[DEFEATED] Liberate The Black Riders

[Sedgistan]

The Security Council,

Recognizing that certain activities within the world can be detrimental to the international community as a whole and should be perceived with antipathy,

Acknowledging the typical use of liberation proposals, which usually are implemented to free a native community from an unwarranted password imposed by a Delegate with aspirations of tyrannical oppression and obliteration of said community,

Firmly believing that while the international community has long held that liberation proposals should only be used to free besieged communities, also believing that when used under certain extraordinary circumstances as a weapon the benefits far outweigh the consequences,

Imploring the international community to band together and take the steps necessary in hindering extremely violent and destructive ideologies such as raiding undertaken by organizations such as The Black Riders and DEN,

Frightened that such a stronghold dedicated to abhorrence and destruction could, can and has corrupted entire communities to follow the atrocious examples set by The Black Riders and their successor organization DEN,

Observing no existence of a substantial regional community within The Black Riders, as most if not all abandoned the region when it was initially conquered by a multiregional taskforce led by United German Regions, thus abandoning any claims that regional community may have once had to The Black Riders,

Asking the members of the international community to recall and always remember the atrocious acts undertaken by The Black Riders in once flourishing native communities such as Hippiedom, The Silver Isles, Planet X, and The Mountains to The East which they so casually destroyed as a matter of course,

Dedicated to the belief that The Black Riders should not be refounded as a trophy or a shrine to the despicable ideology of destructive raiding,

Mercifully believing that should The Black Riders and their successor organization DEN return the regions that they currently hold as trophies to their rightful native owners, that the Security Council should reexamine this resolution as to allow The Black Riders to finally rest in peace,

Hereby liberates The Black Riders.

[Palsada]

Sounds legit.

[Harenhime]

The Security Council,

Recognizing that certain activities within the world can be detrimental to the international community as a whole and should be perceived with antipathy,

Like using the SC as a weapon to remove passwords placed by the natives of a region? We Are Not the NSA, a long-time native of TBR, placed into effect the current password.

Acknowledging the typical use of liberation proposals, which usually are implemented to free a native community from an unwarranted password imposed by a Delegate with aspirations of tyrannical oppression and obliteration of said community,

Glad to see you understand the usual purpose of such resolutions

Firmly believing that while the international community has long held that liberation proposals should only be used to free besieged communities, also believing that when used under certain extraordinary circumstances as a weapon the benefits far outweigh the consequences,

Benefits like being able to invade a region and seize control from it's natives?

Imploring the international community to band together and take the steps necessary in hindering extremely violent and destructive ideologies such as raiding undertaken by organizations such as The Black Riders and DEN,

Great moral motive, man. How does this proposal do that though? Does it make its voters into active defenders? Also, pretty sure The Black Riders are no longer "violent and destructive," seeing as they're dead and all.

Frightened that such a stronghold dedicated to abhorrence and destruction could, can and has corrupted entire communities to follow the atrocious examples set by The Black Riders and their successor organization DEN,

The region should be liberated...because they recruited effectively? That opens a lot of doors....

Observing no existence of a substantial regional community within The Black Riders, as most if not all abandoned the region when it was initially conquered by a multiregional taskforce led by United German Regions, thus abandoning any claims that regional community may have once had to The Black Riders,

Oh, so the over-a-dozen people who worked to regain their home for months are nothing? That's more active members than most of the given regions on NS. Understandably, they weren't exactly "observable," while acting to remove the hostile invaders in secret.

Asking the members of the international community to recall and always remember the atrocious acts undertaken by The Black Riders in once flourishing native communities such as Hippiedom, The Silver Isles, Planet X, and The Mountains to The East which they so casually destroyed as a matter of course,

Yes, let's throw out a bunch of names! Anarchy! Evil Raiders! It says 'liberation' and mentions raids, let's vote for it!

Dedicated to the belief that The Black Riders should not be refounded as a trophy or a shrine to the despicable ideology of destructive raiding,

Ah, so let's let another group refound it as a trophy to their own cause instead, rather than as a historical museum and meeting-place? Perfect sense.

Mercifully believing that should The Black Riders and their successor organization DEN return the regions that they currently hold as trophies to their rightful native owners, that the Security Council should reexamine this resolution as to allow The Black Riders to finally rest in peace,

So... this body intends to resort to blackmail? Great idea. What's next, "stop raiding, or we'll lib your home regions?"

Hereby liberates The Black Riders.

Can we just be done with these, please?

Bold are my commentss

[The Silver Sentinel]

Same old arguments. Perhaps had Mall not tried to liberate Haven then this wouldn't happen now would it? I have no moral qualms about what I am doing, and I call bullshit that you say you won't continuously defend it. Call it what you want Souls, but TBR brought this all on themselves.

[Harenhime]

And perhaps now TBH just wants to clean up after their bastard child for good, and let it remain a footnote?

[The Silver Sentinel]

And perhaps now TBH just wants to clean up after their bastard child for good, and let it remain a footnote?

No, I don't think enough penance has been paid yet. Convince Gest to return those regions back to the natives and we can talk.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

No, I don't think enough penance has been paid yet. Convince Gest to return those regions back to the natives and we can talk.

My good body, I hope you observe the personal vendetta this representative is using you to execute, in a form of twisted ransom of sorts.

It truly is disappointing to see the esteemed gathering that is the Security Council used for such underhand purposes as a blatant threat, a demand for negotiation, a replica of exactly what it is supposedly condemning!

When faced with bull, bring a bigger hunk of bull

[The Silver Sentinel]

No, I don't think enough penance has been paid yet. Convince Gest to return those regions back to the natives and we can talk.

My good body, I hope you observe the personal vendetta this representative is using you to execute, in a form of twisted ransom of sorts.

It truly is disappointing to see the esteemed gathering that is the Security Council used for such underhand purposes as a blatant threat, a demand for negotiation, a replica of exactly what it is supposedly condemning!

When faced with bull, bring a bigger hunk of bull

Oh please.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Oh please.

Exactly.

[The Silver Sentinel]

Oh please.

Exactly.

I was asking you to spare the health of everyone so they don't have a coronary from all the baloney you are trying to feed them. Everything in that liberation is true and you know it. I don't believe you are going to find a lot of bleeding hearts rallying to your cause.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Exactly.

I was asking you to spare the health of everyone so they don't have a coronary from all the baloney you are trying to feed them. Everything in that liberation is true and you know it. I don't believe you are going to find a lot of bleeding hearts rallying to your cause.

I could say the same for your proposal, and my comments.

[The Silver Sentinel]

I was asking you to spare the health of everyone so they don't have a coronary from all the baloney you are trying to feed them. Everything in that liberation is true and you know it. I don't believe you are going to find a lot of bleeding hearts rallying to your cause.

I could say the same for your proposal, and my comments.

Well I can't personally think of a better judge than all of your victims, as I am done bantering back and forth without accomplishing anything.

(We're still cool though right? This is nothing personal)

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I could say the same for your proposal, and my comments.

Well I can't personally think of a better judge than all of your victims, as I am done bantering back and forth without accomplishing anything.

(We're still cool though right? This is nothing personal)

And I can't think of a better body to vote against it than all the large delegate I hope will Stamps may get you approvals, but the GCR's and large UCR's decide the vote - and we've yet to see lib TBR make it past them.

[The Silver Sentinel]

but the GCR's and large UCR's decide the vote

As I recall most of them voted against the WSA and it still passed.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

but the GCR's and large UCR's decide the vote

As I recall most of them voted against the WSA and it still passed.

Well, then spam the world with a half dozen massive TG's, and be treated as Bitely was.

[The Silver Sentinel]

As I recall most of them voted against the WSA and it still passed.

Well, then spam the world with a half dozen massive TG's, and be treated as Bitely was.

I won't need to. Your guys actions (and name) speak for themselves.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I won't need to. Your guys actions (and name) speak for themselves.

Your own reputation precedes you as well.

[Tano]

For fucks sake. Stop with these proposals.

[Aenglaland]

So the SC is still going at this? Nothing better to do, I suppose?

Wait, why am I not surprised at all?

[We Are Not The ATF]

First: Ha. I was right, morality for the win.

Second: I still fail to see how turning TBR into a warzone will be beneficial for anyone. DEN has offered barely any real support beyond a few infiltrators (all of whom were acting against orders) and sure as hell isn't going to change that policy now. Liberating will just end in some two-bit defender region refounding and using the publicity for recruitment.

Besides, even if we lose the region at this point, TBR still won. The point of taking back TBR was never about refounding, it was about reestablishing the food chain. We had planned to pull out directly after raidercon. We only stayed because we received more interregional support than anticipated. The point was always to scare the natives, remind them that raiders don't need TBR to beat them. What better way to do that then infiltrate every elected office in the "reformed" tbr government, and make a big dramatic show of how we did it? TBR serves no tactical value anymore, and the only reason I've supported the refound was because it was possible. If that possibility is taken away, I won't shed a tear leaving TBR for the hawks to fight for. If you want to punish TBR, try some real defending, because you whining about it to the SC only makes me feel better about not giving those regions back to the natives.

[Ayvari]

What morality? Chester was a staunch raider sympathizer not too long ago. Spouting all of this stereotypical defender rhetoric is his way of assuring people that he has conformed.

Anyways, the precedent was set with Liberate Nazi Europe. Bringing up Liberal Haven is a pitiful attempt at inviting sympathy. Anyone and everyone who voted to crack the password of Nazi Europe and yet thinks that they can argue that any other community is worthy of keeping their own self-defense is a hypocrite.

Who cares about Liberate Haven? All it did was provoke a massive display of unseemly complaining and scrounge up a few warns for trolling and flaming. Using it as an excuse now is just laughable.

Remember: Liberate Nazi Europe. By that precedent, no community has an inherent right to self-defense. That includes your precious natives, Chester.

[The Silver Sentinel]

You can think whatever you want Xor. Oh and for the last time my name is not Chester so please stop calling me that.

[Ayvari]

There's that defender raid of Hogwarts that should be getting a password soon. I'm guessing that you advocate for the right to a password there?

How about TITO with Urbanites?

If TBH doesn't have the right to password a dead raider region, what right do you have to password a trophy and a decrepit, dead defender region?

Seems as if the can of worms where the SC becomes less than beneficial to defenders is beginning to open.

[The Silver Sentinel]

Remember: Liberate Nazi Europe. By that precedent, no community has an inherent right to self-defense. That includes your precious natives,

How did you vote on Liberate Nazi Europe? You were a defender at the time. Did you go hauling ass into NE to defend their rights to regional sovereignty?

[Ayvari]

Remember: Liberate Nazi Europe. By that precedent, no community has an inherent right to self-defense. That includes your precious natives,

How did you vote on Liberate Nazi Europe? You were a defender at the time. Did you go hauling ass into NE to defend their rights to regional sovereignty?

I was a GCR military leader and did what I was ordered to do. I was never a pure defender because I never had the leisure to be so. I had a responsibility to my independent military. Also, I never voted on that proposal. I was new at the time and the SC was an alien entity.

I did, however, vote for the Repeal.