in as effectively as I'd like them to come. It would be good to know if there's potentially a way to telegram all the World Assembly nations to combat the cronyism of the big delegates that won't end up costing me funds I don't readily have available.

It'll set you back just a little over 20 bucks Mr. Moneybags. The only other ways to do it, are by hand which will take you most of a day, or using a script which would take about 10 days to hit all WA nations.

I messaged all delegates to approve/vote prior to it being at vote, and Fat Fahy has told me that they telegrammed all delegates to vote soon after.

Great job guys, just great. Just what we needed... Another fucking spam-campaign that pisses off the delegates and makes it impossible to get shit to vote for a while. Stupendous!!!!

Do you know how many steam games that is? THERE'S A SALE RIGHT NOW MAN!

In all seriousness, you rounded down there, and rounded up about a day - but even at nine days, this isn't exactly on the floor that long, is it? And, from it taking me the majority of an afternoon to reach 600 delegates manually, doubt that's gonna work in the timer period either.

Sorry, sir, but the lady Queen over there asked me to get it to vote already, and a nice donor game me 2k stamps to do it!

[Consular]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=394557

You could easily adapt that method to telegram WA members about a vote, but it will still take lots of manual effort.

Keep in mind if you spam Delegates with too many messages they may vote against out of spite.

[Cormac Stark]

If you want this to pass on individual votes, have you considered a massive telegram campaign to try and gain those votes? Otherwise there will be a lemming effect against you.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=394557

You could easily adapt that method to telegram WA members about a vote, but it will still take lots of manual effort.

Keep in mind if you spam Delegates with too many messages they may vote against out of spite.

Is there a reason you seem so keen to see this pass? The LKE is a treaty ally of both the regions in your signature.

[Consular]

I'm not really keen for it to pass, haha. I can see why it might look that way though. I'm just trying to actually be helpful, as opposed to the useless condescending responses we usually give to people who try things.

[Cormac Stark]

I'm not really keen for it to pass, haha. I can see why it might look that way though. I'm just trying to actually be helpful, as opposed to the useless condescending responses we usually give to people who try things.

Fair enough. Sorry for implying implications.

[DIATOMEA]

Heads and Tails are both ends, while this is but a middle, and few things end so concretely. Regardless of the details, The LKE was involved, and served time as such. If you'd like a current example, just because Sanders had no idea that his staffer was exploring a computer error to view and save Clinton's strategies didn't mean his whole campaign was not questioned in the action. I also don't think it can be said that any one of the listed points can be said to have been done with the full knowledge and consent of all citizens.

Very well. Condemn the collective -- many of whom have no idea of what military gameplay even is -- for the actions of a few.

Do all of the LKE's roleplaying citizens know of and support the atrocities that it's military leadership, namely the select few in charge, have furthered? Are they too not ignorant of some of these actions? Like it or not, as you said, the LKE's name was on those telegrams, and as such, it was brought up as a minor point within. I expected that particular point to be contentious, but felt it was too large of a blemish to leave entirely unmentioned.

Then condemn the "select few in charge" in their stead. You will earn yourself more badges per capita. And that, I feel, may be what a number of Security Council authors of Commendations and Condemnations strive for primarily.

The Silver Shroud has employed allies more versed in the matter (though not The Mistress of Mystery, this time) to proofread this proposal. If any illegalities have slipped four pairs of shaded eyes, then I shall be quite surprised.

It doesn't hurt to be sure, and in any case, it's a good idea to make the thread before submitting, but even if it is submitted, it is still not too bad an idea to make a thread anyway, so that it may be discussed.

For the proposer, who justified the necessity of condemn, I think this opinion behalf is much more affined on tne concept of Justice than yours. No matter "the reason why".

[Fat Fahy]

I shall reconsider my opposition.

Why? Take a position and stick by it.

I believe it is called convincing your opponent that your view is more appropriate. While this is certainly not always seen within our world, sometimes it happens.

[Wallenburg]

I shall reconsider my opposition.

Why? Take a position and stick by it.

I like how you are opposed to me even thinking about the resolution at vote and the background to it.

[The Silver Sentinel]

Why? Take a position and stick by it.

I like how you are opposed to me even thinking about the resolution at vote and the background to it.

I really could care less what you do. I was trying to help you save face, but have at it.

[Lady Selina Grey]

If I didn't object to the fact that this condemnation boils down to: "they're raiders and that's reason enough to condemn them" (In my experience the whole: "all raiders are vicious demons and all defenders are angels" reasoning is a great big pile of bovine Scatology)


I would vote against it because of:

OBJECTING to The LKE's policy of maintaining embassies with a number of dangerously hostile “invader” regions,

If having embassies with a raider region is a reason to condemn regions, the WASC has fallen to a depth I would not have expected back in 2009 when I claimed that "the Way of the Fenda is the only true path in Nationstates"

[Paffnia]

The opinion of the 10000 Islands is FOR this condemnation of a raider region that likes to pretend it's different than the rest, a proposition this resolution solidly disproves.

[The United States of Pranavium]

This resolution is truly poorly written and twists all the facts. Most likely written by an enemy of the LKE.