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[DEFEATED] Repeal "Reproductive Freedoms"

Postby Sciongrad » Sun May 24, 2015 4:20 pm

The General Assembly,

Affirming its recognition of reproductive rights and its responsibility to protect these rights,

Mindful, however, that there are reasonable and relevant interests in reducing abortions in certain circumstances that are prohibited by GAR#286 absolutely,

Regretting that GAR#286 prevents meaningful and necessary action against sex-selective abortion - a practice that often leads to crippling imbalances in gender demographics and exacerbates social gender inequality - undermining its enduring commitment to promoting social equality,

Understanding that the notion of terminating pregnancies up until the infant is birthed, which is permitted by GAR#286, poses a serious and legitimate ethical concern to many member nations,

Regarding GAR#286 as an immature and reckless exercise of World Assembly authority that does not reflect the legitimate underpinnings behind the right to reproductive choice,

Believing that such a radical approach to an issue as sensitive and divisive as reproductive choice is inconsistent with its extant commitment towards international cooperation,

Desiring a more moderate and refined approach to reproductive rights,

Hereby repeals GAR#286, "Reproductive Freedoms."

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun May 24, 2015 5:32 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
The General Assembly,

Affirming its recognition of reproductive rights and its responsibility to protect these rights,

Mindful, however, that there are reasonable and relevant interests in reducing abortions in certain circumstances that are prohibited by GAR#286 absolutely,

Regretting that GAR#286 prevents meaningful and necessary action against sex-selective abortion - a practice that often leads to crippling imbalances in gender demographics and exacerbates social gender inequality - which undermines its enduring commitment to promoting social equality,

Understanding that the notion of terminating pregnancies up until the infant is birthed, which is permitted by GAR#286, poses a serious and legitimate ethical concern to many member nations,

Regarding GAR#286 as an immature and reckless exercise of World Assembly authority that does not reflect the legitimate underpinnings behind the right to reproductive choice,

Believing that such a radical approach to an issue as sensitive and divisive as reproductive choice is inconsistent with its extant commitment towards international cooperation cooperation,

Desiring a more moderate and refined approach to reproductive rights,

Hereby repeals GAR#286, "Reproductive Freedoms."

The Empire would be glad to support this repeal attempt. The argument made in the repeal makes sense and is not obviously objectionable.

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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sun May 24, 2015 6:41 pm

Unfortunately, this is not going to work as long as Mousebumples is in a position to stomp it and get the North Pacific to go along with her. Not that there's anything particularly wrong with their politicking on this resolution; it's just that it does not bode well for this project, in the current political situation we are in, and I would urge the Scionites to suspend this draft until a more favorable environment for moderating abortion mandates can be achieved.
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Sun May 24, 2015 6:50 pm

I would love to support this one, but I am afraid I am going to have to agree with Kenny on this.
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Postby Sciongrad » Sun May 24, 2015 6:55 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Unfortunately, this is not going to work as long as Mousebumples is in a position to stomp it and get the North Pacific to go along with her. Not that there's anything particularly wrong with their politicking on this resolution; it's just that it does not bode well for this project, in the current political situation we are in, and I would urge the Scionites to suspend this draft until a more favorable environment for moderating abortion mandates can be achieved.


While I'm aware that Mousebumples is in a position to stack against this, the North Pacific - a long time friend and ally of my region - is obligated, by treaty, to stack in favor of any resolution put forth by a member of the IDU. I'm not arrogant enough to assume that the TNP's early vote will guarantee this repeal's success by any means, but I don't think Europeia's delegate stacking against will be a significant issue. I'm in no rush to get this to vote, and I'll get my fair share of politicking in before I move forward.
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Sun May 24, 2015 7:05 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Unfortunately, this is not going to work as long as Mousebumples is in a position to stomp it and get the North Pacific to go along with her. Not that there's anything particularly wrong with their politicking on this resolution; it's just that it does not bode well for this project, in the current political situation we are in, and I would urge the Scionites to suspend this draft until a more favorable environment for moderating abortion mandates can be achieved.


While I'm aware that Mousebumples is in a position to stack against this, the North Pacific - a long time friend and ally of my region - is obligated, by treaty, to stack in favor of any resolution put forth by a member of the IDU. I'm not arrogant enough to assume that the TNP's early vote will guarantee this repeal's success by any means, but I don't think Europeia's delegate stacking against will be a significant issue. I'm in no rush to get this to vote, and I'll get my fair share of politicking in before I move forward.


You are also aware that the delegate of the North Pacific is constitutionally bound to vote in favor of their constituents right?
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Postby Sciongrad » Sun May 24, 2015 7:10 pm

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Sciongrad wrote:
While I'm aware that Mousebumples is in a position to stack against this, the North Pacific - a long time friend and ally of my region - is obligated, by treaty, to stack in favor of any resolution put forth by a member of the IDU. I'm not arrogant enough to assume that the TNP's early vote will guarantee this repeal's success by any means, but I don't think Europeia's delegate stacking against will be a significant issue. I'm in no rush to get this to vote, and I'll get my fair share of politicking in before I move forward.


You are also aware that the delegate of the North Pacific is constitutionally bound to vote in favor of their constituents right?


OOC: Yeah, but that isn't really what I'm talking about. Mouse's early stack can be fatal, but TNP's early stack completely nullifies her potency. TNP changing their vote later on may be unfortunate, and I'd have to do some politicking to prevent that, but the concern here, as far as I see it, is preventing Mouse from getting the lemmings stacked against.
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Postby Phydios » Sun May 24, 2015 7:38 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
The General Assembly,

Affirming its recognition of reproductive rights and its responsibility to protect these rights,

Mindful, however, that there are reasonable and relevant interests in reducing abortions in certain circumstances that are prohibited by GAR#286 absolutely,

Regretting that GAR#286 prevents meaningful and necessary action against sex-selective abortion - a practice that often leads to crippling imbalances in gender demographics and exacerbates social gender inequality - which undermines its enduring commitment to promoting social equality,

Understanding that the notion of terminating pregnancies up until the infant is birthed, which is permitted by GAR#286, poses a serious and legitimate ethical concern to many member nations,

Regarding GAR#286 as an immature and reckless exercise of World Assembly authority that does not reflect the legitimate underpinnings behind the right to reproductive choice,

Believing that such a radical approach to an issue as sensitive and divisive as reproductive choice is inconsistent with its extant commitment towards international cooperation cooperation,

Desiring a more moderate and refined approach to reproductive rights,

Hereby repeals GAR#286, "Reproductive Freedoms."

Phydios would gladly support this repeal. Our entire region is firmly against GAR #286, and would be very happy to see it nullified. We wish Sciongrad the best of luck in passing this.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon May 25, 2015 12:01 pm

I was going through my region's history. Did you propose a repeal of this resolution in the past?

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Mon May 25, 2015 12:53 pm

Steph enters the chamber carrying a cooler in one hand and a small paper bag in the other.

"Alright, let the entertainment begin!"

The crumpled top of the paper bag unruffles slightly as she puts it down on the desk, and the aroma of hot, freshly roasted peanuts wafts around the room. Out of the cooler comes the first of several bottles of mid-range lager; placing the fringe of the bottlecap just atop the outer edge of the desk, Steph gives the cap a good whack downward with her other hand, sending the cap skittering off across the floor. She plops down into her seat and takes a large swig.

"OK, so what kind of idiocy is it this ti-... Oh, Ms. Santos! Didn't expect to see you here. It's awfully kind to you to post the text on behalf of the submitter... Your draft! Well, let's see then..." Steph trails off as she reads the draft. "Hmm. This is well written, fairly comprehensive, not at all shrill or bloviating, and earnestly concerned. Umm. I hate to say this, but we can't offer serious, well-reasoned opposition. We disagree that #286 was 'immature and reckless' - the only serious flaw we see in it is its failure to address sex-selective abortion - but it has to be possible to address that without trampling over reproductive rights generally."

"We've hitherto voted against opposed any and every repeal attempt that's made it to the floor been proposed, not least because so many of them had to pretend to some horrifying plague of late-term abortions that apparently the world's sinister witches were just waiting to carry out. This is much more calm and useful. I won't commit either way on it yet, but it's the first I've ever seen that we're even considering, so take heart. Oh, and batten down the hatches."

Steph reaches into the cooler again.. "You want one?"

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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Mon May 25, 2015 1:20 pm

Sciongrad wrote:While I'm aware that Mousebumples is in a position to stack against this, the North Pacific - a long time friend and ally of my region - is obligated, by treaty, to stack in favor of any resolution put forth by a member of the IDU.

Well, now I know to use Boricuastan for all future legislative projects. Thanks for the tip! 8)

While this splashes cold water on my own EBIL super-533KR1T repeal draft I cannot in good conscience oppose this one. Regretfully I have nothing further to add or any suggestions for improvement (though something may strike me later). Good luck with this.
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Postby Sciongrad » Mon May 25, 2015 1:47 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Steph enters the chamber carrying a cooler in one hand and a small paper bag in the other.

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The crumpled top of the paper bag unruffles slightly as she puts it down on the desk, and the aroma of hot, freshly roasted peanuts wafts around the room. Out of the cooler comes the first of several bottles of mid-range lager; placing the fringe of the bottlecap just atop the outer edge of the desk, Steph gives the cap a good whack downward with her other hand, sending the cap skittering off across the floor. She plops down into her seat and takes a large swig.

"OK, so what kind of idiocy is it this ti-... Oh, Ms. Santos! Didn't expect to see you here. It's awfully kind to you to post the text on behalf of the submitter... Your draft! Well, let's see then..." Steph trails off as she reads the draft. "Hmm. This is well written, fairly comprehensive, not at all shrill or bloviating, and earnestly concerned. Umm. I hate to say this, but we can't offer serious, well-reasoned opposition. We disagree that #286 was 'immature and reckless' - the only serious flaw we see in it is its failure to address sex-selective abortion - but it has to be possible to address that without trampling over reproductive rights generally."

"We've hitherto voted against any and every repeal attempt that's made it to the floor, not least because so many of them had to pretend to some horrifying plague of late-term abortions that apparently the world's sinister witches were just waiting to carry out. This is much more calm and useful. I won't commit either way on it yet, but it's the first I've ever seen that we're even considering, so take heart. Oh, and batten down the hatches."

Steph reaches into the cooler again.. "You want one?"


"Sciongrad is most humbled by your Excellency's, err, consideration, of our draft! We understand that even the notion of repealing GAR#286 carries anti-choice connotations, but that is genuinely not our objective. Sciongrad is interested in a more refined approach to reproductive rights - one that accounts for the serious issue that sex-selective abortions poses. I'll add this quickly, to preemptively clarify our position: sex-selective abortions are an effect of widespread gender inequality, and therefore measures must be taken to reduce those social pressures. However, that is a gradual process, and GAR#286 prevents any impediment to pregnancy termination in the mean time, including sex selective abortions. We believe a more sensible approach would recognize that there are relevant interests in reducing abortions that are consistent with a commitment to reproductive rights rather than the absolute and unqualified access to abortion that GAR#286 permits."

Finishing her brief speech, she noticed Steph eating popcorn and was instantly affected by the primordial instincts of the Iberian grandmother. "Ai! If you eat that, you'll ruin your appetite. Come, sit down o meu querido, I just made some feijoada. I know not everyone likes beans, but my grandfather" - she looked down and quickly crossed herself - "he ate beans every day and lived to be 108! Never visited a doctor once, I swear of it. Please, just one plate, you're so skinny. What, you don't like my food anymore? You're going to make me cry." She rambled on before Ricardo made his way over and sat her down.

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:
Sciongrad wrote:While I'm aware that Mousebumples is in a position to stack against this, the North Pacific - a long time friend and ally of my region - is obligated, by treaty, to stack in favor of any resolution put forth by a member of the IDU.

Well, now I know to use Boricuastan for all future legislative projects. Thanks for the tip! 8)


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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Mon May 25, 2015 3:15 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:"We've hitherto voted against any and every repeal attempt that's made it to the floor, not least because so many of them had to pretend to some horrifying plague of late-term abortions that apparently the world's sinister witches were just waiting to carry out."

To my mind there have been just two repeal attempts to go to vote - the last one contained just one line about late-term abortion; the other was maybe 95% related to sex-selective abortion.

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Mon May 25, 2015 9:34 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:"We've hitherto voted against any and every repeal attempt that's made it to the floor, not least because so many of them had to pretend to some horrifying plague of late-term abortions that apparently the world's sinister witches were just waiting to carry out."

To my mind there have been just two repeal attempts to go to vote - the last one contained just one line about late-term abortion; the other was maybe 95% related to sex-selective abortion.

I'm afraid you are mistaken.


Well, that's certainly possible. My idiot esteemed predecessor's notes on 286 tend toward the drunken, crazed scrawling end of the handwriting spectrum, and debate chamber transcripts on the many proposals which did not go to vote feature heavy mention of the late term issue. I've sent a note to have the transcript corrected. Thanks for speaking up on that.

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Postby Bananaistan » Mon May 25, 2015 11:06 pm

Before we could reverse our outright opposition to all repeal attempts of RF, we would need to see "a more moderate and refined approach to reproductive rights". Until then we must unfortunately diverge from our typical support of the legislative attempts of Sciongrad whose aims in the World Assembly usually converge with our own.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue May 26, 2015 7:45 am

I'll admit it. I saw the title and cringed, thinking it was another "think of the children" draft, and then I saw it was from Sciongrad, and I relaxed.

Is this meant to be an R&R, as shown by your last clause?
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Postby Elke and Elba » Tue May 26, 2015 7:52 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:I'll admit it. I saw the title and cringed, thinking it was another "think of the children" draft, and then I saw it was from Sciongrad, and I relaxed.

Is this meant to be an R&R, as shown by your last clause?
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I would not ascertain that to be the case unless Santos says something to that effect.

Ambassadors are known to use that boilerplate clause to garner approval from the uneducated masses while not having any intention to carry out an R&R.
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Postby SchutteGod » Tue May 26, 2015 8:55 am

Bananaistan wrote:Before we could reverse our outright opposition to all repeal attempts of RF, we would need to see "a more moderate and refined approach to reproductive rights".

Sigh...

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Postby Sciongrad » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:47 am

SchutteGod wrote:
Bananaistan wrote:Before we could reverse our outright opposition to all repeal attempts of RF, we would need to see "a more moderate and refined approach to reproductive rights".

Sigh...

(If anyone has observations about the linked draft, feel free to bump that thread. Don't jack this one.)


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"Unless there are further comments, Sciongrad will be submitting this in the next few days."
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Sciongrad wrote:"Unless there are further comments, this will be submitting in the next few days."


Please do. That travesty has sat on the books long enough.
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Submitted! Hopefully, this will reach quorum shortly.
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