[PASSED] Individual Working Freedoms II

[Chester Pearson]

Um....

Did you even read past the title? This gives all the power to the EMPLOYER, not the trade unions. Your ignorance will never cease to amaze me....

"Rather, it gives all the power to the government to hand out as it sees fit, but I do share your incredulity at the Jakusan ambassador's reading interpretation skills, Chester. Perhaps this will help?"

Bell hands another parcel to the Jakusan delegation, this one partially wrapped in brown paper and partially in scraps of a crusty "Jugs" magazine long abandoned by Senator Sulla, discovered under a desk during a glue-huffing binge.

"A standard C.D.S.P. high school primer on literature interpretation, ambassador. Focused on Fiction, I'm afraid, but the premise is the same. And, er, try not to touch that corner - yes that one there...there you are.

"At any rate, I'm pleased to see this passing. That out to put the kibosh on the 30 hour workweek crowd!"

*Carefully handing the pornographic material to a male intern, who seems to salivate on seeing it*

Hang on a minute! You lot actually want to give out all the power to the employer? How rich is that! You claim to be socialist nations yet you are doing something that is completely different! How sanctimonious is that? And of course we should be realising that giving the employer all the power isn't a good thing is it? Especially if he can find a way to exploit his work force and to effectively restrict the freedoms of his workers. And of course I'll expect you to say "ahh no it's covered in the smallprint" but what about things we don't know about?

Ambassadors, you never cease to amuse me.

Obviously you missed my post a while back, so I will link it for you:

viewtopic.php?p=21603056#p21603056

Read that, and you will see why I am such an ardent supporter of this....

[Gruenfeld]

If ever there's a resolution passed that would do anything this bill seeks to prohibit, you can be damn sure it'll have to be more broad-minded, nuanced, surgically targeted, and just plain flat-out friggin' better than the drivel the ambassador from Gruenfeld so reasonably castigates.

Leave me alone! I have nothing to do with this!

The Ambassador from Gruenfeld
NOT Gruenberg

[Normlpeople]

Clover stood up, looking far more refreshed than usual after her brief vacation "I will announce my vote FOR this proposal. While I do not believe any legislation is necessary in this particular issue, I will support this rather than the...... misguided drafts on this subject currently circulating these chambers."

[Chester Pearson]

If ever there's a resolution passed that would do anything this bill seeks to prohibit, you can be damn sure it'll have to be more broad-minded, nuanced, surgically targeted, and just plain flat-out friggin' better than the drivel the ambassador from Gruenfeld so reasonably castigates.

Leave me alone! I have nothing to do with this!

The Ambassador from Gruenfeld
NOT Gruenberg

Okay Herby, can we see your next puppet please?

[Araraukar]

If you have something relevant to say, say it here.

He already did, on the previous page. Why he chose to C&P it into a dispatch and then link to it as though we haven't read it already is beyond me.

OOC: Heh, I didn't even look at the dispatch, hence my comment. If he thought we missed it, he could've just reposted it, like others do...

[Gruenfeld]

Leave me alone! I have nothing to do with this!

The Ambassador from Gruenfeld
NOT Gruenberg

Okay Herby, can we see your next puppet please?

LOL, I'm probably not who you think I am. Let's play a game. Five guesses. GO!

[Sierra Lyricalia]

Leave me alone! I have nothing to do with this!
The Ambassador from Gruenfeld
NOT Gruenberg

Egad! I sincerely apologize for that. I owe you both a drink, I think.

And, ambassador Zelweke, I'm afraid the C.D.S.P. government's first and foremost goal is to protect her citizens. A blocker serves to do this more effectively then holding my breath waiting for a proper resolution, and what other nations' choose to do with their workers is a distant second in our list of concerns."

Indeed. We'll continue to disagree about the utility and necessity of the blocker, but it would hardly be reasonable for me to argue further.

[Araraukar]

LOL, I'm probably not who you think I am. Let's play a game. Five guesses. GO!

OOC: Let's not. As in, I don't care, and you're not the topic of this thread.

[Gruenfeld]

LOL, I'm probably not who you think I am. Let's play a game. Five guesses. GO!

OOC: Let's not. As in, I don't care, and you're not the topic of this thread.

Party pooper.

[Jakuso]

This resolution could not have possibly worked out better for The Federation. As we are technically not members, and thus not legally bound by the terms of this, The Council has decided to change a few words to make this better. The council, has decided to extend these freedoms only to non-citizens such as those engaged on our "temporary foreign workers program". As corporations in member nations are now permitted to work their employees to death, production in those nations will skyrocket. As such, the need for raw materials will also skyrocket, and The Federation will gladly supply those resources at "reasonable" costs. At the same time, produced materials will flood the market, allow us to import them at rock bottom prices. Our economy is expected to triple because of this one resolution....

Like I said, very well done Gruen!

Warmest regards,

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Chester, Chester, Chester. I thank you for showing me this on the Assembly records, but just like you don't care as to why I'm voting against, I don't see why I need to know what your motives are. But seriously, thank you.

Now what I'll say is that just because this benefits one nation doesn't mean it'll benefit another. In Yakus' case, this certainly wouldn't benefit us. Because we have laws that try to give employers and employees virtually equal and fair rights at work. Just some of the remnants of the late General Lesscott's Democratic Socialist policies that were still much in force in the 1980s when Aladros Tamin took over as Governor-General, but thanks the the Liberal Party they have been well reformed to support a growing and more prosperous Yakusan economy.

And whilst they're at it, the Yakusan Federal Government are working on legislature to allow them a bit more autonomy from the WA; we are trying to make it easier for us to adapt our own laws around some resolutions of course, but some resolutions that we can't reallyu follow then we shall have to veto officially in parliament or just amend to our needs.

[Herby]

Leave me alone! I have nothing to do with this!

The Ambassador from Gruenfeld
NOT Gruenberg

Okay Herby, can we see your next puppet please?

Sorry, sir, I'm not Gruenfield. Try again. (Or not.)

To get back on topic, I'm quite pleased about this. Some of us cars work far more than thirty hours a week, so we're quite happy we can toil longer and get more pay. It should also keep our, vroom, rowdier folk from roaming the sidewalks at all hours, abusing ethanol and chasing dogs. Fine job, Gruenwagon.

[Separatist Peoples]

Chester, Chester, Chester. I thank you for showing me this on the Assembly records, but just like you don't care as to why I'm voting against, I don't see why I need to know what your motives are. But seriously, thank you.

Now what I'll say is that just because this benefits one nation doesn't mean it'll benefit another. In Yakus' case, this certainly wouldn't benefit us. Because we have laws that try to give employers and employees virtually equal and fair rights at work. Just some of the remnants of the late General Lesscott's Democratic Socialist policies that were still much in force in the 1980s when Aladros Tamin took over as Governor-General, but thanks the the Liberal Party they have been well reformed to support a growing and more prosperous Yakusan economy.

And whilst they're at it, the Yakusan Federal Government are working on legislature to allow them a bit more autonomy from the WA; we are trying to make it easier for us to adapt our own laws around some resolutions of course, but some resolutions that we can't reallyu follow then we shall have to veto officially in parliament or just amend to our needs.

"I like how you gloss over entirely your incorrect assumption that my nation was socialist and tendered no correction or response. It fits your profile, ambassador. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the WA gnomes force you to change your laws. They sneak in and change them. It's unavoidable. Thus why we love loopholes so much here."

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

I really gotta say, I just can't get over Mousebumples' strong sovereigntist stance against this resolution. Not to mention the "Modern NatSov" region of Osiris and (naturally) Gatesville. Keep up the good work, guys!

[Gruenberg]

The main videoscreen in the Assembly hall activates. Lori Jiffjeff appears, reclining on a sun lounger on a beach. Behind her, children play cricket, goats frolick in the sea spray, and whalers lovingly polish their harpoons. She is flanked by a (virgin) cocktail served in a Vibrant Coconut shell and a huge stack of briefing notes; above her head flies the flag of the Gruenberger Overseas Affiliate Territory.

"Greetings, infidels.

"My apologies for not attending the debate on our proposal in person, but unfortunately the Sub-Viziery for Feet was unable to secure diplomatic immunity for me in time. I would like to thank those who have defended the proposal in my stead, as well as those who have offered considered criticism.

"The burden of interpretation in international law lies with each individual nation. There is no Court of Justice or Arbitration, and any attempt to build such would probably be illegal. Where there exist ambiguities in interpretation, it defaults to each nation to resolve those ambiguities through their own processes. In this case, the matter of whether a law 'serve[s] only to reduce individual liberty', or whether it serves an additional purpose, such as guaranteeing worker or consumer safety, is for each nation to determine. Those panicking that this proposal will have restrictive impacts on their domestic policies should not fret unduly.

"As to the need for a blocker, we are happy to make the same one we made in the past. If someone presents a workable proposal that respects the principle of subsidiarity and which this proposal would unfairly block, we will not oppose a repeal, and may even assist in it. But in the past when we made this offer with regard to a couple of our blockers, opponents demonstrated they were not willing to compromise. We are doubtful that the present legislative environment is any less inflexible.

"This proposal should be considered a test balloon as the Holy Wenaist Sultanate explores the possibility of returning to the World Assembly. We are heartened - and a little surprised - to see the level of support it has received."

The message fades out over the sound of plaintive goat bleating as a ship returns to shore, bloody dolphin carcasses draped across its deck.

[Defwa]

Chester, Chester, Chester. I thank you for showing me this on the Assembly records, but just like you don't care as to why I'm voting against, I don't see why I need to know what your motives are. But seriously, thank you.

Now what I'll say is that just because this benefits one nation doesn't mean it'll benefit another. In Yakus' case, this certainly wouldn't benefit us. Because we have laws that try to give employers and employees virtually equal and fair rights at work. Just some of the remnants of the late General Lesscott's Democratic Socialist policies that were still much in force in the 1980s when Aladros Tamin took over as Governor-General, but thanks the the Liberal Party they have been well reformed to support a growing and more prosperous Yakusan economy.

And whilst they're at it, the Yakusan Federal Government are working on legislature to allow them a bit more autonomy from the WA; we are trying to make it easier for us to adapt our own laws around some resolutions of course, but some resolutions that we can't reallyu follow then we shall have to veto officially in parliament or just amend to our needs.

"I like how you gloss over entirely your incorrect assumption that my nation was socialist and tendered no correction or response. It fits your profile, ambassador. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the WA gnomes force you to change your laws. They sneak in and change them. It's unavoidable. Thus why we love loopholes so much here."

OOC Someone told him about that idiotic embassy puppet loophole, which makes no sense in RP if you ask me, and now he thinks he's a genius.

[Gruenberg]

OOC Someone told him about that idiotic embassy puppet loophole, which makes no sense in RP if you ask me

It can be roleplayed entertainingly for those who actually think through the consequences.

[Araraukar]

I really gotta say, I just can't get over Mousebumples' strong sovereigntist stance against this resolution. Not to mention the "Modern NatSov" region of Osiris and (naturally) Gatesville. Keep up the good work, guys!

OOC: Osiris delegate vote is even more baffling than it looks:

Amongst Osiris residents, voting is currently 22-9 (70% For).

Your Regional WA Delegate, Cormac A Stark, has voted AGAINST this resolution.

But meh, regional WA policies have rarely made much sense to me.

OOC Someone told him about that idiotic embassy puppet loophole, which makes no sense in RP if you ask me

It can be roleplayed entertainingly for those who actually think through the consequences.

Would require putting some conscious thought into the RP in the first place, though, and usually the use of a puppet nation.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

The reasoning behind, as well as the actual establishment, of Palentine UN Office of old could possibly help those who just want to be silly and have fun with circumventing WA (dare I say it again?) tyranny.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

As to Osiris, Cormac was just following mousey's lead, some of the voters were following his, and a lot just think (a la GV) that any resolution would comprise a terrible violation of their natural sovereignty. There's "modern" thinking for you.

[Araraukar]

The reasoning behind, as well as the actual establishment, of Palentine UN Office of old could possibly help those who just want to be silly and have fun with circumventing WA (dare I say it again?) tyranny.

You totally deserve the reposting of the technicolor horror I made for an earlier post. &

Oh, but TYRANNY is such a fabulous word, isn't it?

[Gruenberg]

As to Osiris, Cormac was just following mousey's lead, some of the voters were following his, and a lot just think (a la GV) that any resolution would comprise a terrible violation of their natural sovereignty. There's "modern" thinking for you. :eyebrow:

Not really; Gatesville voted against blockers in the past too, and Noctaurus usually approves repeals of NAPA and CPA. Although speaking of Gatesville in times past - Darkesia voted for this!!! There if anything is proof that Mouse might take note of that the name on the proposal really shouldn't be the determining factor.

[Defwa]

OOC Someone told him about that idiotic embassy puppet loophole, which makes no sense in RP if you ask me

It can be roleplayed entertainingly for those who actually think through the consequences.

OOC: Simple stuff, sure.
Personally, I'd like to author some trade or defense legislation that excludes puppeteers like this from it's benefits.

[Grumpy Cats (Ancient)]

Freedoms?

No.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

It can be roleplayed entertainingly for those who actually think through the consequences.

OOC: Simple stuff, sure.
Personally, I'd like to author some trade or defense legislation that excludes puppeteers like this from it's benefits.

Tiny puppets that don't have much to trade in the first place wouldn't profit much from such resolutions anyway. Also, all resolutions must apply to all members equally, so I have no idea how you'd go about it legally.

EDIT: unless you mean the puppeteers couldn't benefit because they are not in the WA, in which case, bravo. It's nice to see lefties embrace free trade and international security for a change.

[Defwa]

OOC: Simple stuff, sure.
Personally, I'd like to author some trade or defense legislation that excludes puppeteers like this from it's benefits.

Tiny puppets that don't have much to trade in the first place wouldn't profit much from such resolutions anyway. Also, all resolutions must apply to all members equally, so I have no idea how you'd go about it legally.

OOC: Not talking about leaving any WA members out. But say we arranged some kind of defense compact (not a legal or plausible example) that made it so WA nations could not war with eachother, always had to fly to the defense of other members, and so on. Nations that defy the WA through embassy puppets and the like would be left out from such defense. The embassy puppet would be guarded but that doesn't really mean anything.
I'd love to do something similar in my debris proposal but stamping out the loop holes could be troublesome