[DEFEATED] Condemn Kknight

[Mallorea and Riva]

Condemn Kknight

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: Kknight | Proposed by: Amir Mercado

Description: The Security Council,

Observing Kknight's present tenure as General of DEN, currently the largest invader organization on NationStates. Following the disbandment of The Black Riders, Kknight, along with old raiders including A Million Voices and Scooby-Doo, assisted in the rebuilding of DEN and the overseeing of countless operations such as persistent "tag-raiding" and the occupations of Paradoxia, Power is RIsing, and Japan;

Recalling Kknight's 16 month service as Chief of the General Staff of The Black Riders, a region previously condemned by the esteemed Security Council for popularizing a form of raiding known as "tagging" and for executing heinous invasions, occupations, and/or refounds on innocent regions including Ixnay, Planet X, The Silver Isles, The Mountains to the East, and Atheist Empire;

Recognizing Kknight's contribution to the proliferation of "tag-raiding" as it is today, including record-breaking update raids which have been forever immortalized in the Codex Incursus to be seen as a source of inspiration and propaganda for later generations of raiders;

Noting Kknight's involvement in many invader organizations, present and past, including The Imperial Legion of Unknown and the various historical incarnations of DEN;

Believing that the actions of Kknight have promoted the invader cause far more than most can dream and have proven extremely detrimental to the overall stability of NationStates;

Hereby condemns Kknight.

An extremely rough draft of course, but I'm looking for constructive criticism and more details, including other various "accomplishments". I've done my research but I think that I'm still missing a couple chunks in this nation's history.

- AM

EDITS:
- Fixed grammatical errors
- Fixed spelling error
- Added more raiding achievements/impacts
- Grammar, more relevant posted

[Kaboomlandia]

I tried the same thing six months ago, it never went anywhere. This won't either.

[Stalker Queen]

An extremely rough draft of course, but I'm looking for constructive criticism and more details, including other various "accomplishments". I've done my research but I think that I'm still missing a couple chunks in this nation's history.

You're missing over a decade of his history. Said history of his stretches back to 2003. He's tried basically everything there is to try in Gameplay, including defending, and he's done far more than just raiding alone, and far more in raiding than his tenures in The Black Riders and DEN. I won't disclose what little I know of his history here without his express permission, but you've just taken the past two or so years and written it like that's everything KKnight's got to offer, and ever had to offer, without looking at the bigger picture, or even taking but a glimpse at his past which, I can assure you, will be more condemn-worthy than just two years of work that you've just recorded. Not to mention, raiders consider condemnation badges an honour, indicating their prowess and experience.

I'd suggest you speak with anyone who knows about KKnight's history before what you've written currently and into the past decade, or even KKnight himself, if you're especially determined to get this condemnation to pass, or even into quorum. But let me start by telling you to be careful where you poke your nose into. Not all questions are wanted, and not all answers are given. Not everyone will tell everyone else everything, and there are reasons for that.

[We Are Not The ATF]

I tried the same thing six months ago, it never went anywhere. This won't either.

To be fair the progression of yours was:
Condemn Cemetery Sentinel --> Condemn Wulfenite --> Condemn Kknight without changing much of the proposal --> Condemn Kknight with minor changes --> Resgnation.

Observing Kknight's present tenure as General of DEN, currently the largest invader organization on NationStates. Following the disbandment of The Black Riders, Kknight, along with old raiders including A Million Voices and Scooby-Doo, assisted in the rebuilding of DEN and the overseeing of countless operations such as persistent "tag-raiding" and the occupations of Paradoxia, Power is RIsing, and Japan;

No mention of Gest? Or me?

Further recognizing Kknight's contribution to the proliferation of "tag-raiding" as it is today, personally setting new raiding records such as in Operation Cancer Slayer, where Kknight led a TBR team to raid 63 regions in one update;

Okay, hear me out here: I don't think operation Cancer Slayer, an op dedicated to another player who was battling cancer, is the best example of the worst side of tag raiding. TBH, it was one of the least evil in my opinion.

[Cora II]

Full support. But not very good paper.

"...have proven extremely detrimental to the overall stability of NationStates", and that's the best sentence of whole draft.

The last TBR Chief's earlier efforts in the art of Tag raids paved the road for later Bob's Black Rider sub-generation and the Incursus itself (in which he took part actively himself), which is the deed commendworthy alone.

[Amir Mercado]

An extremely rough draft of course, but I'm looking for constructive criticism and more details, including other various "accomplishments". I've done my research but I think that I'm still missing a couple chunks in this nation's history.

You're missing over a decade of his history. Said history of his stretches back to 2003. He's tried basically everything there is to try in Gameplay, including defending, and he's done far more than just raiding alone, and far more in raiding than his tenures in The Black Riders and DEN. I won't disclose what little I know of his history here without his express permission, but you've just taken the past two or so years and written it like that's everything KKnight's got to offer, and ever had to offer, without looking at the bigger picture, or even taking but a glimpse at his past which, I can assure you, will be more condemn-worthy than just two years of work that you've just recorded. Not to mention, raiders consider condemnation badges an honour, indicating their prowess and experience.

While I am well aware of bits of his wider NationStates history, I added relevant, condemnation-worthy information and I'm looking for relevant, condemnation-worthy information to add. Given that this resolution is written to denounce his raiding achievements and the impact such actions have had on the rest of the NationStates community, I see no reason to add material such as "Noting Kknight's regional government involvement, such as that of in Unknown." Furthermore, such a condemnation proposal is not supposed to be, correct me if I'm wrong, a complete résumé listing all of the player's in-game achievements one-by-one. You're right about the raiding part however: I've completely left out his involvement with the Imperial Legion of Unknown years back.

Observing Kknight's present tenure as General of DEN, currently the largest invader organization on NationStates. Following the disbandment of The Black Riders, Kknight, along with old raiders including A Million Voices and Scooby-Doo, assisted in the rebuilding of DEN and the overseeing of countless operations such as persistent "tag-raiding" and the occupations of Paradoxia, Power is RIsing, and Japan;

No mention of Gest? Or me?

I was noting the involvement of retired TBR members returning to help in the rebuilding of DEN.

Further recognizing Kknight's contribution to the proliferation of "tag-raiding" as it is today, personally setting new raiding records such as in Operation Cancer Slayer, where Kknight led a TBR team to raid 63 regions in one update;

Okay, hear me out here: I don't think operation Cancer Slayer, an op dedicated to another player who was battling cancer, is the best example of the worst side of tag raiding. TBH, it was one of the least evil in my opinion.

I'm actually not recognizing the "worst side of tag raiding" in that clause. The mentioning of that operation was more along the lines of recognizing the culmination of years of Kknight's contribution to the expansion and diffusion of tagging.

The last TBR Chief's earlier efforts in the art of Tag raids paved the road for later Bob's Black Rider sub-generation and the Incursus itself (in which he took part actively himself)

The aspect on tagging was addressed in the response to the previous quote. And very good, the maintenance of old TBR raiding records is definitely noteworthy along the lines of advancing raider propaganda.

[Cora II]

I'm actually not recognizing the "worst side of tag raiding" in that clause. The mentioning of that operation was more along the lines of recognizing the culmination of years of Kknight's contribution to the expansion and diffusion of tagging.

The last TBR Chief's earlier efforts in the art of Tag raids paved the road for later Bob's Black Rider sub-generation and the Incursus itself (in which he took part actively himself)

The aspect on tagging was addressed in the response to the previous quote. And very good, the maintenance of old TBR raiding records is definitely something along the lines of advancing raider propaganda.

It was Feuer who kept a book of records, but Kknights practical example i.e. excellent results in practical raiding were an example and a source of inspiration for riders during mid-late Second Era.

What comes to Chief's other doings during his TBR career, were then considered as Classified information.

[Vancouvia]

"Despite being the most elite member of the GA elite, the man with the gun to my back refuses to tell me which way to vote on this should it go to vote. He also keeps pouring spaghetti on my head and there's nothing I can do about it."

[Luxdonia]

"Oh for crying out loud!", exclaims Her Excellency, Lucy Bridge, Luxdonian Envoy to the World Assembly, "do these natives realise that raiders treat Security Council condemnations as a a badgeof honour? The Kingdom of Luxdonia will not pledge it's support to this proposal".

[Amir Mercado]

Submitted after final revision.

- AM

[We Are Not The ATF]

Power is RIsing

Might want to fix that. In addition, Power is Rising wasn't as much of a bad operation, since the natives had been allies and actually helped us in some cases.

Otherwise, whatever, support.

[Amir Mercado]

Power is RIsing

Might want to fix that. In addition, Power is Rising wasn't as much of a bad operation, since the natives had been allies and actually helped us in some cases.

Otherwise, whatever, support.

It was fixed upon submission, but thank you for noticing.

[Harenhime]

Skimpy. Poor examples in occupations under DEN note - not even close to his best or most involved work, not even sure if he was involved in any of those on a directing level period, should reach back to the old DEN. Week old author with seven total posts, who presumably founded the region linked in his sig at about the same time, and perhaps even falsified the item containing a date before his founding (not refounding).

Will not approve.

[Vancouvia]

"The man with a gun to my back has forced me to vote against this proposal. Despite the irony of my situation, he has said that he does not support any proposal that is submitted through a proxy."

[The NationStates Proletariat]

As the founder of their latest target, the Union of Proletarian States, I support this. Their forces have been ejected selectively and they are not welcome in our lands.

[Amir Mercado]

It is indeed lacking and I would welcome any and all contributions on his time in TBR and the old DEN(s).

It's unfortunate how little feedback proposals get nowadays. No wonder the Security Council is dead.

[We Are Not The ATF]

It is indeed lacking and I would welcome any and all contributions on his time in TBR and the old DEN(s).

It's unfortunate how little feedback proposals get nowadays. No wonder the Security Council is dead.

I'll be honest, after 5 days of not posting, I thought you were giving up.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

As the founder of their latest target, the Union of Proletarian States, I support this. Their forces have been ejected selectively and they are not welcome in our lands.

Irrelevant, Kknight had absolutely nothing at all to do with that raid. If you want to condemn DEN, go do that.

It is indeed lacking and I would welcome any and all contributions on his time in TBR and the old DEN(s).

It's unfortunate how little feedback proposals get nowadays. No wonder the Security Council is dead.

Then why'd you post it, rather than perhaps telegramming some folks or asking around in the NS History thread, and actually building it up first? You can't really sit here and expect people to come to you, tell you everything about a person, and the resolution to write itself. A little footwork can go a long way.

[Amir Mercado]

Then why'd you post it, rather than perhaps telegramming some folks or asking around in the NS History thread, and actually building it up first? You can't really sit here and expect people to come to you, tell you everything about a person, and the resolution to write itself. A little footwork can go a long way.

You're assuming that I haven't done research to the best of my abilities already. If I recall correctly, these boards were transferred from Jolt a mere four years ago, but is that time period enough to tell the whole story? You sound like you've got a lot to say, so why not assist beginning writers with such?

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

You're assuming that I haven't done research to the best of my abilities already. If I recall correctly, these boards were transferred from Jolt a mere four years ago, but is that time period enough to tell the whole story? You sound like you've got a lot to say, so why not assist beginning writers with such?

Looking around the forums is not the extent of research. As I just stated, you could TG some folks (perhaps some of the other DEN oldies, like Naginii, who posts here occasion, or some of the other Ile de France folks), or ask in the NS history thread (the thread specifically for getting answers about long-gone NS events, where people contribute from a mixture of memory and older offsite forum records).

Me? I know little about Knight's past myself. But I'm not the one attempting to write a passable resolution on him. And we all know you're no beginning writer. Beginners wouldn't be spouting information about the old Jolt forums.

[Marselesk]

I don't see why it's necessary to create a series of puppets for a series of proposals which are half-baked to the point of insult.

[The Silver Sentinel]

Recalling Kknight's 16 month service as Chief of the General Staff of The Black Riders, a region previously condemned by the esteemed Security Council for popularizing a form of raiding known as "tagging" and for executing heinous invasions, occupations, and/or refounds on innocent regions including Ixnay, Planet X, The Silver Isles, The Mountains to the East, and Atheist Empire;

Yeah, no.. If that wasn't enough for people to support a liberation, it sure as hell isn't enough for a condemnation. I recommend talking to Nephy and Gradea. The former because he actually has knowledge of these players and the latter because he thinks he knows about these players.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Recalling Kknight's 16 month service as Chief of the General Staff of The Black Riders, a region previously condemned by the esteemed Security Council for popularizing a form of raiding known as "tagging" and for executing heinous invasions, occupations, and/or refounds on innocent regions including Ixnay, Planet X, The Silver Isles, The Mountains to the East, and Atheist Empire;

Yeah, no.. If that wasn't enough for people to support a liberation, it sure as hell isn't enough for a condemnation. I recommend talking to Nephy and Gradea. The former because he actually has knowledge of these players and the latter because he thinks he knows about these players.

Well, first of all, Condemning Kknight and Liberating TBR have completely different effects and implications, and can hardly be compared to each other in scope. Liberating TBR would have established a precedent of the SC being used as a weapon, which would dramatically effect its purpose in the game, affecting a large number of players throughout the game. Condemning Kknight will... yeah, that's about all it will do. Condemn Kknight.

No offense to Neph, but what on Earth does he know about Kknight that isn't accessible through older players who have had personal relationships with him? I hardly think he can be considered an expert on Raider history (not to say he doesn't know anything about it).

And what's with randomly insulting Gradea? That was completely uncalled for.

[Socialist Republic of the French People]

Yeah, no.. If that wasn't enough for people to support a liberation, it sure as hell isn't enough for a condemnation. I recommend talking to Nephy and Gradea. The former because he actually has knowledge of these players and the latter because he thinks he knows about these players.

Well, first of all, Condemning Kknight and Liberating TBR have completely different effects and implications, and can hardly be compared to each other in scope. Liberating TBR would have established a precedent of the SC being used as a weapon, which would dramatically effect its purpose in the game, affecting a large number of players throughout the game. Condemning Kknight will... yeah, that's about all it will do. Condemn Kknight.

No offense to Neph, but what on Earth does he know about Kknight that isn't accessible through older players who have had personal relationships with him? I hardly think he can be considered an expert on Raider history (not to say he doesn't know anything about it).

And what's with randomly insulting Gradea? That was completely uncalled for.

How would Liberating TBR turn the SC into a weapon? I may not understand the context of the issue so that's why I'm asking.

[The Silver Sentinel]

And what's with randomly insulting Gradea? That was completely uncalled for.

I think Gradea is still sour that when he tried to join raiderdom back when TBR was around, he was rejected.

Any good enemy of DEN needs to know what his enemies are doing.

I have my sources.

It wasn't an insult, I was just repeating what Gradea told everyone else.

How would Liberating TBR turn the SC into a weapon? I may not understand the context of the issue so that's why I'm asking.

It won't.