[DEFEATED] Repeal "Liberate The Mountains to the East"

[Crazy girl]

The Security Council,

Recognizing The Mountains to The East as a peaceful non-hostile community,

Angered The Mountains to The East was invaded by an aggressive multiregional force which assumed the delegacy, and placed a secret password in place, whilst simultaneously beginning to suppress native dissidence,

Shocked that the nation of Sadko, was able to hold the delegacy for over two months, and was able to accumulate sufficient influence to completely empty the region of nations,

Commending the efforts by Spiritus, The United Defenders League and others in liberating the region from The Black Riders, this returning some semblance of normalcy to the region so ravaged by invading forces,

Noting the regional natives desire to secure the region under their own control,

Aware that Security Council Resolution #164, "Liberate the Mountains to the East." while removing the secret password put in place by Sadko, also restricts the natives ability to secure the region under their own control,

Believing Security Council Resolution #164, "Liberate the Mountains to the East." has served it's ultimate goal of allowing the natives to return to their homeland,

Hereby repeals Security Council Resolution #164, "Liberate the Mountains to the East."

[Redsward]

Sigh... you just HAD to stab me in the back.

[Luke the Drifter]

Sigh... you just HAD to stab me in the back.

I'm sorry? And you are?

[Redsward]

I was waiting for Sadko to be banjected before I submitted mine, but your draft will likely reach quorum and my draft will become completely pointless...

[New Brussels]

As much as I hate to agree with Evil Wolf, he does bring up a legitimate point. This ceased being a defense, and turned into an occupation, when the forces in the region refused to turn the delegacy back over to the natives present.
When the natives are firmly in control, and wish to actually (and have the ability) to password protect the region, then I will support this. Until then no dice...

[Chester Pearson]

As much as I hate to agree with Evil Wolf, he does bring up a legitimate point. This ceased being a defense, and turned into an occupation, when the forces in the region refused to turn the delegacy back over to the natives present.
When the natives are firmly in control, and wish to actually (and have the ability) to password protect the region, then I will support this. Until then no dice...

Your point being?

[Redsward]

Chester and Luke are the same person. I can't believe you backstabbed me like this.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Chester and Luke are the same person. I can't believe you backstabbed me like this.

Do you have evidence to support that?

[Chester Pearson]

Chester and Luke are the same person. I can't believe you backstabbed me like this.

Do you have evidence to support that?

He is throwing shit against the wall, hoping it will stick. Did I give permission for my clauses to be used? I sure did.

[Redsward]

Brussels TG'ed me. He said the two are on in the same. Evidence coming soon.

[Chester Pearson]

Brussels TG'ed me. He said the two are on in the same. Evidence coming soon.

Funny, considering I never talk to Brussels. Either way, make your case....

[New Brussels]

Brussels TG'ed me. He said the two are on in the same. Evidence coming soon.

Funny, considering I never talk to Brussels. Either way, make your case....

I did file a GHR, and all I did was tell Red about what the mods said...

[Chester Pearson]

Funny, considering I never talk to Brussels. Either way, make your case....

I did file a GHR, and all I did was tell Red about what the mods said...

Oh? And what did the mods say? This is the second time I have been accused of being someone else....

[Ramaeus]

I did file a GHR, and all I did was tell Red about what the mods said...

In my experience, the mods rarely reveal the identity of a puppet unless the situation is severe enough to warrant it.

[New Brussels]

21 hours ago: Chester Pearson was admitted to the World Assembly.
21 hours ago: Chester Pearson applied to join the World Assembly.
1 day 1 hour ago: Chester Pearson resigned from the World Assembly.

1 day 1 hour ago: Luke the Drifter resigned from the World Assembly.
1 day 1 hour ago: Luke the Drifter submitted a proposal to the Security Council Repeals Board entitled "Repeal "Liberate The Mountains to the East"".
1 day 1 hour ago: Luke the Drifter was admitted to the World Assembly.
1 day 1 hour ago: Luke the Drifter applied to join the World Assembly.

No disrespect for Chester intended, but if the puppet is indeed his, then his action is low. Extremely low. I mean, you did know Red has had his proposal for some time, and given the recent "middle school squabbling" you two had, it was a way to cut him down without getting in trouble with the mods. He was holding his draft off partly because of you too

When the natives are firmly in control, and wish to actually (and have the ability) to password protect the region, then I will support this. Until then no dice...

If you choose to deny that the puppet is yours, fine by me.

[We Are Not the NSA]

21 hours ago: Chester Pearson was admitted to the World Assembly.
21 hours ago: Chester Pearson applied to join the World Assembly.
1 day 1 hour ago: Chester Pearson resigned from the World Assembly.

1 day 1 hour ago: Luke the Drifter resigned from the World Assembly.
1 day 1 hour ago: Luke the Drifter submitted a proposal to the Security Council Repeals Board entitled "Repeal "Liberate The Mountains to the East"".
1 day 1 hour ago: Luke the Drifter was admitted to the World Assembly.
1 day 1 hour ago: Luke the Drifter applied to join the World Assembly.

No disrespect for Chester intended, but if the puppet is indeed his, then his action is low. Extremely low. I mean, you did know Red has had his proposal for some time, and given the recent "middle school squabbling" you two had, it was a way to cut him down without getting in trouble with the mods. He was holding his draft off partly because of you too

When the natives are firmly in control, and wish to actually (and have the ability) to password protect the region, then I will support this. Until then no dice...

If you choose to deny that the puppet is yours, fine by me.

What did the mods say?

[Redsward]

Here's the image for clarification.

[Luke the Drifter]

Here's the image for clarification.

(Image)

So Brussels is a mod now and would have access to that information?

[Zaolat]

Funny, considering I never talk to Brussels. Either way, make your case....

I did file a GHR, and all I did was tell Red about what the mods said...

^

[Cormac Stark]

As fascinating as all this Security Council drama isn't, I have a question regarding the actual repeal rather than who's authoring it in an attempt to destroy whose Security Council career:

Does this have any native support? The proposal by Redsward claims it does, but neither native listed in that proposal has commented in the Security Council that they support the proposal nor has any evidence of their support been provided, as far as I can tell. Knowing whether natives actually support this repeal is far more vital than knowing if the author is one of Chester's puppets.

[Ramaeus]

In my capacity as WA adviser to the Delegate of The East Pacific: The East Pacific has voted AGAINST this proposal. The Mountains to the East is currently in an immensely fragile position. In the future, another occupying force will, in all likelihood, invade the region. Making their goal that much harder for them is reason enough to keep the Liberation in place.

Refound failures are taken badly. Nazi Europe and Hogwarts are examples. Both regions were eventually successfully refounded, largely because of the mass of the accumulated forces in Nazi Europe and the raiders being able to keep a hold on Hogwarts. Enabling a password so soon after the raiders botched the job is inadvisable.

[Dark Rider Lord]

1. The region was not liberate by defenders, it was empty when they came in.

2. It's was not a botched job, the region was empty at update and should have ceased to exist, unfortunately a server glitch prevented that.

[Xoriet]

1. The region was not liberate by defenders, it was empty when they came in.

2. It's was not a botched job, the region was empty at update and should have ceased to exist, unfortunately a server glitch prevented that.

No, it wasn't liberated by normal means. But it certainly was a failure, server glitch or no, because you no longer have it and an enemy force does. At one point it was an active region. Remnants of that community yet linger. Handing the occupiers another chance to password it even for a few short days? Maybe it has no longer the majority of the former natives, but the region itself doesn't need to be refounded by glorified trophy collectors.* There are different types of refound, but this is one of the cases to oppose utterly.

Show me evidence that natives want this and I will have real reason to change my stance. I'll respect that by taking a less hostile stance with this resolution and encouraging my region to not oppose it. Prove that the natives fully support a Liberation repeal, and I will both reconsider and request that my region also do so, but until then, I will vote against and encourage TEP do the same. The author doesn't appear to have that, and forcing something on natives is the same kind of invasive action as actually invading.

As far as I am concerned, the only people who have the right to refound the region are the natives themselves. The only consideration I would take into account to support this is that the people of the region believe that a repeal is good. If anyone should have a voice here, it is them.

*Apologies to the few TBR raiders I actually like and respect.

[Dark Rider Lord]

1. The region was not liberate by defenders, it was empty when they came in.

2. It's was not a botched job, the region was empty at update and should have ceased to exist, unfortunately a server glitch prevented that.

No, it wasn't liberated by normal means. But it certainly was a failure, server glitch or no, because you no longer have it and an enemy force does. At one point it was an active region. Remnants of that community yet linger. Handing the occupiers another chance to password it even for a few short days? Maybe it has no longer the majority of the former natives, but the region itself doesn't need to be refounded by glorified trophy collectors.* There are different types of refound, but this is one of the cases to oppose utterly.

Show me evidence that natives want this and I will have real reason to change my stance. I'll respect that by taking a less hostile stance with this resolution and encouraging my region to not oppose it. Prove that the natives fully support a Liberation repeal, and I will both reconsider and request that my region also do so, but until then, I will vote against and encourage TEP do the same. The author doesn't appear to have that, and forcing something on natives is the same kind of invasive action as actually invading.

As far as I am concerned, the only people who have the right to refound the region are the natives themselves. The only consideration I would take into account to support this is that the people of the region believe that a repeal is good. If anyone should have a voice here, it is them.

*Apologies to the few TBR raiders I actually like and respect.

It was a failure, but not a botched job, as it was not our failure.

[Drewlantis]

I suppose the question comes down to whether the Mountains to the East has successfully re-established themselves, and is in a situation in which they can protect themselves. So, as I am still unfamiliar to this situation, I must inquire, is the governing body of The Mountains to the East in the hands of the natives? And are they in a position by which they can astutely defend themselves from attacks? If yes then an occupying force is not necessary in the least, for it is no longer a peace-keeping organization, but rather a new invading force masquerading under the title of "liberators." I do condemn anyone who is/has liberated said region, but if the two previously asked questions are answered with a "yes" then the time might have come for this to be repealed.