[PASSED] Condemn The Pacific

[Pierconium]

I am not certain parts of the resolution make sense logistically. Surely you can not look at a regional government that has been in place longer than 90% (low end) of the NS population in total as being non-native (if we are going to pretend feeders have natives)? Maybe that first bit about the NPO not representing the 'natives' of The Pacific should be left out just for accuracy sake.

Otherwise, good on you. I am sure the active nations of The Pacific and the 350+ nations that support the sitting Delegate are very concerned with your opinion. Condemn away...

[Arctriul]

I still can't believe some of you guys are actually willing to support this ludicrous proposal...

Condemnations and Commendations lead to nothing more then high fives all round. Not to mention the fact that we even have one of the Co-Authors stating previously that any form of security council intervention on GCRs is unwarranted and that individuals should be targeted opposed to the region itself.

GCR regional governments and their conflicts, come and go. Far more logical to go after the individuals involved than to think a GCR itself warrants a condemning or commending.

It's not far from wanting to condemn / commend a warzone if you ask me.

Where ideas previously put forward could simply be replaced over this matter...

Why not condemn Milograd everyone who played a large role in establishing the current lazarus regime New Lazarus Order and who had couped TSP PRL?

You all make little sense...

[The Stalker]

Not to mention the fact that we even have one of the Co-Authors stating previously that any form of security council intervention on GCRs is unwarranted and that individuals should be targeted opposed to the region itself.

GCR regional governments and their conflicts, come and go. Far more logical to go after the individuals involved than to think a GCR itself warrants a condemning or commending.

It's not far from wanting to condemn / commend a warzone if you ask me.

You must have over looked my first post where I acknowledge this and explain my reasoning.

Generally with GCR I feel they shouldn't be Commended / Condemned, because with most GCR governments and players, they come and go ever few years. Unlike with UCR, GCR generally change hands often enough I feel they can't really be commended / condemned.

However the Pacific is the exception to that rule, Krulls had the delegate seat for nearly 6 years and NPO government held TP longer, and it has a history of colonizing attempts like this throughout it's past, beyond the recent events in Lazarus.

The NPO has ruled over the Pacific for over a decade, and has been a continues threat to GCR sovereignty as documented in this resolution. I don't believe in pointless resolutions, I believe in resolutions that will effect change. This condemnation will stand as a constant informative reminder to the NS community of the NPO's behavior. A warning to newly founded nations and to the masses of TP woefully ignorant of their governments activities.

Knowledge is power. In all the universe there is no greater truth.

[Arctriul]

Not to mention the fact that we even have one of the Co-Authors stating previously that any form of security council intervention on GCRs is unwarranted and that individuals should be targeted opposed to the region itself.

You must have over looked my first post where I acknowledge this and explain my reasoning.

Generally with GCR I feel they shouldn't be Commended / Condemned, because with most GCR governments and players, they come and go ever few years. Unlike with UCR, GCR generally change hands often enough I feel they can't really be commended / condemned.

However the Pacific is the exception to that rule, Krulls had the delegate seat for nearly 6 years and NPO government held TP longer, and it has a history of colonizing attempts like this throughout it's past, beyond the recent events in Lazarus.

The NPO has ruled over the Pacific for over a decade, and has been a continues threat to GCR sovereignty as documented in this resolution. I don't believe in pointless resolutions, I believe in resolutions that will effect change. This condemnation will stand as a constant informative reminder to the NS community of the NPO's behavior. A warning to newly founded nations and to the masses of TP woefully ignorant of their governments activities.

Knowledge is power. In all the universe there is no greater truth.

Whatever you say - Frankly I can see this as nothing more then some people try to walk away from a bad incident with a bit of gain. If this begins to look like it'll pass i'll begin swaying some votes with a mass WA.

Am I supportive of the NPO? God no - I've made that clear from the start.

[Cresenthia]

Possibly the individual nations most responsible for the crisis could all be condemned. Until then, there is no alternative, but to condemn the enitre region responsible. Pacificans, liberate your region!!!

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

[If this begins to look like it'll pass i'll begin swaying some votes with a mass WA.

The threats never end do they? But hey whatever. If you want to spend the bucks to try and sway votes, be my guest. Max will love you for it.

[Arctriul]

[If this begins to look like it'll pass i'll begin swaying some votes with a mass WA.

The threats never end do they? But hey whatever. If you want to spend the bucks to try and sway votes, be my guest. Max will love you for it.

Yeah I'm a bit of a prat aren't I? Max already loves me - Gosh. I'm paying for his netflix through my campaigns.

Your approach in comparison to The Stalker's in attempting to get me to see merit in this are completely different. He provides logical points that if unable to be rebutted id accept. He made some decent points. You on the other hand - well you already know. th

Condemning them fixes no problems and creates not the best welcome for new nations being founded. If you have serious issues with the NPO - Rather than the excessively useless angrily worded letter; How about you actually do something that will make a difference?

Much love, Max's favourite nation <3

[Pollaetorian]

My trouble with the SC is I can't tell if people are ic or occ anymore

There's a section of new players who'll join this game and see The Pacific as a monolithic evil empire and think "coooool". Others will think it's not for them and quickly move to another regions. There's not really that many natives who's first thought is 'I feel enraged and obliged to change this!'

But yes, we must think IC in these halls so For I'm not silly enough to think it'll influence OOC behaviours.

[Belschaft]

Alas, this misses the detail that Milograd was made a NPO Senator was a reward for his Coup of TSP.

[Great Brigantia]

Alas, this misses the detail that Milograd was made a NPO Senator was a reward for his Coup of TSP.

I was responsible for the clause on the TSP coup, and unfortunately I had forgotten this detail. While that clause is, as a result, not as strong as it could be, I'm nonetheless glad that the NPO's involvement in the TSP coup will finally have some consequences if this condemnation passes.

[Greater Nevadian Empire]

Once the NPO is overthrown, the condemnation will still be there...

[Ramaeus]

Once the NPO is overthrown, the condemnation will still be there...

In the unlikely event that they are overthrown, this Condemnation can be repealed.

[Seliberari]

I am staying completely neutral on the Pacific's foreign policy, and concerning which it is only determined by a small amount of people, not the whole region, making condemning the region punitive to innocents with no part of any outside happening instead of condemning the nations who did do something. Saying that the government is tyrannic is quite the laugh though, the leadership only acts upon RMB spammers/recruiters, people who come just to attack the leadership, people who put inappropriate symbolism, names, mottoes, currencies, and whatnot, while letting any responsible nations do whatever they wish. Ask anyone from the Pacific if they feel oppressed, they will say no. There is no need to condemn the whole region for the acts of a few.

[Ramaeus]

Additionally, I have voted AGAINST this proposal. We're condemning them for incompetence. That's hardly worthy of a badge.

[Great Brigantia]

Additionally, I have voted AGAINST this proposal. We're condemning them for incompetence. That's hardly worthy of a badge.

We're condemning them for coups d'etat against two Feeders and a Sinker, as well as perpetuating tyranny over The Pacific, actually.

[The Stalker]

Well we are Condemning them for more than just the evens in Lazarus, but due to the various coups over time.

People memories are short, and a new generation of NSers will arrive, if we don't make this statement now the events in Lazarus could easily be repeated again, particularly with the way they are trying to distance themselves from this.

[Ramaeus]

We're condemning them for coups d'etat against two Feeders and a Sinker, as well as perpetuating tyranny over The Pacific, actually.

And the primary motivation (or at least the breaking point) being Lazarus -- something they failed utterly at. I won't deny that they're trying to be villains, imperialists, and colonial masters, but it isn't something they're doing a good at. Incompetence isn't something that should be recognized and rewarded.

[Seliberari]

...perpetuating tyranny over The Pacific, actually.

Tyranny: cruel and unfair treatment by people with power over others

The acts of The Pacific government are hardly oppressive, cruel, or unfair to the members of The Pacific.

[Great Brigantia]

And the primary motivation (or at least the breaking point) being Lazarus -- something they failed utterly at. I won't deny that they're trying to be villains, imperialists, and colonial masters, but it isn't something they're doing a good at. Incompetence isn't something that should be recognized and rewarded.

I'm not sure a coup d'etat is only worthy of the world's condemnation if it's a failure. That certainly isn't past Security Council precedent -- Durkadurkiranistan II's coups, for example, didn't last either and yet he's condemned. The Dourian Embassy's coup of Osiris didn't last and yet he is condemned in part for that coup.

What is worthy of condemnation is their willingness to engage in flagrant aggression against their fellow Feeders and Sinkers. We have condemned The Black Hawks, The Black Riders, and Lone Wolves United for raiding founderless user-created regions, many of which have small and inactive communities when they have communities at all. It seems nonsensical not to condemn the NPO for perpetrating coups against three Feeders and Sinkers. Has any single organization been directly responsible, as lead, for more Feeder and Sinker coups?

[Ramaeus]

-snip-

Solid points. I have withdrawn my vote, and will wait till closer to the end.

[Great Brigantia]

-snip-

Solid points. I have withdrawn my vote, and will wait till closer to the end.

Thanks for considering my arguments!

[Karenus]

Pacificans, liberate your region!!!

Nah, thanks.

I second this:

...perpetuating tyranny over The Pacific, actually.

Tyranny: cruel and unfair treatment by people with power over others

The acts of The Pacific government are hardly oppressive, cruel, or unfair to the members of The Pacific.

[Ainocra]

On behalf of Osiris we will support this condemnation.

We regret the damage The NPO has done to themselves and their people that makes this step necessary.

[Loveland City]

The Security Council,


Urging the native nations of The Pacific to demand reform from the NPO, to bring an end to its domestic tyranny and foreign imperialism, so that one day The Pacific may reconcile with the interregional community and this condemnation will no longer be necessary,

This last part. Not going to happen. They are in power because the populace wishes them in power.

Hail Pacifica!

o/ o/

I don't understand how this Resolution is at a 10-1 vote in FAVOR!!
No complaints from citizens of the Pacific. Heck they're ready to wear the condem badge with honor because they're getting an unfair rap. 12 YEARS NPO has been in power yet this Resolitokn comes from a founder with 5 nations in his region. Sour Grapes? Wake up people. Read the RMB of The Pacific. They're fine. They're sayin they aren't oppressed and nobody I mean NOBODY is saying otherwise in the Packfic. Why the Security Councel even brought this nonsense to the floor and that it's going to PASS is beside me.

[Toronina]

This last part. Not going to happen. They are in power because the populace wishes them in power.

Hail Pacifica!

o/ o/

I don't understand how this Resolution is at a 10-1 vote in FAVOR!!
No complaints from citizens of the Pacific. Heck they're ready to wear the condem badge with honor because they're getting an unfair rap. 12 YEARS NPO has been in power yet this Resolitokn comes from a founder with 5 nations in his region. Sour Grapes? Wake up people. Read the RMB of The Pacific. They're fine. They're sayin they aren't oppressed and nobody I mean NOBODY is saying otherwise in the Packfic. Why the Security Councel even brought this nonsense to the floor and that it's going to PASS is beside me.

Your grammar does not help out your argument.