by New Vancouvia » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:15 pm
by Astrolinium » Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:38 pm
by New Vancouvia » Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:01 pm
Astrolinium wrote:Dr. Romero dusted off his jacket -- he'd been sitting for a while -- and coughed, standing up.
"The Sublime Island Kingdom would like to know whether there is any good-faith attempt being made to replace the resolution this one seeks to repeal."
by Astrolinium » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:47 am
by Imperium Anglorum » Sun Dec 20, 2015 8:36 am
by Outer Sparta » Sun Dec 20, 2015 10:57 am
by Equitia » Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:48 am
by Astrolinium » Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:07 pm
Equitia wrote:I find it extremely frustrating how we now seem to have reached a point where we really just go through legislation, nitpick and repeal it for the sake of having something to vote on. Repealing this legislation will do more harm than good. Vancouvia, would it not make more sense to instead propose a supplementary legislation expanding on this one, amending some of the issues, as opposed to repealing it altogether and putting the world at risk of containing countries with no real obligation to develop renewables?
by New Vancouvia » Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:12 pm
by Astrolinium » Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:45 pm
New Vancouvia wrote:Wasn't planning on making a replacement unless I saw that this had a fair chance of passing. I'm going to work on it today or tomorrow and then post it to the forum for draft review.
That said, the notion that you need international legislation for your country to support renewable energy is silly. Vancouvia is a region-leader in renewable energy and it has done this in the span of 15 years with no international help or guidance. This is an example of an issue that doesn't need legislation on it at all. A low priority. But since it is a priority to other people and it is a subject I enjoy, I will be doing what I said in the first paragraph.
by Khar Od » Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:45 pm
New Vancouvia wrote:Wasn't planning on making a replacement unless I saw that this had a fair chance of passing. I'm going to work on it today or tomorrow and then post it to the forum for draft review.
That said, the notion that you need international legislation for your country to support renewable energy is silly. Vancouvia is a region-leader in renewable energy and it has done this in the span of 15 years with no international help or guidance. This is an example of an issue that doesn't need legislation on it at all. A low priority. But since it is a priority to other people and it is a subject I enjoy, I will be doing what I said in the first paragraph.
by Novaya Leviathan » Sun Dec 20, 2015 1:33 pm
by Outer Sparta » Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:06 pm
Novaya Leviathan wrote:Outer Sparta wrote:We will still have widespread renewable energy even if this thing is repealed.
Delegate, that's not a guarantee. Climate change is affecting us in serious ways, and we must take initiative to mitigate its effects.
Unless an alternative initiative is already being discussed or drafted, *check his papers* ... and I don't see any right now, I see more negative consequences arising from the removal of this proposal than from its continuation. At least this a step in the right direction.
by The Eternal Kawaii » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:00 pm
by Wallenburg » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:59 pm
by Novaya Leviathan » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:36 pm
Wallenburg wrote:"While I unequivocally support domestic policy to encourage advancement toward a clean, well-protected environment, the target resolution clearly imposes unreasonable and unrealistic policy on member states. Most apparently, the flat five percent tax on expenditures related to the use of fossil fuels is arbitrary, narrow-minded, and illogical. I shall fully support this repeal, and oppose any replacement that mandates similarly ridiculous penalties upon the energy industry for simply using the resources available to supply vital utilities to member states and their peoples."
by Wallenburg » Sun Dec 20, 2015 10:26 pm
Novaya Leviathan wrote:Wallenburg wrote:"While I unequivocally support domestic policy to encourage advancement toward a clean, well-protected environment, the target resolution clearly imposes unreasonable and unrealistic policy on member states. Most apparently, the flat five percent tax on expenditures related to the use of fossil fuels is arbitrary, narrow-minded, and illogical. I shall fully support this repeal, and oppose any replacement that mandates similarly ridiculous penalties upon the energy industry for simply using the resources available to supply vital utilities to member states and their peoples."
*Points with his open hand and looks sternly at the Wallenburg delegate*
That is the exact reason I don't think repealing this resolution is a good idea. It's a blank check for nations with utter disregard of climate change, sustainable growth, the environment and the quality of life for future generations. It is frightening.
by Bears Armed » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:10 am
Astrolinium wrote:and Bears Armed hardly has a government to speak of."
by Excidium Planetis » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:26 am
Novaya Leviathan wrote:Wallenburg wrote:"While I unequivocally support domestic policy to encourage advancement toward a clean, well-protected environment, the target resolution clearly imposes unreasonable and unrealistic policy on member states. Most apparently, the flat five percent tax on expenditures related to the use of fossil fuels is arbitrary, narrow-minded, and illogical. I shall fully support this repeal, and oppose any replacement that mandates similarly ridiculous penalties upon the energy industry for simply using the resources available to supply vital utilities to member states and their peoples."
*Points with his open hand and looks sternly at the Wallenburg delegate*
That is the exact reason I don't think repealing this resolution is a good idea. It's a blank check for nations with utter disregard of climate change, sustainable growth, the environment and the quality of life for future generations. It is frightening.
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by Wrapper » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:31 am
Excidium Planetis wrote:"If nations are so short-sighted and stupid to completely ruin themselves in the absence of legislation, I say they should be allowed to destroy themselves. We don't need fools around."
by Excidium Planetis » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:43 am
Wrapper wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:"If nations are so short-sighted and stupid to completely ruin themselves in the absence of legislation, I say they should be allowed to destroy themselves. We don't need fools around."
And take the innocents along with them? Please, don't make us roll out a "think of the children" type of -- whoops, too late.
WA legislation such as this isn't to protect nations from self-destruction; it's to protect those who cannot protect themselves from such would-be self-destructive nations.
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Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
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by Astrolinium » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:16 am
Bears Armed wrote:Astrolinium wrote:and Bears Armed hardly has a government to speak of."
OOC: It has a bit more of a government than the game stats suggest, although admittedly that government has little authority over any matters that are constitutionally defined as being internal ones for the confederation's member clans (and other 'confederated bodys') to handle separately. Pollution that crosses the boundaries of clan's [etc] territories would fall within its jurisdiction, but specifying particular means of energy-generation wouldn't.
by Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:34 am
by Wrapper » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:40 am
Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana wrote:"The intentions of Vancouvia seem good, yet we still have one concern. Does nuclear energy count as renewable? Despite the illogical opposition of some luddite hippies, advanced thorium nuclear power plants which supply the majority of Transoxiana's electricity, do no harm to the environment if carefully regulated, and our planet needs them to take up the burden until sources like solar can be deployed in sufficient numbers. If you do not consider nuclear power as renewable, we shall vote AGAINST."
by Excidium Planetis » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:48 am
Wrapper wrote:Islamic Meritocratic Transoxiana wrote:"The intentions of Vancouvia seem good, yet we still have one concern. Does nuclear energy count as renewable? Despite the illogical opposition of some luddite hippies, advanced thorium nuclear power plants which supply the majority of Transoxiana's electricity, do no harm to the environment if carefully regulated, and our planet needs them to take up the burden until sources like solar can be deployed in sufficient numbers. If you do not consider nuclear power as renewable, we shall vote AGAINST."
Nuclear energy may be clean, but it is not a renewable source of energy. Uranium, thorium or other source materials can be depleted over long periods of time, much in the same way fossil fuels can.
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
News: AI wins Dawn Fleet election for High Counselor.
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