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[PASSED] Repeal "Marine Debris Accord"

Postby Mundiferrum » Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:59 pm

If the resolution doesn't die down in three days (and, judging by the amount of support it's currently getting, I don't think it will), I plan on submitting this. It is kind of bad, so I hope you all manage to help make it better in the next few days.

On the new draft: just a few minor edits, mostly on the subject-verb mishaps I noticed.

On the even newer draft: a few more minor edits, plus a bit of expansion on the first point. Hopefully, this draft would be the final one.

The World Assembly,

Recognizing that marine pollution is greatly destabilizing the marine environment and endangering the economies of various sea-dependent nations,

Arguing that the resolution "Marine Debris Accord" doesn't help cleanly enough with the aforementioned problem, in that:

Firstly, marine debris is badly defined, so that standard procedures such as burial at sea, naval warfare, and even environmentally conscious actions like the sinking of non-biodegradable materials for the creation of new coral reefs and the releasing of environment monitoring probes and buoys, are practically barred by the resolution;

Secondly, the treatment of waste is also badly defined, so that, for example, even waste that is simply made to look shiny can be considered as treated waste, and discharged into the environment without other, more important considerations in mind, like biodegradability or lack of hazardous materials;

Thirdly, the terms on the loss of fishing nets would be a major impediment on the meager economies of many nations in this assembly, as it focuses more on the loss of the nets, rather than the longevity of the nets' materials;

and Finally, the restrictions imposed upon ships close off situations in which the ships must jettison cargo for their own integrity, thus preventing worse environmental situations, such as the ships sinking themselves;

Thus concluding that the resolution, though fair in its ideals, requires more work before finally being accepted by this assembly,

Hereby Repeals General Assembly Resolution #309, Marine Debris Accord.


The World Assembly,

Recognizing that marine pollution is a very bad thing, since it's destabilizing the marine environment and endangering the economies of various sea-dependent nations,

Arguing that the resolution "Marine Debris Accord" doesn't help cleanly enough with the aforementioned problem, in that

Firstly, marine debris is badly defined, so that standard procedures such as burial at sea, marine environment monitoring, or naval warfare is practically barred by the resolution;

Secondly, the treatment of waste is also badly defined, so that, for example, even waste that is simply made to look shiny can be considered as untreated waste, and discharged into the environment without other, more important considerations in mind, like biodegradability and lack of hazardous materials;

Thirdly, the terms on the loss of fishing nets could be a major impediment upon the meager economies of many nations of this assembly, as it focuses more on the loss of the nets, rather than the longevity of the nets' materials;

and Finally, the restrictions imposed upon ships closes off situations in which the ships must jettison cargo for their own integrity, thus preventing worse environmental situations such as the ships sinking themselves;

Thus concluding that the resolution, though fair in its ideals, requires more work before being finally accepted by the World Assembly,

Hereby Repeals General Assembly Resolution #309, Marine Debris Accord.

The World Assembly,

Recognizing that marine pollution is a very bad thing, since it's destabilizing the marine environment and endangering the economies of various sea-dependent nations,

Arguing that the resolution "Marine Debris Accord" doesn't help cleanly enough with the aforementioned problem, in that:

Firstly, marine debris is badly defined, so that standard procedures such as burial at sea, marine environment monitoring, coral reef expansion, or naval warfare are practically barred by the resolution;

Secondly, the treatment of waste is also badly defined, so that, for example, even waste that is simply made to look shiny can be considered as untreated waste, and discharged into the environment without other, more important considerations in mind, like biodegradability or lack of hazardous materials;

Thirdly, the terms on the loss of fishing nets could be a major impediment on the meager economies of many nations of this assembly, as it focuses more on the loss of the nets, rather than the longevity of the nets' materials;

and Finally, the restrictions imposed upon ships close off situations in which the ships must jettison cargo for their own integrity, thus preventing worse environmental situations, such as the ships sinking themselves;

Thus concluding that the resolution, though fair in its ideals, requires more work before finally being accepted by this assembly,

Hereby Repeals General Assembly Resolution #309, Marine Debris Accord.
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Postby Eldridge Crossings » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:53 am

I support a repeal because the current proposal on docket is very dangerous due to key error in its definition. It can used for the wrong reason. Here are the problems.
1)Defines marine debris as being any material unable of rapid degradation having been intentionally or unintentionally disposed of or discarded in any marine environment;......Humans and living things can now be considered as debris because they dont degrad fast enough and nations can therefore use this law as a weapon or defense.

2) Since the industry is paying for this they can have someone killed at their expense if they dont like them.

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Postby Elke and Elba » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:04 am

I have been too worn to process that entire gargantuan resolution and its arguments, but I believe the resolution number for that will be #309.

Best regards and good luck, though!
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Postby Bergananda » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:57 pm

i belive and agree with this repeal the amount of damage marine derby is causing is little and or finances would be better spent on renewable energy and other such things.

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Postby Defwa » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:01 pm

Bergananda wrote:i belive and agree with this repeal the amount of damage marine derby is causing is little and or finances would be better spent on renewable energy and other such things.

Derby? You mean Herby's cousin?
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Postby Mundiferrum » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:29 pm

Bergananda wrote:i belive and agree with this repeal the amount of damage marine derby is causing is little and or finances would be better spent on renewable energy and other such things.

Of course, I don't actually plan on repealing it because the problem with marine debris isn't that, er, big. It's pretty big, actually (OOC note: d'you know that in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, they've managed to find this massive island composed solely of plastic trash, acidifying the ocean and killing a lot of little fishies?), and this proposal is meant more to facilitate a repeal and replace.
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Postby Chester Pearson » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:41 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Could be comprised of ABBA lyrics and I'd support. If the target's author wanders back in here, I'll Defenestrate them..."


Now let us not be hasty here. With this they did prevent that monstrosity of Auralia's from going to vote.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:43 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Could be comprised of ABBA lyrics and I'd support. If the target's author wanders back in here, I'll Defenestrate them..."


Now let us not be hasty here. With this they did prevent that monstrosity of Auralia's from going to vote.

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Postby Nickel Empire » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:44 pm

I just don't want my economy to be damaged. :(
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Separatist Peoples wrote:
Chester Pearson wrote:
Now let us not be hasty here. With this they did prevent that monstrosity of Auralia's from going to vote.

"It wasn't supposed to pass, though! I've begged TNP to switch it's vote but I've had no luck."


I understand, but this temporary setback really is for the greater good....
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Postby Defwa » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:54 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"It wasn't supposed to pass, though! I've begged TNP to switch it's vote but I've had no luck."


I understand, but this temporary setback really is for the greater good....

I haven't heard any word on Universal Jurisdiction getting removed yet. Of course, it took two days for a mod to even sticky the at vote proposal.
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Postby South Caeus » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:54 pm

Bergananda wrote:i belive and agree with this repeal the amount of damage marine derby is causing is little and or finances would be better spent on renewable energy and other such things.


I agree. Also, the definition is not very specific on whether the marine debris act affects only waterbodies, or other forms of liquid bodies, such as methane lakes, etc.
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Postby Mundiferrum » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:34 am

South Caeus wrote:
Bergananda wrote:i belive and agree with this repeal the amount of damage marine derby is causing is little and or finances would be better spent on renewable energy and other such things.


I agree. Also, the definition is not very specific on whether the marine debris act affects only waterbodies, or other forms of liquid bodies, such as methane lakes, etc.

Oh, that point I disagree with. Marine is a specific enough term for its purposes. (OOC: it means "of, found of, or produced in the sea", says Google. But yes, marine means related to the sea or ocean) But anyway...
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Postby Mundiferrum » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:12 pm

If no one's spotted any other big errors with this, I'm gonna submit this more hastily than the resolution it's gonna try to repeal (in about 26 hours).
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Postby Ha Aretz HaMuvtahat » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:04 pm

I for one, am against the repeal. We need to think of the environment over money. Money is paper, the environment is what sustains us.
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Postby Germany Fascist Republic » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:09 pm

I'm probably against this. The economy could go a bit lower which it needs to be at a regular standard.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:22 pm

Mundiferrum wrote:If no one's spotted any other big errors with this, I'm gonna submit this more hastily than the resolution it's gonna try to repeal (in about 26 hours).


I'd be safe and remove those remaining contractions - it's a nitpick, but I can see a bunch of nations who didn't quite get the full ramifications of the target resolution seeing them and rendering summary judgment on this. Also the phrase "very bad thing" might be better rendered some other way ("...is extremely detrimental to the marine environment, and dangerous to the economies of...").

The substance is just fine.
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Postby Chester Pearson » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:23 pm

Ha Aretz HaMuvtahat wrote:I for one, am against the repeal. We need to think of the environment over money. Money is paper, the environment is what sustains us.


The resolution is being replaced, not only repealed....
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Postby Defwa » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:24 pm

Ha Aretz HaMuvtahat wrote:I for one, am against the repeal. We need to think of the environment over money. Money is paper, the environment is what sustains us.

The original was not a well finished product. The repeal doesn't really complain about the cost. We need to replace this with a better resolution as the present one will fail in its intent.

I'll be back later tonight with additions
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Postby Tinfect » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:58 pm

Ha Aretz HaMuvtahat wrote:I for one, am against the repeal. We need to think of the environment over money. Money is paper, the environment is what sustains us.



Well, Money may be Paper in Your Nation, but that is not even relevant to the target proposal, or the repeal. I suggest giving a proper reading to the target propsal.
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Postby Defwa » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:39 pm

I would like to see mention of the fact that this prevents the creation of artificial reefs, bans burial at sea (which is an ancient and well respected tradition in many cultures), and does not differentiate between an air craft carrier and a row boat.

There are respectable necessary uses for debris dumping.
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Postby Normlpeople » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:54 pm

"I was going to author a repeal myself, you did touch on most of my major issues. It bans the discharge of completely safe biological material, such as carcasses & corpses, which could lead to further risk to a crew.

It also completely outlaws naval warfare, since any weapons used are 'marine pollution'; in fact, sinking an enemy vessel would count as well. Makes me wonder how enforcement is possible as called for in the original draft.

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Postby Mundiferrum » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:05 pm

Ha Aretz HaMuvtahat wrote:I for one, am against the repeal. We need to think of the environment over money. Money is paper, the environment is what sustains us.

I think you failed to read the repeal, or the original resolution. Marine Debris Accord even bans such procedures as coral reef expansion (since the stuff you'll need to sink there is considered marine debris) and the monitoring of the marine environment (since marine probes are also part of the Marine Debris Accord's definition of marine debris). Plus, as ambassador Pearson said over there, I'm going for a repeal and replace, not just repeal (I'm hoping that it'd be the original resolution's author to draft the replace, since MDA's already rather fair, it just needs all these edits and all that).

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OOC: Sorry, what? Or are you referring to stats and stuff, which I honestly can't respond to.

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Mundiferrum wrote:If no one's spotted any other big errors with this, I'm gonna submit this more hastily than the resolution it's gonna try to repeal (in about 26 hours).


I'd be safe and remove those remaining contractions - it's a nitpick, but I can see a bunch of nations who didn't quite get the full ramifications of the target resolution seeing them and rendering summary judgment on this. Also the phrase "very bad thing" might be better rendered some other way ("...is extremely detrimental to the marine environment, and dangerous to the economies of...").

The substance is just fine.

Will do, right after (OOC:lunch) lunch. The "very bad thing" part was really just me running out of words, but again, yeah, I'll do all of that.

Defwa wrote:I would like to see mention of the fact that this prevents the creation of artificial reefs, bans burial at sea (which is an ancient and well respected tradition in many cultures), and does not differentiate between an air craft carrier and a row boat.

There are respectable necessary uses for debris dumping.

I already mentioned it (expansion essentially means the same thing, I think, when it comes to coral reefs, and burial at sea's been noted already). But recalling Sierra Lyricalia's note, yeah, I'll have to expand that in the current draft.
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Postby Defwa » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:09 pm

Oh hadn't seen the second draft. Carry on then.
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