[PASSED] Condemn The Pacific

[California Prime]

The Security Council,


Urging the native nations of The Pacific to demand reform from the NPO, to bring an end to its domestic tyranny and foreign imperialism, so that one day The Pacific may reconcile with the interregional community and this condemnation will no longer be necessary,

This last part. Not going to happen. They are in power because the populace wishes them in power.

Hail Pacifica!

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Here here!
Hail Pacifica!

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

And were on the boards with a campaign underway.

[Weed]

Now that Lazarus is most likely over, I am switching to opposing this.

[CreepyCut]

I'd support this but I have to confer with some regional entities first before doing so. I wouldn't be a good "democratic" (ugh) delegate if I went against everyone's wishes.

[Shogun]

I'd support this but I have to confer with some regional entities first before doing so. I wouldn't be a good "democratic" (ugh) delegate if I went against everyone's wishes.

And these wishes are expressed how exactly? Giving endorsement (with better knowledge or not for to do so)?

It must be always democratic from game-mechanical perspective, when somebody is elected to delegate. That is a process of preparatory and organisational arrangements for getting majority of endorsements "democratic" is totally irrelevant thing, as it cannot be measured with any objective ways of evaluation.

[CreepyCut]

I'd support this but I have to confer with some regional entities first before doing so. I wouldn't be a good "democratic" (ugh) delegate if I went against everyone's wishes.

And these wishes are expressed how exactly? Giving endorsement (with better knowledge or not for to do so)?

It must be always democratic from game-mechanical perspective, when somebody is elected to delegate. That is a process of preparatory and organisational arrangements for getting majority of endorsements "democratic" is totally irrelevant thing, as it cannot be measured with any objective ways of evaluation.

The founder and co-founder of my region were once and probably still are heavily involved in these regional "wars" so I basically want to make sure I'll be supporting this condemnation without getting yelled at. I probably won't get yelled at and will end up supporting this either way, but it's better to be safe than sorry, in case this has some "tactical" or "regional-political" effect that is beyond my comprehension.

Only for this type of proposal though; other automated support telegrams with proposals, belonging to the GA for example, I can decide on instantly.

[CreepyCut]

Just got the reply from my region's superior entities.

I'm afraid it's a big NO.

Sorry, Trudeau. I'll be sure to support you on the next GA proposal you make, or SC proposal if the outcome is contrary to this one.

[Arctriul]

Regional superiors include me and NobleBae just so confusion doesn't continue...

It's a no for the pure reason Condemnations/Commendations should never be passed on Sinkers/Feeders. There may be an underlying reason that I was glad to see the PRL ousted - But hey; Story for another day.

[Tim Stark]

I'll still support this, to act as a black mark upon The Pacific, as a warning to those who think dealing with their regime can bring anything but problem. Them slipping up in Lazarus does not discount the need for this resolution, and perhaps even intensifies it, given that we can certainly expect the NPO will now be backpedalling, denying involvement, and burning the individuals involved much like they did with Gaspo. There is no reason to let them escape from this badge, simply because it's not an ongoing situation anymore.

[Onderkelkia]

I'll still support this, to act as a black mark upon The Pacific, as a warning to those who think dealing with their regime can bring anything but problem. Them slipping up in Lazarus does not discount the need for this resolution, and perhaps even intensifies it, given that we can certainly expect the NPO will now be backpedalling, denying involvement, and burning the individuals involved much like they did with Gaspo. There is no reason to let them escape from this badge, simply because it's not an ongoing situation anymore.

This broadly represents my thinking on the matter.

[Benevolent Thomas]

I'll still support this, to act as a black mark upon The Pacific, as a warning to those who think dealing with their regime can bring anything but problem. Them slipping up in Lazarus does not discount the need for this resolution, and perhaps even intensifies it, given that we can certainly expect the NPO will now be backpedalling, denying involvement, and burning the individuals involved much like they did with Gaspo. There is no reason to let them escape from this badge, simply because it's not an ongoing situation anymore.

I support this resolution for the same reason. Its even more condemn worthy to abandon your own people because they failed to deliver your desired outcome.

[Terricon]

To condemn the Pacific isn't enough, we need a liberation of that region. But since I am too lazy to write that filibuster of a resolution, I shall throw my support behind this bill.

[Great Brigantia]

Now that Lazarus is most likely over, I am switching to opposing this.

With all due respect, this doesn't make any sense. Their failure in Lazarus does not negate their invasion and occupation, and what they sought to do there, nor does it negate their other reprehensible behavior for over a decade. Letting the NPO return to normalcy in its diplomatic relations is a mistake that the interregional community should not yet again repeat. It's time to actually learn the lesson this time.

I agree with Tim, Onder, and Thomas in the points they've made, and I continue to support this proposal as one of its co-authors.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

And we have a quorum. I would like to thank all of the delegates, and nations that have shown support for this effort.

[Todd McCloud]

I'll still support this, to act as a black mark upon The Pacific, as a warning to those who think dealing with their regime can bring anything but problem. Them slipping up in Lazarus does not discount the need for this resolution, and perhaps even intensifies it, given that we can certainly expect the NPO will now be backpedalling, denying involvement, and burning the individuals involved much like they did with Gaspo. There is no reason to let them escape from this badge, simply because it's not an ongoing situation anymore.

I'd say it's all the more necessary to support it especially as they are attempting to dissociate themselves from the whole ordeal. They were more than happy to declare victory, use and amend their forums, and send pilers to the cause, but now that it's been a failure, they're pulling what they can and heaping all blame on Feux and AMOM.

[Penguin Dictators]

I'll still support this, to act as a black mark upon The Pacific, as a warning to those who think dealing with their regime can bring anything but problem. Them slipping up in Lazarus does not discount the need for this resolution, and perhaps even intensifies it, given that we can certainly expect the NPO will now be backpedalling, denying involvement, and burning the individuals involved much like they did with Gaspo. There is no reason to let them escape from this badge, simply because it's not an ongoing situation anymore.

I support this resolution for the same reason. Its even more condemn worthy to abandon your own people because they failed to deliver your desired outcome.

Agreed. I also fully support this resolution, and will be urging my region-mates to do the same.

[Lord redbeard]

The position of the Government of Luna State is neutral at this time, we wish to see the response from Pacific before making a position known on the issue. In the heat of the moment mistakes can be made which will be regretted later.

[Emerald Lazarus]

The position of the Government of Luna State is neutral at this time, we wish to see the response from Pacific before making a position known on the issue. In the heat of the moment mistakes can be made which will be regretted later.

and you were listed as a member of the "NLO Guard" on the WFE too lol

[Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders]

Yay!

[Lord redbeard]

The position of the Government of Luna State is neutral at this time, we wish to see the response from Pacific before making a position known on the issue. In the heat of the moment mistakes can be made which will be regretted later.

and you were listed as a member of the "NLO Guard" on the WFE too lol

As a member of the NLO I attempted to work a diplomatic solution, unfortunately I failed, since I am relatively new to this game my idealism for diplomacy is still strong. I am in politics in RL in fact I am an elected delegate in RL, while I understand the position of striking the iron when it is hot is a good political move, in terms of diplomatic realities the NLO has fallen and the emergency aspect of the condemnation has passed, we could act out of haste or we could act with calm deliberation. the choice is up to this body, I simply wish to state my region is neutral at this time.

[Jumalariik]

I vote no. Long live the Pacific! Long live Stu! Long live New Lazarus!

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

The Greater Soviet Ukrainian Government fully supports the condemnation of the Pacific, due to their unsanctioned subversion of other game created regions. The Pacific has had a vile history of questionable and dishonorable acts, and should be officially punished by the World Assembly until a less threatening Government is installed. We urge others to do so, for the sake of World Security and human rights. We can personally testify the inhumane conditions inside the region, as the GSU has spent time under the Pacific Regime.

Boris Kolovisky, Premier of Greater Soviet Ukraine.

[Ikania]

I vote no. Long live the Pacific! Long live Stu! Long live New Lazarus!

nopenopenopenopenope

lolsorry

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

I vote no. Long live the Pacific! Long live Stu! Long live New Lazarus!

nopenopenopenopenope

lolsorry

Is that polanball!

[Ikania]

nopenopenopenopenope

lolsorry

Is that polanball!

Not anymore, of havings new flag naoh