[Passed] Repeal Liberate Coalition of Freedom

[Rifty]

I get it you want to cover up a lie, that you want to refound the region and that all the natives are against riftend, but don't do that by lying some more.

You don't have the tiniest idea what Riftend has done since he got DEAted.

You aren't either in CoF or TEK, I doubt you have any idea what's going on.

I've got to say i don't give two shits xD We pulled out because we're done with there...moved to TEK. I'm helping out in TWP and hopefully going to be doing the same in Sicarius. Eitheway gold star in claiming CoF

We were all aware of LU's lack of loytalty....and i knew it was his account. I was pretty sure a raid would occur but as you may have noticed...we have no intentions on a refound. We pulled out our delegate. We got out our active citizens so well yea. Have fun with it

I bolded the important parts for you, and I even underlined the really important part.

I am not lying, this is straight from the mouth of the Prophet himself. He explicitly stated he did not have any intentions for a refound.

Problem?

Problem is you have failed to read anything recent xD

I made clear about 12 hours after all that i had said that as i was having a fairly poor morning and i needed time to work out what i was doing. I think i know above you what exactly im thinking.

Now what im thinking is a refound

[Nordenwald]

I bolded the important parts for you, and I even underlined the really important part.

I am not lying, this is straight from the mouth of the Prophet himself. He explicitly stated he did not have any intentions for a refound.

Problem?

Problem is you have failed to read anything recent xD

I made clear about 12 hours after all that i had said that as i was having a fairly poor morning and i needed time to work out what i was doing. I think i know above you what exactly im thinking.

Now what im thinking is a refound

Could I please see those statements?

If you can prove that you were legitimately considering a refound within 12 hours of those posts, it would give your argument a lot more weight.

[The Assassin ShadowX]

Perhaps you could mention how Rifty suddenly started caring a whole awful lot about the region he abandoned when Matthew Hargreaves got elected delegate and began attempting to carry out the refound.

It's basically a "positional good" to him. Once he saw other getting interested in the region, he got interested as well.


I am personally conflicted about this. I mean from a strategic point of view, the liberation is harmful, but on the other hand, it gives TEK the chance to fight back and makes our quarrel with them a bit less boring.

Now as I pointed out in another thread, it was interesting that the liberation was made by Osiris, despite the fact that Nephmir in the past, known as Acitcratna at the time, was planning and dreaming about invading Osiris.

"The Great Liberation" as Nephmir called it, was a plan (and I quote) "to destroy The Black Riders and The Black Hawks"

It was part of "Phase 4: Regional Population Surge" The first stage "involves the ultimate siege of a region several thousand strong, who secretly support The Black Riders."

Whether the first stage of phase 4 was meant for Laz or TRR, that isn't clear. I assume it was TRR, because a short while later Nephmir had a puppet in there with some 60 or so endos. No one really knew exactly whom he was, and pretty much all of the endorsements he got were by the "endo 4 endo" method. The endeavour in TRR didn't go anywhere and simply died.

Now apparently the plans makes it that the invasion of TRR to be some sort of "training" to launch an attack on Osiris, whom as I stated is the most active feeder on the raiding arena.

Stage 2: [classified]- This stage involves the ultimate seige of a region several thousand strong, which participate in invasions with The Black Riders, occasionally, so as to get more nations. It is a sinker region, ruled by a nation from an Invader region, and the region itself will provide us with the means to carry out Phase 5.

At that time Venico was of course the pharaoh in Osiris and was an active member in TBR, and so Nephmir had his eyes on the region.

The plan just crashed and burned, but kudos to TEK on this. If you can't beat them, don't join them, instead make an alliance with them and let them do your dirty work.

Full text of "The Great Liberation" can be found here http://pastebin.com/s1NMMwru

But you know, I think this liberation isn't so bad in the grand scheme of things.

TEK as an R&D region is as ineffective as ever. Greater in quantity of course, but hardly any better in quality. Perhaps this liberation will give TEK a bit of an edge, because we're kinda getting bored in Sicarius.

So with this liberation and the armageddon firecracker, a.k.a The Great Liberation 2.0, maybe, just maybe, things will be just slightly less boring.

However, if Osiris knew about Nephmir's darker history, would they care? Would they still favor their "allies" or what they start supporting proposal like this one?

So overall I would vote yes for this, but I hope that TEK attempts a number of their failed liberations before such proposal passes. It would be interesting to watch them work.

[Nephmir]

Stop using a telegram that I sent to you almost a year ago as my 'master plan' and lying to people about it! Honestly. That was a plan I created on demand in 5 minutes because you pressured me publicly to do so! Not to mention that was an experimental plan in an experimental region before I developed the plan I have now for TEK!

This is just utter nonsense, not to mention not even on topic of this thread.

[The Assassin ShadowX]

No lies here; it's a fact as clear as the sun that you wanted to take over Osiris because they are the most active feeder in the raiding community and at the time their delegate was a prominent member in TBR. So if you want lies, look at what you said. Only a fool would believe that you didn't mean Osiris and meant Laz and TRR. When on Earth did Laz have a regional invader unit? Please, do not attempt to sell us such feeble lies.

And the fact is that it all ties in perfectly. You planned (horribly) to take over Osiris, sometime later you developed relations with them, Osiris had no idea that you've ever had such intentions about their region, so they aided you in the liberation of CoF. Now I am left to wonder on what sort of stance they would have regarding this proposal, and how Osiris will play in your armangdon firecracker.

[Rifty]

No lies here; it's a fact as clear as the sun that you wanted to take over Osiris because they are the most active feeder in the raiding community and at the time their delegate was a prominent member in TBR. So if you want lies, look at what you said. Only a fool would believe that you didn't mean Osiris and meant Laz and TRR. When on Earth did Laz have a regional invader unit? Please, do not attempt to sell us such feeble lies.

And the fact is that it all ties in perfectly. You planned (horribly) to take over Osiris, sometime later you developed relations with them, Osiris had no idea that you've ever had such intentions about their region, so they aided you in the liberation of CoF. Now I am left to wonder on what sort of stance they would have regarding this proposal, and how Osiris will play in your armangdon firecracker.

I obviously wasn't around during this was stated by nephy but i feel like i can comment on the matter. people's opinion on regions change - and so do plans. Go back three months and there are regions i would happily have dragged down; and today i don't mind helping them. Example....Space. I originally went in there as a sleeper when i was with CoF...Now i like the people in there and would happily assist them in anything.

Cormac is an intelligent person - And i know for one he won't be swayed by months old abbandoned plans. If this is the kind of defense you guys are using now; your really scraping the bottom of the barrel

[Chester Pearson]

Can you please take this little bitchfest to another forum, and quit spamming up my inbox?

[Communist Victoria]

APPROVED as soon as i get my delegacy back, you might as well let SOMEONE utilise it.
What is the point of refouding it, you have tek, i have GDU/GE and Len has COF.

[Rifty]

APPROVED as soon as i get my delegacy back, you might as well let SOMEONE utilise it.
What is the point of refouding it, you have tek, i have GDU/GE and Len has COF.

Cause i plan on refounding CoF and re-using it. That's how. Len has Madrigal and CAS

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Can you please take this little bitchfest to another forum, and quit spamming up my inbox?

Len, Lex, and I swore not to send campaign TG's for this repeal, and to consult each other before reconsidering that. If anyone is *not* doing so, I'd appreciate hearing it As for others, I can't account for them, but I can ask those who want this to pass - please. Don't send more TG's. Everyone's gotten enough of them concerning this region, and at this point they're more likely to make them abstain or vote opposite of what you're talking about. If you have info that you desperately want to send out, I beg for you to come to us three with it rather than send it arbitrarily. THat way, if we send *any*, it'll be *one.*

I can't speak for those running the campaign against or any freelancers, but that's the policy the three us us sat down and decided on for us.

EDIT: And being practically broke was only a *small* factor in this decision

[Rifty]

Can you please take this little bitchfest to another forum, and quit spamming up my inbox?

Len, Lex, and I swore not to send campaign TG's for this repeal, and to consult each other before reconsidering that. If anyone is *not* doing so, I'd appreciate hearing it As for others, I can't account for them, but I can ask those who want this to pass - please. Don't send more TG's. Everyone's gotten enough of them concerning this region, and at this point they're more likely to make them abstain or vote opposite of what you're talking about. If you have info that you desperately want to send out, I beg for you to come to us three with it rather than send it arbitrarily. THat way, if we send *any*, it'll be *one.*

I can't speak for those running the campaign against or any freelancers, but that's the policy the three us us sat down and decided on for us.

EDIT: And being practically broke was only a *small* factor in this decision

I'll be sending them if you guys do - or if we don't have a considerable lead

[Chester Pearson]

Len, Lex, and I swore not to send campaign TG's for this repeal, and to consult each other before reconsidering that. If anyone is *not* doing so, I'd appreciate hearing it As for others, I can't account for them, but I can ask those who want this to pass - please. Don't send more TG's. Everyone's gotten enough of them concerning this region, and at this point they're more likely to make them abstain or vote opposite of what you're talking about. If you have info that you desperately want to send out, I beg for you to come to us three with it rather than send it arbitrarily. THat way, if we send *any*, it'll be *one.*

I can't speak for those running the campaign against or any freelancers, but that's the policy the three us us sat down and decided on for us.

EDIT: And being practically broke was only a *small* factor in this decision

I'll be sending them if you guys do - or if we don't have a considerable lead

You are already sending them:

Hounarble Delegate - Do NOT approve "Reapeal 'liberate Coalition of Freedom'."
The liberation was in place for the original members of CoF. This was in an attempt to allow us to refound under a respected member of the region - Not a well known raider who has utilised Black Rider forces to maintain delegacy.
The citizen base was asked whether or not they wished for a refound under the current delegate - They said no (page=poll/p=12239). This is just a blatent attept to allow for a raider organisation to hold onto a region rather than allowing the natives to deal with it as they so desired.
Feel free to ask me any questions!

Enough is fucking enough already!

[Lexicor]

Len, Souls and myself aren't gonna send TG's.

Why?

1. We're broke/have better things to spend money on.

2. Rifty's spam-egrams are far better than any half-assed telegram campaign we could organize.

[Tantricia]

Hounarable Delegate

We can see that Rifty is getting the full worth out of his telegram campaigns.

[Chester Pearson]

We can see that Rifty is getting the full worth out of his telegram campaigns.

Don't point shit like that out.... He will just spam us with another one!!

[District XIV]

We can see that Rifty is getting the full worth out of his telegram campaigns.

Don't point shit like that out.... He will just spam us with another one!!

Nah, I'll spam y'all out with a campaign TG

[Chester Pearson]

Don't point shit like that out.... He will just spam us with another one!!

Nah, I'll spam y'all out with a campaign TG

Already in motion....

[Elke and Elba]

Get the title right.

Annoying as blackholes that someone can't even have the decency to name this properly.

[Rifty]

We can see that Rifty is getting the full worth out of his telegram campaigns.

Shall i resend it and fix the error? Or just appologise when i send the WA wide one?

[Panait]

You fellows are having a fair bit of TG swarming, eh? Glad I'm not a Delegate.

I can also foresee the ensuing continuation of the argument carried over from the original liberation resolution thread as soon as this garners enough support. Given, Rifty and her opposers are already having some arguments here. I doubt my previous hopes that CoF will be refounded will happen without undergoing massive flame war. Quite the intensified manifestation of real world UN, don't you all think?

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

This is just breaking, so things may still change.... but we may have made peace with a large portion of the community.

[Blood Wine]

Get the title right.

Annoying as blackholes that someone can't even have the decency to name this properly.

it went from [instarepeal] to [submitted] so chill out

[Mundiferrum]

Get the title right.

Annoying as blackholes that someone can't even have the decency to name this properly.

it went from [instarepeal] to [submitted] so chill out

What? I thought Coalition of Freedom was already liberated! What - oh, it's a repeal.
....
It says '[Submitted] Liberate Coalition of Freedom', not the more appropriate '[Submitted] Repeal "Liberate Coalition of Freedom"'. EDIT: The topic title really should be changed; first time I saw this thread, I mistook this for an ill-advised redundancy, and quickly dismissed it.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Okay, this is what I've got right now.

Rifty has founded another region, and is moving people there from TEK, mostly old CoF'ers. They're building embassies with CoF, and will support a refound so long as we open it up after....which we've only been talking about for a while now -_- SO assuming this is no trick, we're all good now and can get on with this at long last, hopefully with the passage of this legislation.

[Cormac A Stark]

Okay, this is what I've got right now.

Rifty has founded another region, and is moving people there from TEK, mostly old CoF'ers. They're building embassies with CoF, and will support a refound so long as we open it up after....which we've only been talking about for a while now -_- SO assuming this is no trick, we're all good now and can get on with this at long last, hopefully with the passage of this legislation.

If Riftend confirms that he's supporting your refound, I won't oppose the repeal of the liberation resolution. This doesn't mean that I buy your story that you're going to open up the region for the natives -- I'm not that stupid -- but I only submitted the liberation resolution with the support of the region's Founder, so I'll only fight for it with his support as well.

I also will not have anything further to do with the squabbles between your various regions. Grow up. >_>