[PASSED] Liberate St Abbaddon

[Liberalpolitan]

Hello,

I would like to see your evidence to prove or validate your claim please? By whom is this region being take over and how can you prove to me that this is certainly the case? Maybe it is simply possible that the former members of the region have moved on making this new regime the rightful rulers?

I will for the time being not approve this motion until you can show me truly that this is the case. Prepare a list of facts regarding this matter and your evidence and I will reconsider my motion to suppress this.

[Wallenburg]

Hello,

I would like to see your evidence to prove or validate your claim please? By whom is this region being take over and how can you prove to me that this is certainly the case? Maybe it is simply possible that the former members of the region have moved on making this new regime the rightful rulers?

I will for the time being not approve this motion until you can show me truly that this is the case. Prepare a list of facts regarding this matter and your evidence and I will reconsider my motion to suppress this.

Look at the region page.

[Patrykstan]

I have decided that, based on the cultural significance of St. Abbaddon and the condemnation of DEN, this proposal is worth supporting. I only wonder, is there anybody who actually stands up to DEN in terms of a region?

[We Are Not the NSA]

This is what we call Diplomacy Theater. The act accomplishes absolutely nothing, but makes everyone feel like they're doing something

Really? Care to elaborate on this very interesting story you are telling?

Yeah! Down with the password!... Oh... There isn't one... Okay then.

Uh huh.... Who was it that was posting pictures of sad puppies and crying for native rights when we tried to liberate The Black Riders? Good to see the old moral compass is still functioning there.

That was actually supposed to be a joke but I phrased it poorly.

Hello,

I would like to see your evidence to prove or validate your claim please? By whom is this region being take over and how can you prove to me that this is certainly the case? Maybe it is simply possible that the former members of the region have moved on making this new regime the rightful rulers?

I will for the time being not approve this motion until you can show me truly that this is the case. Prepare a list of facts regarding this matter and your evidence and I will reconsider my motion to suppress this.

Le Sigh.

I have decided that, based on the cultural significance of St. Abbaddon and the condemnation of DEN, this proposal is worth supporting. I only wonder, is there anybody who actually stands up to DEN in terms of a region?

Lots. TITO, Lazarus, Spiritus, and several others actively combat raiders, although I don't recall any successful liberation of a DEN occupation in the past few months. Not to say the defenders have been lazy or anything, it just happens that they haven't had success against DEN. There was a liberation of a BR controlled region just last night.

[The Silver Sentinel]

Hello,

I would like to see your evidence to prove or validate your claim please? By whom is this region being take over and how can you prove to me that this is certainly the case? Maybe it is simply possible that the former members of the region have moved on making this new regime the rightful rulers?

I will for the time being not approve this motion until you can show me truly that this is the case. Prepare a list of facts regarding this matter and your evidence and I will reconsider my motion to suppress this.

What motion to suppress? The region is being raided by DEN. I would suggest you read up on how military gameplay works.

[Topid]

Man, like 2 years ago I was the WA delegate for St. Abbaddon. I'm glad to see the WA step up for such a good cause as freeing the region.

It is good to see you Andrew! I assumed you had CTEd while I was away, glad you've stuck around NS.

[Malisin]

Sad to see Hawkswind CTE.

[Topid]

Sad to see Hawkswind CTE.

Yes, it certainly was. I hope he gets curious and checks back later.

[Cormac Stark]

At the moment I'm the only non-invader WA other than Hawk in St Abby. So Lib or no Lib, no there would be no delegate of St Abby should I disappear. You are in the unfortunate position of beginning this debate about 8 days away from when the vote on this Liberation will begin, so we will be able to evaluate my recruitment success based on those 8 days. At the time of this posting there are 2 nations in "St Abby" (the back-up region I made) and no WAs. Lets see how I can do in 8 days, no?

You now have 29 nations, only one of which is WA. You will be wholly incapable of repelling tag raids once DEN leaves if the region remains password-free.

In a few months, it's going to be obvious how right I was about this and I'm going to enjoy it. You've done more damage than DEN to St Abbaddon.

[Topid]

At the moment I'm the only non-invader WA other than Hawk in St Abby. So Lib or no Lib, no there would be no delegate of St Abby should I disappear. You are in the unfortunate position of beginning this debate about 8 days away from when the vote on this Liberation will begin, so we will be able to evaluate my recruitment success based on those 8 days. At the time of this posting there are 2 nations in "St Abby" (the back-up region I made) and no WAs. Lets see how I can do in 8 days, no?

You now have 29 nations, only one of which is WA. You will be wholly incapable of repelling tag raids once DEN leaves if the region remains password-free.

In a few months, it's going to be obvious how right I was about this and I'm going to enjoy it. You've done more damage than DEN to St Abbaddon.

Thank you for letting me know you intend to raid the region again, this quote will come in handy later.

[Cormac Stark]

You now have 29 nations, only one of which is WA. You will be wholly incapable of repelling tag raids once DEN leaves if the region remains password-free.

In a few months, it's going to be obvious how right I was about this and I'm going to enjoy it. You've done more damage than DEN to St Abbaddon.

Thank you for letting me know you intend to raid the region again, this quote will come in handy later.

I sometimes wonder if you actually read my posts since this is the second time in this thread you've missed vital key words and made baseless accusations based on your apparent misreading of my posts. I said the region would be vulnerable to tag raids, and I rarely tag raid.

I'm not saying I'll never raid St Abbaddon again, but that was far from my point. My point is, and has been since page one of this thread, that you've opened St Abbaddon to an onslaught of endless tag raids for no reason other than your paternalistic defender mentality that you know what's best. You've done more damage to St Abbaddon than DEN was ever likely to do.

[Weed]

And then a few months down the road you intend to raid the region. I can read, thank you for sharing this info.

[Cormac Stark]

And then a few months down the road you intend to raid the region. I can read, thank you for sharing this info.

I didn't say or even imply that, so I have to question your assertion that you can read. I have no plans to raid St Abbaddon again; been there, done that, won't rule it out but also not terribly interested.

I note that you're continuing to pummel this straw man while ignoring my actual point, that you've made St Abbaddon permanently vulnerable to endless tag raids. I'll consider your evasive maneuvers to constitute concession of that point, if not acknowledgment that you knew this would be the outcome all along and didn't care.

[Bears Armed]

Better vulnerable to a series of tag raids than potentially locked-down permanently as one of a raiding group's trophies...

[Silver Shroud]

"Liberate St Abbaddon was passed 10,216 votes to 2,067."

[Cormac Stark]

"Liberate St Abbaddon was passed 10,216 votes to 2,067."

St Abbaddon, Antiquity-2015. Requiescat in pace.

[Topid]

Thanks for the support everyone. It means a lot that the vote margin was so large. After the recent developments in this thread we may be seeing each other soon.