[DEFEATED] Condemn The Red Fleet

[Sedgistan]

Recognizing the numerous raids conducted by The Red Fleet against: capitalist, fascist, and imperialistic regions;

Further recognizing the countless regions held hostage, threatened, and destroyed due to their political stance, by The Red Fleet;

Noting that these regions were raided regardless of their activity or neutrality;

Further noting the blatant and inexcusable persecution and intolerance of capitalists, fascist, and imperialistic regions, at the hands of The Red Fleet;

Appalled that not only has the Security Council not condemned the region, but in fact commends them;

Believing that the actions conducted by The Red Fleet are motivated by prejudice and intolerance;

Convinced that The Red Fleet will only continue to cause more destruction and dismay to other innocent regions, unless action is taken;

Further believing it is The Security Councils duty to condemn a destructive, prejudice, and dictatorial region, to further preserve and protect the political rights of all nations and regions.

Hereby condemns The Red Fleet.

This was my recent proposal to condemn The Red Fleet, it recently got taken down.
I was hoping someone could point out the mistakes, or why it was taken down, and maybe how to correct it, as it is something I'd like to follow through with.
Thank you.
[Edited]

[We Are Not the NSA]

Recognizing the numerous raids conducted by The Red Fleet against: capitalist, fascist, and imperialistic regions;

Further recognizing the countless regions held hostage, and threatened with destruction due to their political stance;

Being held hostage and being threatened aren't really the same same thing imo.

Noting that these regions were raided regardless of their activity or neutrality;

Further noting the blatant and inexcusable persecution of innocent regions, at the hands of The Red Fleet;

Appalled that not only does the Security Council not condemn the region, but in fact commends them;

I would change "does" to "has", and change it to "but has in fact commended them".

Believing that the actions conducted by The Red Fleet cannot be explained as anything other than complete prejudice.

Changed up the wording.

Convinced that The Red Fleet will only cause more damage and suffering to other innocent regions, unless action is taken.

The only major violation I see is an R4: no operative clause. You could slap a "Hereby Condemns The Red Fleet" on the end and you'd be good to go. (although I suggest you continue drafting)

[Valvendia]

Recognizing the numerous raids conducted by The Red Fleet against: capitalist, fascist, and imperialistic regions;

Further recognizing the countless regions held hostage, and threatened with destruction due to their political stance;

Being held hostage and being threatened aren't really the same same thing imo.

Noting that these regions were raided regardless of their activity or neutrality;

Further noting the blatant and inexcusable persecution of innocent regions, at the hands of The Red Fleet;

Appalled that not only does the Security Council not condemn the region, but in fact commends them;

I would change "does" to "has", and change it to "but has in fact commended them".

Believing that the actions conducted by The Red Fleet cannot be explained as anything other than complete prejudice.

Changed up the wording.

Convinced that The Red Fleet will only cause more damage and suffering to other innocent regions, unless action is taken.

The only major violation I see is an R4: no operative clause. You could slap a "Hereby Condemns The Red Fleet" on the end and you'd be good to go. (although I suggest you continue drafting)

Thank you for the suggestions.

[Rodrenon]

Besides what has already been mentioned by We are not the NSA...

Recognizing the numerous raids conducted by The Red Fleet against: capitalist, fascist, and imperialistic regions;

Further recognizing the countless regions held hostage, threatened, and destroyed by The Red Fleet due to their political stance;

I just wonder, what exactly is the political stance the The Red Fleet takes?

Noting that these regions were raided regardless of their activity or neutrality;

Further noting the blatant and inexcusable persecution of innocent regions, at the hands of The Red Fleet;

Appalled that not only has the Security Council not condemned the region, but in fact commends them;

Believing that the actions conducted by The Red Fleet cannot be explained but by pure prejudice and intolerance;

Prejudice and intolerance are not the same thing. One means to assume characteristics without scrutiny and the other means (in its social context) to feel a necessity to respond against a person, thing, or trait. Also, this statement will be referring to those attempting to explain the region's actions, not the actions themselves. In other words, you're saying the only way to explain these actions are to do so with pure prejudice and intolerance to them. I don't believe that's what you're arguing. I think you meant to say, "Believing the only explanation to the conduct of The Red Fleet is that they do it out of prejudice and intolerance;

Convinced that The Red Fleet will only cause more damage and suffering to other innocent regions, unless action is taken;

...will only continue causing more damage...

Hereby condemns The Red Fleet.

This was my recent proposal to condemn The Red Fleet, it recently got taken down.
I was hoping someone could point out the mistakes, or why it was taken down, and maybe how to correct it, as it is something I'd like to follow through with.
Thank you.
[Edited]

Again, these are just my notes, at least grammatically speaking.

[The German Democratic Reich]

I support this condemnation, but it needs some grammical corrections.

[The Silver Sentinel]

I just wonder, what exactly is the political stance the The Red Fleet takes?

Stalinism.

[Misley]

I just wonder, what exactly is the political stance the The Red Fleet takes?

Stalinism.

Embarrassing yourself by confidently asserting incorrect information about TRF as usual, huh Chester?

The Red Fleet does not take a specific political stance. Our members are anarchists, communists, democratic socialists, and liberals. The Red Fleet opposes capitalism (but doesn't raid capitalist regions unless they are connected by treaty or embassy to REATO members) and fascism.

[The Patrimony of Saint Peter]

Support. Hope it passes. Looking good so far.

[Fangwall]

Honestly I fully support the stated goal of "The Red Fleet" I find fascism... distasteful, at best. And downright evil at worst. The destruction of the GGR, and other such regions I feel compelled to endorse wholeheartedly.

However I am aware they probably have hit innocents in the process, probably from overzealous "Guilt through association"

In this thread I see no examples given of raided neutral regions, while I have no reason to doubt they exist given what they have said, and their methods, I would love some examples here. It pleases me to see the red fleet is active in this thread, so perhaps we can also get their reasoning for said raids.

Politically my stance is too much communism is better than too much Fascism. Communism is a good idea that is impossible to pull off. Fascism, in my view, is broken from its core ideology. So I am under no obligation to Condemn based purely on the fact some of their members are communist. I will probably vote against, but I am considering simply abstaining from the vote entirely.

[Central Asian Republics]

So, instead of Repealing "Commend The Red Fleet" first. You're attempting to give them their badge of honour. Nice, giving them two badges to glorify themselves with, because that'll show 'em!

[Imperium Anglorum]

That is an impressive stomp on the part of the North Pacific and Europeia.

[Spagna]

I'm surprised people are this upset at an anti-fascist, anti-imperialist region, nevertheless it's good to see the resolution getting so much hate judging by its disapproval by vote. This'll certainly just be another resolution that fails due to it targeting a specific group that follows a specific ideology that many on this site subscribe to.

[Fangwall]

After looking at the sort of people voting FOR the condemnation, and noting that no examples of "Innocent" victims has been given, and due to looking through what history I can find on them, (I pretty much agree with their raids). I have chosen to vote AGAINST.

I feel wrong Condoning the actions of any Raider region. But in this case I feel it is still the right thing to do.

I am doing this on the assumption that the red fleet will continue its fight against far right groups, and will make every effort to only target those who deserve it.

[Dark Commander]

I will vote for this condemnation, simply because I know what the Fleet is truly like. However, any commendation or condemnation should have specific examples to even stand a chance at vote. There are plenty of examples of regions the fleet has wrongly invaded (I don't know them off the top of my head). I will freely admit that this resolution will stand no chance because it has no specific examples. If a resolution is based on ideology, it will not pass because enough people subscribe to that ideology.

[Phoenix Mountain]

I am amused at the vague accusations and the concept that being an anti-fascist army is attacking innocents, which puts "fascist regions are wholly innocent" as fact XD plus, The Red Fleet has been commended by the Security Council; clearly the majority of WA voters see TRF as a positive force, and it would appear to me that the anti-TRF voters are simply from fascist regions and upset at the success/popularity of TRF.

I await the failure of this proposal as one awaits the punchline to a joke. It's going to give me a satisfied laugh, and I'm not even part of TRF.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

The irony is strong with this resolution

[Valvendia]

Granted,

I myself am not fond of Fascism, but destroying regions who are not fascist, just for having an embassy with a fascist region is insane.
As for them attacking capitalist regions, I can understand because of their communist viewpoint, but the imperialist ones, make absolutely no since, seeing how imperialism is a communist goal
As for them not liking fascists, it makes sense, but doesn't at the same time...while fascists are radical nationalists, communists do the same thing and push their agenda (by force) on people, which I think is kind of hypocritical.
All in all, I think the raiding is unnecessary, and should be handled in a much more political manner, such as using the means of the WA, Security Council, etc.

[The German Democratic Reich]

This proposal was sent too early, mine should of gone first. You made a mistake.

[Havenburgh]

The red fleet are heroes
Just sayin

[The German Democratic Reich]

The red fleet are heroes
Just sayin

If you call imperialistic madmen dragging all of Nationstates into a war heroes...

[Narintia]

No thanks.

[Godless Munky]

Granted,

I myself am not fond of Fascism, but destroying regions who are not fascist, just for having an embassy with a fascist region is insane.
As for them attacking capitalist regions, I can understand because of their communist viewpoint, but the imperialist ones, make absolutely no since, seeing how imperialism is a communist goal
As for them not liking fascists, it makes sense, but doesn't at the same time...while fascists are radical nationalists, communists do the same thing and push their agenda (by force) on people, which I think is kind of hypocritical.
All in all, I think the raiding is unnecessary, and should be handled in a much more political manner, such as using the means of the WA, Security Council, etc.

I have no words

[The New Fandom Republic]

This proposal gives no examples of what it condemns the red fleet on. Also the darn thing is just vague in general. I am actually saddened by how this proposal is getting a 1000+ votes for it as a writer. This proposal is so bland that if it was supposed to be a snack you'd rather eat cardboard. This proposal is so vague that it might as well be blank. This proposal is so wrong that if it was a person in court the jury would reach the guilty verdict before even sitting down. This proposal is a travesty to writers everywhere and therefore I'm voting against it. Also another thing that I would like to mention is that this proposal seems like it was thrown together in 5 minutes. It looks like something that you put together on the day that it's due. OK, I'm going to stop before I get reported. XD

[Patrykstan]

As a peace-loving and highly capitalistic nation, Patrykstan will always vote against war and extremist economic controls. Thank you for the proposal

[The Democratic Empire of Dirt]

What I find annoying is that they invade perfectly normal regions that just happen to have embassies with fascist regions. Examples of non-fascist regions that they invaded are Duckland and the region of industious nations. Also they invadd the most accepting and politically tolerant fascist region in NationStates, the nazi german 3rd reich, which was not an invader region and never posed any threat to any region.

I believe that people should not have prejudice or intolerance against a nation or region in this game just because of their political views. I like all nations as long as they are nice and are not invaders(invaders tend to ruin the communities of regions, and have only ever benefited one region out of the thousands in NationStates, Bethel Park, by invading it).

I myself am a Democratic Socialist.

I accept all embassies even from invaders, because just because we are enemies doesn't mean we can't chat and be allies socially, in fact many invaders are also defenders, and many defenders are also invaders.

My message to [region]The Red Fleet[/ region]: People are different, that's how life is. You yourselves are similar to fascists, because you are intolerant of many people and try to force your views onto the whole of NationStates, and this affects the will and freedom of opinion, of some people. Don't be hypocrites. "A man who fight monsters must take care that he does not become a monster himself." The Red Fleet have unfortunatly became the monsters when they fought with, and tried to take away the rights of what they think are "monsters".

I therefore personally think that The Red Fleet should be commended for defending, and condemned for invading.