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Anzinia
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Ex-Nation

Postby Anzinia » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:00 pm

Why condemn DEN, or raider regions in general? They wear these condemnations like medals.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:50 pm

The West Pacific has been very glad to support this well written repeal.
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Postby Ovybia » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:50 pm

I think this resolution is ridiculous. As it says it its opening:
Noting the acts of aggression committed by the DEN war machine against innocent regions and recognizing it as a threat,

So you admit it should be condemned? Why are you trying to repeal it? I don't think minor grammar problems should call for an entirely new condemn proposal.
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:21 pm

Ovybia wrote:I think this resolution is ridiculous. As it says it its opening:
Noting the acts of aggression committed by the DEN war machine against innocent regions and recognizing it as a threat,

So you admit it should be condemned? Why are you trying to repeal it? I don't think minor grammar problems should call for an entirely new condemn proposal.

They are not minor grammar problems. They are major, distracting errors both in grammar and simply telling the truth. The resolution is a mess and should be struck from the records.
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Postby TheGemini » Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:30 pm

I'm sorry but I think passing this repeal is a huge mistake and causes a huge security crisis..a global one.

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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:33 pm

TheGemini wrote:I'm sorry but I think passing this repeal is a huge mistake and causes a huge security crisis..a global one.

Please elaborate, since it really won't.
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:34 pm

TheGemini wrote:I'm sorry but I think passing this repeal is a huge mistake and causes a huge security crisis..a global one.

How so? Also remember that "global" is quite relative here, as we have member states from many different planets, galaxies, and even universes.
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Postby Wrapper » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:40 pm

Weest Korea wrote:I hope this doesn't get passed. DEN deserved their condemnation.

They deserve a condemnation that's done properly, with the correct facts, and no silly grammatical errors.

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Alpinovia
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Postby Alpinovia » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:37 pm

DEN is a horrible region, dedicated to ruining other, smaller, regions and should not have it condemnations repealed. And we are not the NSA, I suggest you take your pucker off DEN's butt.
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Postby Alpinovia » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:38 pm

TheGemini wrote:I'm sorry but I think passing this repeal is a huge mistake and causes a huge security crisis..a global one.

I second that.
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Postby Xoriet » Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:45 pm

Alpinovia wrote:
TheGemini wrote:I'm sorry but I think passing this repeal is a huge mistake and causes a huge security crisis..a global one.

I second that.

How? DEN is going to do what it does with or without the repeal. All you're doing with the repeal is taking away their shiny new badge. :p
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Postby Paffnia » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:33 pm

The opinion of the 10000 Islands is that the original is full of misrepresentations that over-inflate (and/or are plain wrong about) the "accomplishments" of DEN, the modern version of which does not share a lineage with the defeated former DEN. We are FOR this repeal, and I have voted accordingly.
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Postby Consular » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:01 pm

There is a very large bloc of nations who have no idea what the SC actually does I think.

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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:39 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
TheGemini wrote:I'm sorry but I think passing this repeal is a huge mistake and causes a huge security crisis..a global one.

How so? Also remember that "global" is quite relative here, as we have member states from many different planets, galaxies, and even universes.

Ughhhhh.... How many times does it need to be explained that gameplay =/= roleplay?

Consular wrote:There is a very large bloc of nations who have no idea what the SC actually does I think.

One has to remember The Black Riders pissed a lot of people off. It is a good thing that most of the major delegates who count are well versed in gameplay and can differentiate the difference.
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I second that too.

Postby Druznia » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:35 am

Alpinovia wrote:
TheGemini wrote:I'm sorry but I think passing this repeal is a huge mistake and causes a huge security crisis..a global one.

I second that.


Me too.

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Druznia
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YEAH!

Postby Druznia » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:37 am

Wrapper wrote:
Weest Korea wrote:I hope this doesn't get passed. DEN deserved their condemnation.

They deserve a condemnation that's done properly, with the correct facts, and no silly grammatical errors.


Of course. DEN is like the ISIS of NationStates. >:(

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Postby Flanderlion » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:00 am

Druznia wrote:
Wrapper wrote:They deserve a condemnation that's done properly, with the correct facts, and no silly grammatical errors.


Of course. DEN is like the ISIS of NationStates. >:(

So we should train them, and provide them weapons and equipment to raid?

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Edenwood
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Postby Edenwood » Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:52 am

Calling someone out on their grammar in a resolution in my opinion is quite unnecessary and unprofessional, that is something that should be done in private.

Using the term NationStates in a resolution as it is in Condemn Den is also quite unnecessary. Terms such as The World, World stage or/and World affairs would be much more appropriate in my view.

I am voting FOR your appeal not because of your appeal but because of the blantant and continual use of the term NationStates in the resolution with which you wish to repeal
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Philippedafos
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Postby Philippedafos » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:26 am

NO support!

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Postby Vancouvia » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:49 am

Edenwood wrote:Calling someone out on their grammer in a resolution in my opinion is quite unnecessary and unprofessional, that is something that should be done in private.

Using the term NationStates in a resolution as it is in Condemn Den is also quite unnecessary. Terms such as The World, World stage or/and World affairs would be much more appropriate in my view.

I am voting FOR your appeal not because of your appeal but because of the blantant and continual use of the term NationStates in the resolution with which you wish to repeal


I'm going to TG you that it's spelled "grammar"

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:44 pm

Acknowledging the destruction that the raiding region DEN has caused throughout the Multiverse, and applauding efforts to combat belligerent regions such as DEN, I support this well-written repeal. Its argument speaks for itself: the condemnation is sloppy, difficult to read, and oftentimes misrepresentative of the reality of DEN's actions. Furthermore, it stands as self-evident that raiding organizations such as DEN receive condemnations not as stains on their reputations but as signature badges of honor, hard-won prizes for their exceptional success in laying waste to innocent regions. For this reason, I encourage and advocate the repeal of this ridiculously asinine condemnation, and I shall oppose any effort to establish a new condemnation of DEN, on the grounds that it shall only strengthen this raiding organization's ranks and increase its power over the Multiverse.
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Postby Consular » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:37 pm

Vancouvia wrote:
Edenwood wrote:Calling someone out on their grammer in a resolution in my opinion is quite unnecessary and unprofessional, that is something that should be done in private.

Using the term NationStates in a resolution as it is in Condemn Den is also quite unnecessary. Terms such as The World, World stage or/and World affairs would be much more appropriate in my view.

I am voting FOR your appeal not because of your appeal but because of the blantant and continual use of the term NationStates in the resolution with which you wish to repeal


I'm going to TG you that it's spelled "grammar"

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All these people focusing on the grammar issues like it's the only argument the repeal has. :/

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Postby Maltropia » Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:50 pm

Edenwood wrote:Calling someone out on their grammer in a resolution in my opinion is quite unnecessary and unprofessional, that is something that should be done in private.

Including such poor grammar in a resolution is unnecessary and unprofessional, and calling someone out on it should be done publicly so that everyone knows not to commit such a heinous act in future.
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Postby Edenwood » Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:46 am

Maltropia wrote:Including such poor grammar in a resolution is unnecessary and unprofessional

A valid point all things considered.

Maltropia wrote: and calling someone out on it should be done publicly

not in a proper resolution they shouldn't. if you must resort to public shaming then do it during the drafting phase... i do not want to nor should i have to witness it...in the same way that i have no desire to see my favorite rock band call out their singer for forgetting lyrics i have no desire to see people called out on grammar(or similar) when i go to vote on something

Maltropia wrote: so that everyone knows not to commit such a heinous act in future.

Ummm... :rofl:
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:36 am

Edenwood wrote:
Maltropia wrote: and calling someone out on it should be done publicly

not in a proper resolution they shouldn't. if you must resort to public shaming then do it during the drafting phase... i do not want to nor should i have to witness it...in the same way that i have no desire to see my favorite rock band call out their singer for forgetting lyrics i have no desire to see people called out on grammar(or similar) when i go to vote on something

That's a false analogy. This repeal does not attack the author of the target resolution but rather the target resolution itself. A more accurate comparison would be someone writing a scathing review of this band's new album because one song is just the lead singer screaming into the mic, another features the unintended collapse of the drum kit in the middle of the drum solo, and another is sung entirely in backwards Swahili.

Nobody is being "called out" for grammar mistakes. The repeal does, however, note that the target clearly is written poorly and is a stain on the World Assembly records.
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