[PASSED] Condemn North Korea

[New Grestin]

I'm going to stop parroting the fact that I originally made this condemnation out of sympathy and solidarity with Slavija and not for Libertatem. But whatever. Anyway I abandoned this except that I now just want to see it out, and I'll support a repeal if it passes since North Korea deserves better

Please read the condemnation, IT'S NOT LITERALLY NORTH KOREA. Don't even vote for this biased and hypocritical condemnation, because the region that the OP is in (Libertatem) has invaded multiple regions without anyone giving a shit.

Nah, everyone knows that North Korea is run like the actual North Korea. Just look at their constitution.

Because that makes this totally justifiable.

[Central Asian Republics]

Nah, everyone knows that North Korea is run like the actual North Korea. Just look at their constitution.

I suggest reading the posts of those who are supporting your hypocrisy... they think it's the real North Korea.

[Mr S]

Well I'd just like to point out that the region Slavja was a colony of Nazi BLITZKRIEG for a long time. (Till I refounded it from them later)

So North Korea's concern for letting Slavya fall into Nazi hands is more than legitimate.

Personally I always prefer to see a region in it's native's hands, but the fact they didn't trust the region to fascist claiming it's there's doesn't surprise me.

This doesn't really speak to me as malicious intent.

Furthermore so many regions have done worse and to more regions, I really don't think North Korea warrants a Condemning.

[HMS Unicorn]

Following a unanimous vote against in TNP's forum poll, I have voted against the resolution.

I am surprised to see this passing. Like others I would attribute it to people not reading the text and assuming this is relating to the real world North Korea.

If the author honestly did not consider the resolution ready, they should have filed a GHR to have it pulled from the queue - there was plenty of time for that. Right now it looks like they're just content to get the SC author badge, while pretending not to care or to have "abandoned" the resolution.

[Socialist Assembly Marxists]

I'm going to stop parroting the fact that I originally made this condemnation out of sympathy and solidarity with Slavija and not for Libertatem. But whatever. Anyway I abandoned this except that I now just want to see it out, and I'll support a repeal if it passes since North Korea deserves better

Please read the condemnation, IT'S NOT LITERALLY NORTH KOREA. Don't even vote for this biased and hypocritical condemnation, because the region that the OP is in (Libertatem) has invaded multiple regions without anyone giving a shit.

Nah, everyone knows that North Korea is run like the actual North Korea. Just look at their constitution.

There is a grain of truth to that, however, I've found it more productive to have a good debate with them, including the 'oppressive speech' nonsense.
Anyway, if you support the so-called free speech you espouse your region mates wouldn't have tag raided Das Kommune and suppressed some of their posts. At least NK is consistent, Libatatem cannot decide whether it is anarchy, or minimum statist, (which by the way, Marxists aim for a partial state, eg, abolition of the standing army and for a workers militia - a partial state that withers away). And one thing both the residents of Libatatem and NK believe Reagan and Kim are something they were not.

Yet more irony: You lot idolise and raise Reagan to a cult, but if you'd read the general forum you would see us demolish the libertarian Reagan myth. Yes, that's right, big government, statist Reagan was a military Keynesian.

[Giskola]

I think all nations/regions with EXTREME similarities to North Korea should be condemned.

[Panait]

"Our government was prepared to ABSTAIN on all liberations/repeal liberation resolutions in whose nominees are not well known or understood by our nation; however, what we see here indicates fillers, moot and inconsequential reasonings, and major hypocrisies. With reasons to believe the majority of FOR nations see this as a resolution to condemn the North Korean nation, and the potential fact that this resolution is a strife of naïveté, we vote AGAINST this resolution."

[Central Asian Republics]

I think all nations/regions with EXTREME similarities to North Korea should be condemned.

I don't, I'd rather look at what a region does instead of reading the name of the region.

[Arcadia Scorpia]

It seems that this proposal is going to pass merely on the basis of name alone. I suspect when we create the counter proposal, we MUST create a statement, preferably in the first few opening lines, that clearly explains that the initial condemnation was directed at a region, NOT the real world nation of North Korea.

[Funkytopia2]

It seems that this proposal is going to pass merely on the basis of name alone.

Or perhaps because their region is intolerant of dissent, undemocratic, and loathed by all except for the most totalitarian of left-wing nations?

"Democratic centralism" = You can vote for whatever you like, so long as it's the party line. LOL

[THE DEFENDER ALLIANCE]

It seems that this proposal is going to pass merely on the basis of name alone.

Or perhaps because their region is intolerant of dissent, undemocratic, and loathed by all except for the most totalitarian of left-wing nations?

"Democratic centralism" = You can vote for whatever you like, so long as it's the party line. LOL

There is no totalitarianism, not in a region that has votes and polls that it abides by.
Democratic centralism is no different from your bourgeois democracy, a vote is held and the majority wins, end of story. This proposal will pass on name alone, if that wasn't obvious in the first two days it's most certainly obvious today.

I don't want a repeal to be put in place, we'll wear the condemnation as a badge that we are terrifying our political enemies - so much so that this proposal was put forward in the first place.

Thank you for the increase in activity, this proposal has brought our region to the world stage and some 7000 World Assembly nations have observed and voted in the last three days.

[Funkytopia]

Democracy does not exist without the opportunity to deliberate and present genuinely different ideas. An election has no meaning when there is only one real side presented as an option and an election has no consequence if there isn't a possibility that the ruling government will lose.

The conflict between Liberatem and the illiberal-left regions presents a choice between two realities. Libertatem welcomes heterodoxy and the chance to explore the full spectrum of ideas. North Korea and its allies represent an insular society, fearful of exposure to any new ideas that might topple their carefully constructed ideological house of cards.

As a member of Libertatem's governing board, I represent the Anti-Corporatist Party. Other Libertatem political parties have in the past included the Libertarian Socialist Party and, yes, even a Communist Party. If you're so assured of your system's superiority, why not permit the formation of a Capitalist Party and see how long your region survives with any degree of genuine political competition?

[Daburuetchi]

No communist party worth its salt would repeat the mistakes of the Comintern during the second world war would limit the slogan of world struggle to simply defeating fascism and restoring bourgeois democracy in the fascist countries. In Marxism and the National Question Comrade Stalin rightly points out:

"The obligations of Social-Democracy, which defends the interests of the proletariat, and the rights of a nation, which consists of various classes, are two different things.

In fighting for the right of nations to self-determination, the aim of Social-Democracy is to put an end to the policy of national oppression, to render it impossible, and thereby to remove the grounds of strife between nations, to take the edge off that strife and reduce it to a minimum."

It is true Marxist Leninist support national liberation movements and self determination because as comrade Zak Brown writes in Parasitism Theory” and Blurring the Lines: A Reply to Mike Ely "national liberation opens the field for proletarian leadership within the struggle for national liberation."

But to distort the slogan of national liberation, which is in the interest of proletarian internationalism to mean acceptance of harmful institutions and customs which run counter to the interest of proletarian internationalism is opportunism.

As Mao Zedong writes in Combat Liberalism

"We stand for active ideological struggle because it is the weapon for ensuring unity within the Party and the revolutionary organizations in the interest of our fight. Every Communist and revolutionary should take up this weapon.

But liberalism rejects ideological struggle and stands for unprincipled peace, thus giving rise to a decadent, Philistine attitude and bringing about political degeneration in certain units and individuals in the Party and the revolutionary organizations."

Not combating degenerate ideas such as racism would be acting against the interest of the proletariat. North Korea could not proclaim itself as a communist region and not do so. Nor could any region call itself communist and not export the revolution by force if material conditions favored such a measure.

This proposal is nothing more than a smokescreen for imperialist nations to spread opportunism within the communist movement.
The region of North Korea resolutely clings to the line of Marxism Leninism and as such should be supported by all freedom loving nation states.

[Nephmir]

It never fails. Every condemnation has to have the phrase "The Black Riders" in it. Every time.

[Giskola]

I think all nations/regions with EXTREME similarities to North Korea should be condemned.

I don't, I'd rather look at what a region does instead of reading the name of the region.

That's what I mean, similarities to what North Korea (The NS Country, Of course) does.

[Daburuetchi]

Normally, as a social democrat, I wouldn't support half the stuff a libertarian puts out, but this I can agree with.
Of course, all the raiders are gonna come here and say that their fun overrules ours because it involves messing our day up, so...

But both you and libertarians are parties fit for imperialism and naturally seek to prevent the fulfillment of the aims of the revolutionary proletariat. It is natural that you should collude with another bourgeois party from time to time. As Lenin said the struggle for socialism in the advanced countries is a sham unless accompanied by the liberation of millions of oppressed neocolonial peoples. Your social democracy is but a tool to maintain the rule of capital.

[Daburuetchi]

It seems that this proposal is going to pass merely on the basis of name alone.

Or perhaps because their region is intolerant of dissent, undemocratic, and loathed by all except for the most totalitarian of left-wing nations?

"Democratic centralism" = You can vote for whatever you like, so long as it's the party line. LOL

As Lenin said:

Everyone is free to write and say whatever he likes, without any restrictions. But every voluntary association (including the party) is also free to expel members who use the name of the party to advocate anti-party views. Freedom of speech and the press must be complete. But then freedom of association must be complete too. I am bound to accord you, in the name of free speech, the full right to shout, lie and write to your heart’s content. But you are bound to grant me, in the name of freedom of association, the right to enter into, or withdraw from, association with people advocating this or that view. The party is a voluntary association, which would inevitably break up, first ideologically and then physically, if it did not cleanse itself of people advocating anti-party views.

[Daburuetchi]

As a member of Libertatem's governing board, I represent the Anti-Corporatist Party. Other Libertatem political parties have in the past included the Libertarian Socialist Party and, yes, even a Communist Party. If you're so assured of your system's superiority, why not permit the formation of a Capitalist Party and see how long your region survives with any degree of genuine political competition?[/quote]

To paraphrase Marx in Neue Rheinische Zeitung. Every provisional organisation of the state after a revolution requires an energetic dictatorship to smash the remnants of the old institutions and prevent reactionary attempts of the obsolete governments to regain power. Just because a revolution has succeeded in one or more countries does not mean the capitalist class will no desperately fight to regain its lost paradise. To deny the existence of class struggle within any state and to simply proclaim it as a state of the whole people is the same petty bourgeois opportunism the Khrushchevites used to kill the Soviet Union. In no way would any sane government allow the reactionary opposition to consolidate power and put a bayonet in the oppostion. Just look the Alien and Sedition acts or the Palmer raids conducted by the USA.

The Soviet System is indeed superior to your irrational economic system. as Mao Zeodong writes:
"The socialist system is incomparably superior to the capitalist system. In socialist society, the dictatorship of the proletariat replaces bourgeois dictatorship and the public ownership of the means of production replaces private ownership. The proletariat, from being an oppressed and exploited class, turns into a ruling class and a fundamental change takes place in the social position of the working people. Exercising dictatorship over a few exploiters only, the state of the dictatorship of the proletariat practices the broadest democracy among the masses of the working people, a democracy that is impossible in capitalist society. The nationalisation of industry and collectivization of agriculture open wide vistas for the vigorous development of the social productive forces, ensuring a rate of growth incomparably greater than that in any older society."

No one could possibly take your proposal of allowing liberal opportunism to spread amongst the masses.

[Daburuetchi]

I don't want a repeal to be put in place, we'll wear the condemnation as a badge that we are terrifying our political enemies - so much so that this proposal was put forward in the first place.

Thank you for the increase in activity, this proposal has brought our region to the world stage and some 7000 World Assembly nations have observed and voted in the last three days.

Uraa well said comrade! Marxism Leninism has always explained the necessity and the means of conducting struggle. The fascist are quaking in their jack boots over one region with a revolutionary ideology!