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by Araraukar » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:03 pm
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Imperium Anglorum » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:12 pm
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Btw, since mods apparently read this thread, shouldn't GESTAPO count as RL reference? And a fairly offensive one at that? Or would we allowed to be made a committee named Non-Aggressive Zealous Institution?
by Araraukar » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:23 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:That ruling would basically mean that the original resolution should be illegal.
And also that nothing could ever mention the committee again.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Imperium Anglorum » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:23 pm
by Araraukar » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:39 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:How are you going to get the original one removed? Secretariat action?
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Imperium Anglorum » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:55 pm
by Tinfect » Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:23 pm
Araraukar wrote:And also that nothing could ever mention the committee again.
Which would likely be for the best.
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by Muscalia » Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:10 pm
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: I'll have to check, but isn't it already illegal to deprive WA members citizens of citizenship without their having a replacement citizenship ready? Or am I thinking of real world laws again?
Wouldn't matter. If they are deprived of their citizenship, they in effect become refugee's and Refugee Protection would apply making this whole mess illegal for duplication.
by Araraukar » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:05 pm
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Mallorea and Riva » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:16 pm
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Btw, since mods apparently read this thread, shouldn't GESTAPO count as RL reference? And a fairly offensive one at that? Or would we allowed to be made a committee named Non-Aggressive Zealous Institution?
by Imperium Anglorum » Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:54 pm
Araraukar wrote:The only saving grace of your proposal on this issue (committee name) is that it doesn't use the shortening.
by Araraukar » Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:37 am
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Imperium Anglorum » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:10 am
by Imperium Anglorum » Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:48 pm
by Wrapper » Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:55 pm
by Imperium Anglorum » Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:21 pm
Wrapper wrote:You don't need clause 1 if every time you use the word "nation" you're already using the phrase "member nation". Other than that, it looks good to us, we'll support this.
by Separatist Peoples » Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:32 pm
by Mousebumples » Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:06 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Araraukar wrote:OOC: Btw, since mods apparently read this thread, shouldn't GESTAPO count as RL reference? And a fairly offensive one at that? Or would we allowed to be made a committee named Non-Aggressive Zealous Institution?
The Real World violation rule contemplates that players are referring to things or people that exist in the real world as they exist in the real world. As such, using GESTAPO as an acronym is not a violation. It doesn't cross the line in terms of offensiveness in my eyes either.
by Imperium Anglorum » Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:15 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Imperium Anglorum wrote:It's for all future resolutions.
"Member states are the only states resolutions can act upon. By the nature of the system, that is implied. Moreover, a phrase can be redefine with ease in another resolution, so it makes little difference to attempt to define it in perpetuity."
Mousebumples wrote:Mallorea and Riva wrote:The Real World violation rule contemplates that players are referring to things or people that exist in the real world as they exist in the real world. As such, using GESTAPO as an acronym is not a violation. It doesn't cross the line in terms of offensiveness in my eyes either.
Agreed. I would recommend against using the acronym in your proposal (or any proposal), if only because I think you'll have people voting against on those grounds. However, the committee itself (or its name) are not a rule violation, in my view.
by Imperium Anglorum » Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:29 am
by Wallenburg » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:37 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Defines 'nation' as World Assembly member nations to clear up some annoying confusion;
by The Silver Sentinel » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:55 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Mallorea and Riva wrote:This should be an interesting legality dispute. Of course it could be very easily circumvented simply by removing the clause entirely. There isn't anything in the rules which specifically says that individuals can't be impacted by resolutions directly, though I'm open to anyone throwing some precedent my way before any decision is made.
IA is the clause even necessary? Why do they need WA passports if they can't be made stateless to begin with?
"Nonmembers can still create stateless individuals, and states Balkanizing would have that effect."
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:32 am
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:"Nonmembers can still create stateless individuals, and states Balkanizing would have that effect."
So citizens in non-member states that have been made stateless by those non-members automatically have WA issued passports issued to them? If that is the intention, I would argue this is illegal as it is indirectly legislating upon non-members.
by The Silver Sentinel » Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:00 am
by Wrapper » Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:18 am
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:"Member states are the only states resolutions can act upon. By the nature of the system, that is implied. Moreover, a phrase can be redefine with ease in another resolution, so it makes little difference to attempt to define it in perpetuity."
This legislates out the 'nations' -> metagaming.
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