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[PASSED] To Prevent Dangerous Debris

Postby The Defwaen Confederation » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:15 pm

Hey everybody. Just visiting. Was encouraged to repost this. Added some sarcasm and punctuation. Instead of debating anything, I'd rather use this thread to catch up with old friends.

Environmental/Manufacturing

SEEKING to reestablish protected access to space for all nations,

DISTRESSED by the rapidly increasing accumulation of frivolous repeals,

RECOGNIZING that prolonged accumulation of debris in orbit can impede space travel and orbital operations,

AWARE that one resolution cannot sufficiently legislate on all topics related to debris in space and choosing to address one aspect well,

DEFINES debris as debris to quiet some illogical complaints,

CONSIDERS an object to be in orbit if it circles a celestial body without propulsion and outside assistance (excepting gravity) at least once,

INSTRUCTS member nations to have systems in place to certify the compliance of objects planned to be launched into orbit with the guidelines of this resolution,

REQUIRES member nations to take all action necessary to prevent the launch of objects from their territory into orbit that have not been certified as compliant with this resolution, allowing exceptions only when loss of life would occur as a result of such actions,

In order to reduce the quantity of potentially harmful debris in orbit, all objects launched into space must have the following abilities and are required to take the following actions:

A- To Deorbit in one of the following fashions prior to becoming nonfunctional:
1- Complete deterioration into non damaging remains during descent and prior to collision,
2- Landing or collision in international waters, unclaimed undeveloped territory, or the territory of nations that consent to the collision or landing,
3- Entering into a junk orbit assigned by WASP,
4- Any method that removes the object from the vicinity of the body it previously orbited without harming other artificial objects in orbit,

B- To Maneuver in order to avoid other objects in orbit to prevent damage of property,

STATES that WASP will take into account the desires and needs of the relevant nations when assigning a junk orbit and will not contradict orbital classifications around a celestial body created by any entity representing, with consent of the governed, all nations on that body,

CLARIFIES that this resolution will not impede or restrict the rights of nations to do battle in space so long as all damage done is part of a declared act of war against the owner of the object, the nation the object was launched from, or if the object services or benefits the enemy.
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Postby Wrapper » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:44 pm

OOC: Who the fuck let your sorry ass back in? :p

IC: Ambassador Landfree! So nice to see you! If only briefly, then, pity. Ah, still trying to keep space safe, I see. Hmmm, yes, yes, yes, yes, eh, a quick read-through yields nothing objectionable, save perhaps your definition of debris, but, eh, we offer our support anyway. Good luck!
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Postby The Defwaen Confederation » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:57 pm

Wrapper wrote:OOC: Who the fuck let your sorry ass back in? :p

IC: Ambassador Landfree! So nice to see you! If only briefly, then, pity. Ah, still trying to keep space safe, I see. Hmmm, yes, yes, yes, yes, eh, a quick read-through yields nothing objectionable, save perhaps your definition of debris, but, eh, we offer our support anyway. Good luck!

What constituted debris was too difficult for some people, even though the term wasn't relevant to any active clause, so I wanted to give token recognition

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:15 pm

"Very nice indeed to see your delegation back in here. We've had very little news of the Confederation; is your government able to reestablish WA ties going forward, or are things still too chaotic on the home front?"
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Postby The Defwaen Confederation » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:24 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:"Very nice indeed to see your delegation back in here. We've had very little news of the Confederation; is your government able to reestablish WA ties going forward, or are things still too chaotic on the home front?"

OOC: I've decided we're in the middle of a power struggle orchestrated by the french. This is a non canon visit.

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:50 pm

I have to say that this proposal seems the most sane of the ones currently submitted. And I'll also add my voice to those who welcome even a brief visit from you. Some had already claimed your whole nation had vanished into some wormhole and ceased to exist!
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:07 pm

"I refuse to approve this, in protest of there being no drafting phase, but I shall support it if it goes to general Vote."
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Postby Wrapper » Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:32 pm

Wallenburg wrote:"I refuse to approve this, in protest of there being no drafting phase, but I shall support it if it goes to general Vote."

There was a drafting phase the first time around (the "Debris Prevention" part).

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:37 pm

Wrapper wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"I refuse to approve this, in protest of there being no drafting phase, but I shall support it if it goes to general Vote."

There was a drafting phase the first time around (the "Debris Prevention" part).

"Well then, I was not aware of that. This proposal has my approval."
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Postby Cheyenne and Arapaho Systems » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:26 am

"This proposal has our full support. Though we claim three solar systems, most of our population is not interested in a life in space. What precious few do volunteer would be hard pressed to keep our orbits clear without guidance from the World Assembly. If this makes it to vote, the Cheyenne will support it."
The Cheyenne and Arapaho Systems are comprised of two habitable and one non-habitable solar systems that are home to 9 billion citizens, despite what the World Assembly reports.

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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:29 am

As a spacefaring nationstate, the United Colonies of Earth approves.
The United Colonies of Earth exists:
to encourage settlement of all habitable worlds in the Galaxy and perhaps the Universe by the human race;
to ensure that human rights are respected, with force if necessary, and that all nations recognize the inevitable and unalienable rights of all human beings regardless of their individual and harmless differences, or Idiosyncrasies;
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to protect all humanity and its’ colonies from unneeded violence or danger;
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and to facilitate cooperation in the spheres of law, transportation, communication, and measurement between nation-states.

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Postby Wrapper » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:30 am

Cheyenne and Arapaho Systems wrote:"This proposal has our full support. Though we claim three solar systems, most of our population is not interested in a life in space. What precious few do volunteer would be hard pressed to keep our orbits clear without guidance from the World Assembly. If this makes it to vote, the Cheyenne will support it."

OOC: Wait, Native Americans... in space? Wow, that's awesome!

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Postby Tinfect » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:33 am

Wrapper wrote:
Cheyenne and Arapaho Systems wrote:"This proposal has our full support. Though we claim three solar systems, most of our population is not interested in a life in space. What precious few do volunteer would be hard pressed to keep our orbits clear without guidance from the World Assembly. If this makes it to vote, the Cheyenne will support it."

OOC: Wait, Native Americans... in space? Wow, that's awesome!


OOC: As an actual Native American, yes, it is, and I wish I'd thought of it.
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Postby Cheyenne and Arapaho Systems » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:38 am

Tinfect wrote:
Wrapper wrote:OOC: Wait, Native Americans... in space? Wow, that's awesome!


OOC: As an actual Native American, yes, it is, and I wish I'd thought of it.

OOC: just as creative as anthromorphic cars or bubblegum currency. :)
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Postby Wrapper » Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:56 am

Quorum has been reached, voting begins in an hour. We shall vote for, of course. Anything to beautify the environment of space.

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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:34 am

Wrapper wrote:
Cheyenne and Arapaho Systems wrote:"This proposal has our full support. Though we claim three solar systems, most of our population is not interested in a life in space. What precious few do volunteer would be hard pressed to keep our orbits clear without guidance from the World Assembly. If this makes it to vote, the Cheyenne will support it."

OOC: Wait, Native Americans... in space? Wow, that's awesome!

They already had cowboys in space...it makes sense that the Indians would logically follow.
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Postby Eeion » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:02 pm

This resolution has the potential to halt all space travel immediately, as the "launch of objects into orbit" is ill defined and could mean anything onboard a space vehicle too.
This means that all individual components that might become separated from the main vehicle during its operation either intentionally or unintentionally, would have to deorbit automatically. Including heat shield components, tools, bolts and nuts.
Guaranteeing this is outside of the realm of being physically possible, so space flight - especially human spaceflight - would become illegal. >:(

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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:06 pm

With all the new space junk recently created by the Death Star (and that imbecile who hijacked it), there's no good reason not to support this. The Federal Republic rises in favor of this resolution. ~Capt. Jenny Chiang
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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:07 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:With all the new space junk recently created by the Death Star (and that imbecile who hijacked it), there's no good reason not to support this. The Federal Republic rises in favor of this resolution. ~Capt. Jenny Chiang

Weren't the WSA offices ground based facilities?

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Postby Wrapper » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:17 pm

Eeion wrote:This resolution has the potential to halt all space travel immediately, as the "launch of objects into orbit" is ill defined and could mean anything onboard a space vehicle too.
This means that all individual components that might become separated from the main vehicle during its operation either intentionally or unintentionally, would have to deorbit automatically. Including heat shield components, tools, bolts and nuts.
Guaranteeing this is outside of the realm of being physically possible, so space flight - especially human spaceflight - would become illegal. >:(

The contention that spaceflight would become illegal is absurd. Flights that do not go into orbit aren't even covered under this resolution; those that do, should be of sufficient integrity, or be repairable, so that they do not shed components during orbit.
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Postby Eeion » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:34 pm

Wrapper wrote:The contention that spaceflight would become illegal is absurd. Flights that do not go into orbit aren't even covered under this resolution; those that do, should be of sufficient integrity, or be repairable, so that they do not shed components during orbit.

Shirley, you cannot be Sirius.
Space vehicles routinely shed things when they're in orbit. Multi stage vehicles for trans-planetary journeys HAVE TO do it.
And I was talking about LITERALLY EVERYTHING ON A SPACESHIP.
The current resolution requires ALL OBJECTS that are put into orbit to have a reentry-mechanism.
It doesn't make any distinction between objects that are intended to remain attached to a vehicle and other objects.
A significant part of space junk in the best orbits comes from tools and components that astronauts accidentally lost during EVA.

THIS is why I'm panicing
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Postby Wrapper » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:50 pm

Eeion wrote:I mean wtf. Space vehicles routinely shed things when they're in orbit.

If you're talking about something that's small, it's going to descend into a junk orbit, which is covered in section A3.

Multi stage vehicles for trans-planetary journeys HAVE TO do it.

Rocket stages for the most part don't enter a complete orbit. Those that do tend to burn up on reentry anyway (covered under section A1), or have planned trajectories that enable them to be recovered for reuse (covered under section A2).

And I was talking about LITERALLY EVERYTHING ON A SPACESHIP.

Well, perhaps on your planet, but on my planet, it's undesirable for, as an example, the commander to become debris, and we would certainly take all necessary steps to prevent that from happening.

The current resolution requires ALL OBJECTS that are put into orbit to have a reentry-mechanism.

No it doesn't. Read it again.

It doesn't make any distinction between objects that are intended to remain attached to a vehicle and other objects.

Indeed it should not. Debris is debris, and it all should be prevented.

A signifocant part of space junk in the best orbits comes from tools and components that astronauts accidentally lost during EVA.

Again, these tend to be small and will descend into a junk orbit, section A3. Anything larger could be recovered, which is covered under section A4.

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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:54 pm

The Silver Sentinel wrote:
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:With all the new space junk recently created by the Death Star (and that imbecile who hijacked it), there's no good reason not to support this. The Federal Republic rises in favor of this resolution. ~Capt. Jenny Chiang

Weren't the WSA offices ground based facilities?

They also had a fleet.

edit: and you can't use the Death Star to blow up ground-based facilities...you'd just wind up destroying the whole planet!
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:02 pm

Eeion wrote:
Wrapper wrote:The contention that spaceflight would become illegal is absurd. Flights that do not go into orbit aren't even covered under this resolution; those that do, should be of sufficient integrity, or be repairable, so that they do not shed components during orbit.

Shirley, you cannot be Sirius.
Space vehicles routinely shed things when they're in orbit. Multi stage vehicles for trans-planetary journeys HAVE TO do it.
And I was talking about LITERALLY EVERYTHING ON A SPACESHIP.
The current resolution requires ALL OBJECTS that are put into orbit to have a reentry-mechanism.
It doesn't make any distinction between objects that are intended to remain attached to a vehicle and other objects.
A significant part of space junk in the best orbits comes from tools and components that astronauts accidentally lost during EVA.

THIS is why I'm panicing


"Well... such things are compliant at first (as their means of compliance is to remain with a self-sufficiently compliant object). The trick is then to ensure they don't wander off and become noncompliant. Magnetizing all such small bolts and whatnot, and mandating the tethering of tools, should fix that problem. Perhaps a nation can develop a lightweight 3-sided "repair cage" of plastic wrap, and deploy it behind the EV astronaut as she carries out her repairs. Things like paint chips are more or less unavoidable (and also the most easily dealt with by lasers, eventually). And then it's really not (or shouldn't be) too much to ask that nations not leave their spent rocket stages and defunct satellites sitting in what amounts to the middle of the street."

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:04 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Weren't the WSA offices ground based facilities?

They also had a fleet.

It was quite the spectacular show watching the debris reenter.

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