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by The LBP Union » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:19 am
There are reports that a man is sitting in a can. No further information is available. LittleBigPlanet servers are still offline. Stay tuned for further details.
by Mundiferrum » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:59 am
The Stalker wrote:Like I said, I believe it's about balancing the books.
The Liberation function has always been a weapon against raiders, and that's what this resolution does, it's using the liberation function as a weapon against raiders.
By not using the liberation function against raiders you basically are approving of them taking people's regions without penalty. Not using the only tool the collective victimized natives of NS has against raiders.
The LBP Union wrote:Because Condemnations are useful, right? Yayletsrewardthetrollslol
Regardless, TBR stole regions, destroyed them, etc. Their aggressive actions have destroyed their right to sovereignty because they have not respected the sovereignty of other regions. Hence, along with my previous thing about how this would prevent the further growth of raiding, this is all justification for this Liberation.
by The Stalker » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:07 am
by Mundiferrum » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:11 am
The Stalker wrote:The Liberation function to me has always been about fighting raiders. Saying it can only be used in one circumstance is like saying there is only one reason to commend someone, or only one reason to condemn someone.
The SC functions exist as they do, and there are lots of reasons to commend / condemn, and to use a liberation to fight raiders.
Saying that the a liberation isn't a tool to fight raiders would be untrue. It's fine if you wanna be supportive of The Black Riders and their raiding, but acting like there is only one narrow reason to use the liberation function to fight them is nonsense.
by The Stalker » Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:58 am
by Valrifell » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:05 am
The Stalker wrote:Like I said, I believe it's about balancing the books.
The Liberation function has always been a weapon against raiders, and that's what this resolution does, it's using the liberation function as a weapon against raiders.
By not using the liberation function against raiders you basically are approving of them taking people's regions without penalty. Not using the only tool the collective victimized natives of NS has against raiders.
by The Stalker » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:12 am
by Misley » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:15 am
by Valrifell » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:37 am
The Stalker wrote:I clearly make a distinction between raider natives and victimized natives. Go re-read them.
Misley wrote:Taking the "moral high ground" on Liberations was silly when Repeal Liberate NAZI EUROPE passed, and it's silly now.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:48 am
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by The Stalker » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:57 am
by United RussoAsia » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:18 am
by Xoriet » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:46 am
The Stalker wrote:Valrifell wrote:
Why the Hell is there a distinction?
Because TBR still hold countless region's homelands. How can you expect to us to wanna see them get theirs back when they refuse to give ours back. Give me Hippiedom. Give Codger Eastern Europe, give us our homelands and I would personally fight for them to have theirs.
Till then this is ridiculous.
by The LBP Union » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:52 am
Mundiferrum wrote:The Stalker wrote:Like I said, I believe it's about balancing the books.
The Liberation function has always been a weapon against raiders, and that's what this resolution does, it's using the liberation function as a weapon against raiders.
By not using the liberation function against raiders you basically are approving of them taking people's regions without penalty. Not using the only tool the collective victimized natives of NS has against raiders.
It's a weapon against raiders in the sense that it gives the invaded or raided natives their regions back. This specific liberation only opens them up to any attacks, basically the opposite of the liberation's function. It might be "balancing the books", but again, this opens up the precedent that a liberation's function isn't strictly that of helping the natives, which pretty much destroys that whole purpose (the whole helping natives thing). Besides, it's kind of pathetic to attack raiders by liberating their regions -- we already have a condemn function, and if you really want to hit them back, destroying their raiding attacks and whatever would be more effective.
I admit that my early usage of the term "Weaponizing" was a bit of thoughtless throwing around, but I think I made my point.The LBP Union wrote:Because Condemnations are useful, right? Yayletsrewardthetrollslol
Regardless, TBR stole regions, destroyed them, etc. Their aggressive actions have destroyed their right to sovereignty because they have not respected the sovereignty of other regions. Hence, along with my previous thing about how this would prevent the further growth of raiding, this is all justification for this Liberation.
And liberating a region controlled by its natives helps the situation out? Also, saying that such actions could destroy any such right basically makes the whole right a bit of a sketchy idea, but that's an argument I'm not fit to address. However, as for this preventing further growth of raiding, that's sort of a butt argument -- the natives of TBR would still exist, they'd just move to another region and use that to continue and further their whole thing.
There are reports that a man is sitting in a can. No further information is available. LittleBigPlanet servers are still offline. Stay tuned for further details.
by Xoriet » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:03 am
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:04 am
The LBP Union wrote:It's well known already that the natives would move on to other regions like DEN, but let's think for a moment for what The Black Riders, as a region itself and not the people inside it, what it represents. If raiders control it, it will be a symbol of raiding's power and more people will be inspired to join. If it is a friendly, anti-raiding based region, less new raiders will come in.
Those who do not respect the sovereignty of others do not deserve to have their own respected. It's high time the world shows them we won't stand for their malicious actions.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Deremboro » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:14 am
by Dragon rider 663 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:43 am
by The Stalker » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:50 am
by Lord Ravenclaw » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:53 am
by Dragon rider 663 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:55 am
The Stalker wrote:The security council is the best tool victimized natives have to fight against raiding . The liberation was made for just that, to give the collective a chance to fight back. Not everyone has the time or skill to defend or liberate. To suggest those are the only way to 'demoralize' them isn't true or they wouldn't be fighting this resolution like they are.
I certainly will be watching for the refound but if they get that far I doubt I or anyone is gonna get it from them. They steal native communities refounds on a regular bases. I'm also fairly convinced they have/had an auto refound script anyway.
I don't understand why a group devoted to stealing peoples homelands have any right to get the international communities support in getting theirs back.
by Knot II » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:55 am
The Stalker wrote:I'm also fairly convinced they have/had an auto refound script anyway.
[12:18 AM] Knot: No worries, I have better kicking rates when there are more defenders.
[12:20 AM] Chingis Otchigin: Knot's hammer is splash damage konfirmed
by The Stalker » Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:59 am
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