[Passed] Repeal Liberate Coalition of Freedom

[Lexicor]

Okay, this is what I've got right now.

Rifty has founded another region, and is moving people there from TEK, mostly old CoF'ers. They're building embassies with CoF, and will support a refound so long as we open it up after....which we've only been talking about for a while now -_- SO assuming this is no trick, we're all good now and can get on with this at long last, hopefully with the passage of this legislation.

If Riftend confirms that he's supporting your refound, I won't oppose the repeal of the liberation resolution. This doesn't mean that I buy your story that you're going to open up the region for the natives -- I'm not that stupid -- but I only submitted the liberation resolution with the support of the region's Founder, so I'll only fight for it with his support as well.

I also will not have anything further to do with the squabbles between your various regions. Grow up. >_>

We'll see. As a former native/government official I hope this refound goes peacefully with the support of both Leningrad and Rifty for a freer more democratic region!

[District XIV]

If Riftend confirms that he's supporting your refound, I won't oppose the repeal of the liberation resolution. This doesn't mean that I buy your story that you're going to open up the region for the natives -- I'm not that stupid -- but I only submitted the liberation resolution with the support of the region's Founder, so I'll only fight for it with his support as well.

I also will not have anything further to do with the squabbles between your various regions. Grow up. >_>

We'll see. As a former native/government official I hope this refound goes peacefully with the support of both Leningrad and Rifty for a freer more democratic region!

Hear, hear.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I messaged him asking him to repeat his statement here...haven't gotten a response yet

[Ikania]

For.

[Rifty]

I still stand by the liberation and do not wish for it to be replealed. This makes sure that their side of the bargin is upheld.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Yeah, I knew "i will end all of my push for it back" was too good to be wholly true. Alright, guess we'll take what we can get.

If you want it refounded as an open place, the first step to that is actually refounding it, which is just going to be a heck of a lot longer and more painful with a lib.

[Rifty]

Yeah, I knew "i will end all of my push for it back" was too good to be wholly true. Alright, guess we'll take what we can get.

If you want it refounded as an open place, the first step to that is actually refounding it, which is just going to be a heck of a lot longer and more painful with a lib.

I said i would end all of my push back for it to be in my hands. Not that i would make it as easy as possible for you guys. Why? Because i need to have trust in you to do that...something you guys do not have. I have asked than Len does not recruit from us, does not have CoF become an innactive cesspool like CAS + Madrigal and does not turn it into a raiding focused region. I will allow a refound but until a liberation.

Sure it may take longer - but it's to make sure you guys don't go back on your word.

[Lexicor]

I propose we begin the process of negotiations to begin forming a new CoF government that satisfies both parties.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Considering a good number of the people in there supporting are from Madrigal, I'm not sure how "inactive" it is. Just because a region doesn't churn out a dozen pages of RMB doesn't make it inactive. Anyways, I'd have though that if you really wanted it back in business, you'd rather not wait a few months to see it, but I guess not.

“I will never compromise Truth for the sake of getting along with people who can only get along when we agree.”
― D.R. Silva

[Lexicor]

We cannot in good conscious claim to be a region that values equality and liberty while allowing the delegacy to be come a strongmanned and autocratic position without the electoral consent of the peoples and the future regional parliament. I am pissed that people are trying to assume a position without putting in the work needed to build a region on solid foundations, not just on WA recruitment telegrams.

Ultimately [the delegacy] if this repeal passes and a refound is successful, should be left vacant until a framework for good regional governance is established and agreed upon.

[Rifty]

Considering a good number of the people in there supporting are from Madrigal, I'm not sure how "inactive" it is. Just because a region doesn't churn out a dozen pages of RMB doesn't make it inactive. Anyways, I'd have though that if you really wanted it back in business, you'd rather not wait a few months to see it, but I guess not.

“I will never compromise Truth for the sake of getting along with people who can only get along when we agree.”
― D.R. Silva

It can be done in a matter of days if what i have asked for is met.

I've spoken to the citizens of madrigal...they do agree that it was innactive until a few weeks ago.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

It can be done in a matter of days if what i have asked for is met.

I've spoken to the citizens of madrigal...they do agree that it was innactive until a few weeks ago.

Not effectively. TO start, we need a lot more influence to clear the few inactive ones left. Then we need to get the number of pilers down by removing the low activity ones, while still keeping enough to have it secure. Then get as many as we can online, have enough influence to boot the rest while we pull out as many as we can at once, and still hope no one notices and snipes, because all that is quite noticeable. There's no sitting there, locked safely, with one person for a week or so and going without notice when the coast looks clear.

Exactly, they're really growing recently.

[Rifty]

It can be done in a matter of days if what i have asked for is met.

I've spoken to the citizens of madrigal...they do agree that it was innactive until a few weeks ago.

Not effectively. TO start, we need a lot more influence to clear the few inactive ones left. Then we need to get the number of pilers down by removing the low activity ones, while still keeping enough to have it secure. Then get as many as we can online, have enough influence to boot the rest while we pull out as many as we can at once, and still hope no one notices and snipes, because all that is quite noticeable. There's no sitting there, locked safely, with one person for a week or so and going without notice when the coast looks clear.

Exactly, they're really growing recently.

Id laugh so hard if someone sniped XDDDD

As i have said - I will support it on condition

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Id laugh so hard if someone sniped XDDDD

As i have said - I will support it on condition

Even if you're actually not thinking about trying (I mean, there's a little voice saying here "hey, maybe he decided after that first night that there's no chance of taking it back so he's just going to sit back and watch us do the work, then try to steal it. If he fails, nothing gets said and he graciously cooperated. If he succeeds, we we too arrogant and trusting and trusted him where we shouldn't have, he was just biding his time and planning all along" ... it's not too paranoid, you've got to admit), there's still a few other startup groups out there that have doubtlessly heard of this thanks to all the TG's, plus other groups that would take it for spite.

[Communist Victoria]

APPROVED
This wont reach quorum, in my opinion. WA's been kinda inactive lately

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

only 14 away, with two days and change to go

[Lexicor]

Riftys' demands for the delegacy are quite cute when looking at what led to him being in this position in the first place.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Riftys' demands for the delegacy are quite cute when looking at what led to him being in this position in the first place.

I mean, if he comes back in and is elected by the people, sure, he'll get his term, and can run for re-election if he wishes. But if he's asked you for a permanent or starting seat? That would go opposite of the ideal of a democratic region. We already wrote a constitution, and unless the residents one day pass the legislation to change it, that's how it works

[Chester Pearson]

Id laugh so hard if someone sniped XDDDD

You know for a fact that is exactly what is going to happen.... Just ask the natives of Hippiedom.

[Lexicor]

Id laugh so hard if someone sniped XDDDD

You know for a fact that is exactly what is going to happen.... Just ask the natives of Hippiedom.

Which is why a password would work better than a liberation.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Id laugh so hard if someone sniped XDDDD

You know for a fact that is exactly what is going to happen.... Just ask the natives of Hippiedom.

Well, that's actually where it's nice that the people who have come together to release their inner urges to region-build are half on that side of Gameplay TBR sniping it would be kinda a backstab.

[Lexicor]

You know for a fact that is exactly what is going to happen.... Just ask the natives of Hippiedom.

Well, that's actually where it's nice that the people who have come together to release their inner urges to region-build are half on that side of Gameplay TBR sniping it would be kinda a backstab.

I graciously await the beginnings of the TBR-TBH-Independent-Imperialist war that will ensue with the present demise of defenderdom.

[Rifty]

We all know that this repeal won't pass unless i push for it to pass. If my - quiet simply - demands aren't meant i won't be allowing it to pass. Yes i expect it to reach quorum but the WA won't vote it in. I'll make sure of that.

However if i was provided with delegacy (non-executive) for an indeffinant term than id shut up. Would have me put a lot more trust into the region and strengthen ties betweem AoI and CoF. I feel this is a good thing - however if the citizen base disagrees than so be it.

[Lexicor]

We all know that this repeal won't pass unless i push for it to pass. If my - quiet simply - demands aren't meant i won't be allowing it to pass. Yes i expect it to reach quorum but the WA won't vote it in. I'll make sure of that.

However if i was provided with delegacy (non-executive) for a n indeffinantterm than id shut up. Would have me put a lot more trust into the region and strengthen ties betweem AoI and CoF. I feel this is a good thing - however if the citizen base disagrees than so be it.

Fixed it for ya

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

We all know that this repeal won't pass unless i push for it to pass. If my - quiet simply - demands aren't meant i won't be allowing it to pass. Yes i expect it to reach quorum but the WA won't vote it in. I'll make sure of that.

However if i was provided with delegacy (non-executive) for an indeffinant term than id shut up. Would have me put a lot more trust into the region and strengthen ties betweem AoI and CoF. I feel this is a good thing - however if the citizen base disagrees than so be it.

The goal is a democratic region. Removed from the tyranny indefinite rule can lead to. You're not going to get an indefinite term of office unless you march in and take it by force, period.

You can live there, you can run, you can win, you can run for re-election, and if you follow the constitution and it's limits on powers, you can keep that seat for as long as the people want you to. But we're not giving it to you for life.

And sending more TG's might just make them vote the other way at this point.