[PASSED] Repeal SC #111 "Commend Krulltopia"

[Todd McCloud]

Aye, I'm eager to see where the voting percentages will end up for this one.

[Zarkanians]

I'll give you "shocked," but "laughing uncontrollably at"? Really?

[Ramaeus]

Voted FOR.

The NPO's recent actions are unacceptable. It's good to see that this is passing by a wide margin.

[Tim Stark]

Yup, likewise the Osiris vote is going FOR.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

It is great to see such widespread support for this. Perhaps when we are finished taking things away, they may be willing to give some back? Commendations are a hard thing to get, and it truly is a shame that both Krull, and AMOM are so ready to throw them away over a region.

I'll give you "shocked," but "laughing uncontrollably at"? Really?

Yes really. If it was such a huge problem, you had ample opportunity to mention it before.

[Seliberari]

This is a textbook Francoist revolution. Francoism is the way NationStates works best. I stand in support of my home region, and against this proposal.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Aye, I'm eager to see where the voting percentages will end up for this one.

At this early stage it's very heavily in favour of the repeal; 91% - 9%.

Congrats on getting this to vote JPT.

[Flanderlion]

This proposal is working? The propaganda being spread by trolls on our RMB is more toxic than I thought.
Good luck with taking the badge. Krulltopia deserved the badge, but if taking a badge away is the best the Security Council can do, I'm not particularly concerned who controls it.

[Chostea]

//Clearly what needs to do is nukes need to be launched, not this silly bureaucratic nonsense

[Elke and Elba]

This proposal is working? The propaganda being spread by trolls on our RMB is more toxic than I thought.
Good luck with taking the badge. Krulltopia deserved the badge, but if taking a badge away is the best the Security Council can do, I'm not particularly concerned who controls it.

I'm quite surprised that you believe that "it's just a badge". Usually, if things have to come to this - it is testament to the amount of reputation that the nominee has lost.

I would find it hard for AMOM and Krulltopia to stage a comeback after all these outside of NPO circles, they will probably look like pariahs in global diplomacy in the aftermath of this operation - only slightly fruitful, a huge waste of manpower and effort, and for a region that could have existed slightly more peacefully.

On an unrelated note - who controls you? I am quite sure you are responding under a puppet - quite obvious thru your post count.

[The LBP Union]

This proposal, while supported, I found very unprofessional and opinionated. With descriptions such as "torturous" and "laughing uncontrollably," "bastardized" I don't think this proposal deserves to be on the floor at all. If you're going to write this repeal, write it in a more constructive tone rather than throwing these subjective words around.

For this reason, I vote against.

[Flanderlion]

This proposal is working? The propaganda being spread by trolls on our RMB is more toxic than I thought.
Good luck with taking the badge. Krulltopia deserved the badge, but if taking a badge away is the best the Security Council can do, I'm not particularly concerned who controls it.

I'm quite surprised that you believe that "it's just a badge". Usually, if things have to come to this - it is testament to the amount of reputation that the nominee has lost.

I would find it hard for AMOM and Krulltopia to stage a comeback after all these outside of NPO circles, they will probably look like pariahs in global diplomacy in the aftermath of this operation - only slightly fruitful, a huge waste of manpower and effort, and for a region that could have existed slightly more peacefully.

On an unrelated note - who controls you? I am quite sure you are responding under a puppet - quite obvious thru your post count.

This actually isn't a puppet. I'm from the Pacific. I just don't use the forums, but I decided to click on the sidebar link when I saw the proposal.
I might have even posted on this before, I'm not 100% sure.
Also, if you clicked on the link, you'd see that I'm a billion + nation, with endorsements.

Time heals all wounds, and this is something that shouldn't have blown up at all. Lazarus had a law rewrite, a couple of people weren't happy about it, and got booted. They decided to form a insurgency, got some delegates on their side, and then fought a pretty awe inspiring propaganda, well I can't say war, because that would involve two sides, so a propaganda massacre.

The leadership, who were elected by the Lazarusian public, decided to rewrite some lines on paper. Then everything blew up.

[Island Union]

This proposal has received a vote FOR from Equinox, despite the lines about Balder.

[Zarkanians]

It is great to see such widespread support for this. Perhaps when we are finished taking things away, they may be willing to give some back? Commendations are a hard thing to get, and it truly is a shame that both Krull, and AMOM are so ready to throw them away over a region.

I'll give you "shocked," but "laughing uncontrollably at"? Really?

Yes really. If it was such a huge problem, you had ample opportunity to mention it before.

So did you. I maintain that this is incredibly unprofessional language for a Security Council bill, and that blaming me for not removing it doesn't do much to explain why it's there in the first place. Especially given the fact that I had no part in writing this. My vote against stands.

[California Prime]

This proposal reads like the kind of opinionated partisan attack you would find on a cable news program. I vote Against

[Imperium Anglorum]

What is this Francoism which people have spoken about? I don't get this idea between feederites and userites.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

So did you. I maintain that this is incredibly unprofessional language for a Security Council bill, and that blaming me for not removing it doesn't do much to explain why it's there in the first place. Especially given the fact that I had no part in writing this. My vote against stands.

I'm sorry, but what the fuck are you babbling about? No one has said you write this resolution. I SAID "If this was that big of a problem for you, you had ample time to mention it earlier". Why the fuck would I mention, when I put it in there? If you are that unable to form a coherent argument, please don't post.

[Seliberari]

What is this Francoism which people have spoken about? I don't get this idea between feederites and userites.

As I see it, Feederites are dutiful citizens of NationStates who want the betterment of the region. The Userites, want only their own gain and power. The Userites deceive people and gain power purely for their own self gain. Francoism Is an ideology that ensures that the Feederites are the people in charge of the region and Userites are unable to gain any power.

The two classes recognized by Francoist Thought are the Feederites, who are the nations of their respective Pacific and seek to harness and work with the means of production (namely the Pacific region itself), and the Userites, who seek to exploit its fruits; by exploiting both the nations of the Pacific and the political structure set up within it to further their own political, military and social power.

Here is the exact explination of Feederites and Userites.

[The New Roman Nation Legion]

Despite how some may attempt to portray the NPO's ideology, the current attacks lead in Lazarus ultimately show that it is not such a great organization. The NPO is subduing a lot of natives, and destroying part of the culture of that region by instating Kim Jon Stujenske who has a tendency to banject opposition now.

[Imperium Anglorum]

What is this Francoism which people have spoken about? I don't get this idea between feederites and userites.

As I see it, Feederites are dutiful citizens of NationStates who want the betterment of the region. The Userites, want only their own gain and power. The Userites deceive people and gain power purely for their own self gain. Francoism Is an ideology that ensures that the Feederites are the people in charge of the region and Userites are unable to gain any power.

I don't get it. How are you going to prevent non-dutiful citizens from gaining power by gaining power in foreign lands? Why are there two labels? Why can't there be overlap or something? Where is the source of this dichotomisation?

[Vhearun]

I would love to vote for this, as I do find that what has happened in Lazarus and NPO's actions are deplorable. Being a Baldurian though, I can't, in any kind of good conscience, vote yay on this when - as far as has been told our region - we are not allied with NPO.

If that changes, well then I'll be wrong. It looks like this will pass anyways, and I'm glad the parts that are founded on things I do know to be true will go through. I'm upset that it means that Baldur will be painted in such a bad light based on false allegations.

[Seliberari]

As I see it, Feederites are dutiful citizens of NationStates who want the betterment of the region. The Userites, want only their own gain and power. The Userites deceive people and gain power purely for their own self gain. Francoism Is an ideology that ensures that the Feederites are the people in charge of the region and Userites are unable to gain any power.

I don't get it. How are you going to prevent non-dutiful citizens from gaining power by gaining power in foreign lands? Why are there two labels? Why can't there be overlap or something? Where is the source of this dichotomisation?

They cannot get power, because the ones in power are the ones that hand power down. It is not possible for anyone else to get power. If they gain power in foreign lands, then good for them? It does not effect our region. There cannot be an overlap, and there are two labels because there are those who work for the betterment of all, and those who work for the betterment of themselves. This system has kept the Pacific safe from raiders as well as stable and free nation. While there is little political power in the average citizen, we are free to do whatever we wish. The most power Krull has exerted upon us that I have seen is the suppression of RMB recruiters, which I find noble. I know little of the situation regarding Lazarus and the current situation there as both regions are calling everything of the other lies, but I do know that for as long as I have been here, Francoism has worked well for all. Those in power are those who earned and deserve it, and there is no oppression of the people.

[Elke and Elba]

I don't get it. How are you going to prevent non-dutiful citizens from gaining power by gaining power in foreign lands? Why are there two labels? Why can't there be overlap or something? Where is the source of this dichotomisation?

They cannot get power, because the ones in power are the ones that hand power down. It is not possible for anyone else to get power. If they gain power in foreign lands, then good for them? It does not effect our region. There cannot be an overlap, and there are two labels because there are those who work for the betterment of all, and those who work for the betterment of themselves. This system has kept the Pacific safe from raiders as well as stable and free nation. While there is little political power in the average citizen, we are free to do whatever we wish. The most power Krull has exerted upon us that I have seen is the suppression of RMB recruiters, which I find noble. I know little of the situation regarding Lazarus and the current situation there as both regions are calling everything of the other lies, but I do know that for as long as I have been here, Francoism has worked well for all. Those in power are those who earned and deserve it, and there is no oppression of the people.

"As long as you are here"? If this is your main, 165 million ain't a long time - in fact, a very short one. It's quite interesting how the machinery of the NPO have made you quite the believer in the system.

On an unrelated note, while the association of Balder within the text of the repeal isn't the most justified nor the most truest thing IMO, I believe that the callousness shown through Solorni's stance on Lazarus hasn't been helping Balder's case on getting rid of that association. Ah well.

[Seliberari]

They cannot get power, because the ones in power are the ones that hand power down. It is not possible for anyone else to get power. If they gain power in foreign lands, then good for them? It does not effect our region. There cannot be an overlap, and there are two labels because there are those who work for the betterment of all, and those who work for the betterment of themselves. This system has kept the Pacific safe from raiders as well as stable and free nation. While there is little political power in the average citizen, we are free to do whatever we wish. The most power Krull has exerted upon us that I have seen is the suppression of RMB recruiters, which I find noble. I know little of the situation regarding Lazarus and the current situation there as both regions are calling everything of the other lies, but I do know that for as long as I have been here, Francoism has worked well for all. Those in power are those who earned and deserve it, and there is no oppression of the people.

"As long as you are here"? If this is your main, 165 million ain't a long time - in fact, a very short one. It's quite interesting how the machinery of the NPO have made you quite the believer in the system.

On an unrelated note, while the association of Balder within the text of the repeal isn't the most justified nor the most truest thing IMO, I believe that the callousness shown through Solorni's stance on Lazarus hasn't been helping Balder's case on getting rid of that association. Ah well.

I am quite young, but I see a lot of older nations that say the exact same thing.

[Toronina]

What is this Francoism which people have spoken about? I don't get this idea between feederites and userites.

As I see it, Feederites are dutiful citizens of NationStates who want the betterment of the region. The Userites, want only their own gain and power. The Userites deceive people and gain power purely for their own self gain. Francoism Is an ideology that ensures that the Feederites are the people in charge of the region and Userites are unable to gain any power.

The two classes recognized by Francoist Thought are the Feederites, who are the nations of their respective Pacific and seek to harness and work with the means of production (namely the Pacific region itself), and the Userites, who seek to exploit its fruits; by exploiting both the nations of the Pacific and the political structure set up within it to further their own political, military and social power.

Here is the exact explination of Feederites and Userites.

You guys pretty much claim to fight userites when in reality you are fighting feederites.