Benevolent Thomas wrote:Not to be that guy, but I'd consider many of these regions to be in hiatus. I'd certainly say calling their contributions "consistent" is a stretch as the GRA, AWP and RLA have made minimal if any meaningful contributions since my arrival on the scene in 2012. Slightly off-topic, but would you actually support a commendation of TRR, AD?
I didn't say they are still active. If it's not clear enough: I meant they defended for much longer periods of time than RIA did.
Global Right Alliance, for example, began defending in 2006 and was a founding member of FRA. It goes through periods of ups and downs but if we add up all the time GRA's been defending, I'd say it easily exceeds 5 years.
The Rejected Realms has been defending since before my time and RRA was an active force up to 2007/2008. That's 5 years right there. It went inactive after CG went missing and GeoX took off, but enjoyed a revival after Naivetry took over and continues to be a minor but dedicated defender force since.
00000 A World Power and
The Youngworld both took turns to be the leading region of FRA. AWP started in 2007 and was active all the way to 2011. That's 4.5 years. The Youngworld began in early 2004 and was a major player of ADN and founding member of FRA. The region was defending up to 2007. That's 3.5 years right there.
RIA is easier to count because the stats from NShistory are clear. They began defending in 2004 and stopped in 2005. A long hiatus ensued until the region was resurrected in late 2013. Add that all up, it has accumulated about 3.5 years of defending.
Let's put this in perspective:
- GRA = 5+ years
- TRR = Hard to quantify since activity has been on and off, if we count all years it'll be 11 years
- AWP = 4.5 years.
- TYW = 3.5 years.
- RIA = 3.5 years
Compare that to the two regions that are currently Commended. Both TITO and Texas have 11 years and counting.
If the SC decides RIA should get a commendation, then in essence, it is saying that defending for 3.5 years is good enough to get commended. I'm not unsupportive, I know people in RIA. But I also had friends in GRA, TRR, AWP, TYW and others, many of them comrades whom defended with me for many years. Hence I'm suggesting since we are seriously discussing commending RIA, let's not forget GRA, TRR, AWP and others when we have the chance. These regions should not be forgotten by history.
Evil Wolf wrote:On a side note, however, RLA is completely undeserving of any form of reward. Their behavior was absolutely reprehensible and shouldn't be imitated by anyone in NationStates, regardless of side. You belittle your own argument by waving their name around, GRO.
Zaolat wrote:Wha!? GRA deserves to be condemned!
In the spirit of fairness. Yes, there were some reprehensible things committed by a couple of defenders who came from the communist circuit. But the actions of one or two does not negate the contributions made by all the others. Red Liberty Alliance, Allied States of Euroislanders, The Proletariat Coalition, and other communist regions produced a lot of good defenders. Blackbird and EuroSoviets don't represent all of them.
When I became a defender in 2006, the communist-aligned defender groups were already on decline. But even then, their strength easily made up 25 to 30% of the entire defending community. Many missions were not possible without help from the communists at a time when ADN had become inactive and FRA were still finding their footing. To taint all of them with a condemnation just because of Blackbird's hacking is unfair to the numerous good defenders in those regions such as Xhadam, Bamada, and Caras Way. I defended a lot with Caras Way and Bam from 2006 to 2008, and they are good people.
~GRO~
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:46 pm
