[PASSED] Liberate Coalition Of Freedom

[Mundiferrum]

Since I generally despise raiders (ie: the 'griefing' types, as it were) in all shapes and forms, yet I have no hard evidence for myself as to who on earth is even remotely telling the whole truth one way or another, I'm just going to throw my hands up in despair and ABSTAIN.

Same here.

Not the same: though we here are generally as, er, confused as you with the situation, my personal dislike of Rifty has pushed me to vote AGAINST. We urge the members of this Assembly to not follow our example in this case, and vote as reasonably as they can allow themselves to.

[Blood Wine]

Just to reiterate, I was asked to submit this resolution, so the idea that they're only supporting it to save face and not appear weak after I submitted it is kind of ludicrous.

Has it occurred to you they were pretending not to care about the region so that the invading coalition wouldn't be ready for, well, this?

Regarding you being asked to submit it:I was not aware of this

Regarding them pretending:lolnope
Riddle me this:what raider does not expect a liberation proposal on a occupation in this "liberate everything" culture we have?

Not at all mate - Not at all. I don't care really about what RPers think of me seeming as i don't...well...rolepaly. Gameplay; sure i want them all to respect me. However it's not the reason i support this.

You guys are a menace; and really need to learn a lesson.

I just see it as extremely weak of you guys taking it when we were going about refounding it - than posting you did a good job. Well - If you think this was a good job; so be it.

First off,I'm not currently affiliated with any group,so "you" does not apply to me (since a lot of people think I do)

Secondly,you think I believe that? CoF and TEK are basically build on RPers and generalites (you pretty much have to since you pretty much alienated most of GP)

Thirdly,the point of the GP thread was your lack of leadership,not that is was a good raid like the Anarchy raid where they jumped in with 21 people

Every word of it is honest on my part - However i am not entirly sure about Leningrad and the other raiders backing him.

I'm not sure if you have *any* right to say this

Thank you though for the time you put into reading this and than voting alongside us for the greater good of the NS community! ^-^

And here we have the main reason we haven't found a solution people are happy with regarding R/D:
Self inflating moral extremism

[Bemberna]

"The People's Republic of Bemberna has withdrawn its support of this pointless resolution, and instead voted against it," announced the seemingly bored Bembernan Permanent Representative to the World Assembly, Ambassador Jennyfer Coal. "Now, I wish it to be understood that this has nothing to do with the recent telegram my government received that petitioned member states to do so, nor any of this new 'evidence'.

"No. We have reversed our position for one reason, and one reason only," she continued, pausing to take a sip of what appeared to be an alcoholic beverage. "The People of Bemberna grow tired of the petty squabbles that have come to dominate the Security Council, and the continued misuse of the power of liberation it has at its disposal. My job is becoming more and more like working in a playground.

"As such, Bemberna will vote against any and all liberation proposals from this day forward, until such a time as my so-called peers cease acting like petulant children, and stop their attempts at misusing this most serious power.

"I encourage everybody to do the same," she finished, sitting back down and returning to her Sudoku puzzle.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

*partial ghostwriter for Len here*

As a note, none of it's new. Neph simply beat us out of the gate with his factually inaccurate little blurb about "Ebul TBR Raiders." We took the time to write something a bit more encompassing

Whatever your reason are though, thanks for doing so!

[East Klent]

"A region's right to self-determination should be held sacrosanct and not be violated. Klentian shall defend freedom be it through warfare or diplomacy, thankfully in this case it is the latter. For better or for worse, the Coalition of Freedom should be free from foreign control; I approved this bill and now I shall vote in favor of it."

-Jarred Michael Stevens,
Delegate for Klent and The Heartland.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

"A region's right to self-determination should be held sacrosanct and not be violated. Klentian shall defend freedom be it through warfare or diplomacy, thankfully in this case it is the latter. For better or for worse, the Coalition of Freedom should be free from foreign control; I approved this bill and now I shall vote in favor of it."

-Jarred Michael Stevens,
Delegate for Klent and The Heartland.

The region's inhabitants determined they wished to move on, and merged with TEK. Henceforth, The Leningrad Union, in the face of Mathew Hargraves, who had been there from the very beginning, got some buddies to help him complete the goals of RoSC, the former delegate who had abandoned it too, which were to eject all who did not move to TEK and lock the region. RoSC's influence was far short of the deed, so he gave up. Hargraves has the influence necessary, and acted. Upon his acting, however, the old leaders, the very ones who abandoned it, changed their minds. Went back on their words. They've already merged with another region, now, though.

Liberating it will not free it for foreign control - on the contrary, it shall open it up to *any* foriegn nations who wish to play with it. Liberations remove a region's right to self-determination by nature - by forcing their borders open regardless of the wishes of those inside. I beg you to come up with a better argument for you approval of this motion, good sir.

[Nordic States and Territories]

I don't see the issue here. The COF had an active and vibrant community that largely wants their old region back. The reasons people moved are irrelevant. The only reason you would oppose this is because of personal reasons, which you shouldn't let influence this decision. It does not matter what you think about certain members of the COF or TEK. You have to think about the community that was destroyed here, and think about the greater good. If you support defending or liberation at all, this is pretty black and white. The only people who wouldn't are those who don't care, those who support raiding without consequence, and those with personal slights.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I don't see the issue here. The COF had an active and vibrant community that largely wants their old region back. The reasons people moved are irrelevant. The only reason you would oppose this is because of personal reasons, which you shouldn't let influence this decision. It does not matter what you think about certain members of the COF or TEK. You have to think about the community that was destroyed here, and think about the greater good. If you support defending or liberation at all, this is pretty black and white. The only people who wouldn't are those who don't care, those who support raiding without consequence, and those with personal slights.

The only "destruction" done to it was the DEAT of Riftend. The old government ordered everyone out, and left with them. No everyone left, and one of those who didn't leave stepped up to take the delegacy and locked it - something the old government would have done themselves if they had enough influence to. The community willingly moved to TEK and abandoned CoF.

[Nordic States and Territories]

I don't see the issue here. The COF had an active and vibrant community that largely wants their old region back. The reasons people moved are irrelevant. The only reason you would oppose this is because of personal reasons, which you shouldn't let influence this decision. It does not matter what you think about certain members of the COF or TEK. You have to think about the community that was destroyed here, and think about the greater good. If you support defending or liberation at all, this is pretty black and white. The only people who wouldn't are those who don't care, those who support raiding without consequence, and those with personal slights.

The only "destruction" done to it was the DEAT of Riftend. The old government ordered everyone out, and left with them. No everyone left, and one of those who didn't leave stepped up to take the delegacy and locked it - something the old government would have done themselves if they had enough influence to. The community willingly moved to TEK and abandoned CoF.

To my knowledge, citizens were free to move anywhere they wanted. The old government told citizens to move, because they had intelligence that the region was about to be invaded and natives given the boot. It was not the claiming of an abandoned region. It was an opportunistic raider taking a region while it was weak, kicking natives who opposed his delegacy. If I can do something to help those natives reclaim their old community, I will. And the best way I can do that is to try to pass this bill.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

To my knowledge, citizens were free to move anywhere they wanted. The old government told citizens to move, because they had intelligence that the region was about to be invaded and natives given the boot. It was not the claiming of an abandoned region. It was an opportunistic raider taking a region while it was weak, kicking natives who opposed his delegacy. If I can do something to help those natives reclaim their old community, I will. And the best way I can do that is to try to pass this bill.

CItizens were told to Move or be Ejected by the former governemnt. The exact wording was closer to "Move to TEK or be kicked" but I couldn't tell you exactly, and they had no way of enforcing where. Later it did become just leave. When RoSC could eject no more and could not lock, he left. Leningrad is happy to let people stay at the moment, but following certain actions in the interests of security. The old inhabitants have merged with TEK now, of their own volition.

[Nordic States and Territories]

To my knowledge, citizens were free to move anywhere they wanted. The old government told citizens to move, because they had intelligence that the region was about to be invaded and natives given the boot. It was not the claiming of an abandoned region. It was an opportunistic raider taking a region while it was weak, kicking natives who opposed his delegacy. If I can do something to help those natives reclaim their old community, I will. And the best way I can do that is to try to pass this bill.

CItizens were told to Move or be Ejected by the former governemnt. The exact wording was closer to "Move to TEK or be kicked" but I couldn't tell you exactly, and they had no way of enforcing where. Later it did become just leave. When RoSC could eject no more and could not lock, he left. Leningrad is happy to let people stay at the moment, but following certain actions in the interests of security. The old inhabitants have merged with TEK now, of their own volition.

That was a warning to move before the region was overtaken and people kicked. With a password lock, he has nothing to fear as far as "interests of security". I think it's more along the lines of him kicking dissenters.

[Gest]

Has it occurred to you they were pretending not to care about the region so that the invading coalition wouldn't be ready for, well, this?

Anyone who has seen TEK, knows they are not capable of such foresight. By the way did Nephmir write this resolution. That would explain how much TEK is mentioned unless you've decided to take it upon yourself to pimp them out.

[Nephmir]

Has it occurred to you they were pretending not to care about the region so that the invading coalition wouldn't be ready for, well, this?

Anyone who has seen TEK, knows they are not capable of such foresight. By the way did Nephmir write this resolution. That would explain how much TEK is mentioned unless you've decided to take it upon yourself to pimp them out.

Really? A petty insult, considering it was carefully planned out as such. I'm not stupid. <_<

[Shadoke]

This makes me sick. You guys can't do anything without a liberation nowadays. its not our fault you didnt care enough at the time. If you really dont care, i dare you to vote against this resolution. I Dare You

[Nephmir]

This makes me sick. You guys can't do anything without a liberation nowadays. its not our fault you didnt care enough at the time. If you really dont care, i dare you to vote against this resolution. I Dare You

Well duh, the region is sealed off! How else are we supposed to get in? It wasn't like our initial reaction was a Liberation.

[The Leningrad Union]

This makes me sick. You guys can't do anything without a liberation nowadays. its not our fault you didnt care enough at the time. If you really dont care, i dare you to vote against this resolution. I Dare You

Well duh, the region is sealed off! How else are we supposed to get in? It wasn't like our initial reaction was a Liberation.

But you stated that you didn't care and were fine with it being raided....

Besides, once it's refounded in won't be a trophy. It'll be a nice region again.

[Lexicor]

Well duh, the region is sealed off! How else are we supposed to get in? It wasn't like our initial reaction was a Liberation.

But you stated that you didn't care and were fine with it being raided....

Besides, once it's refounded in won't be a trophy. It'll be a nice region again.

I am in full support of a refound effort.

[The Leningrad Union]

But you stated that you didn't care and were fine with it being raided....

Besides, once it's refounded in won't be a trophy. It'll be a nice region again.

I am in full support of a refound effort.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

[Nephmir]

Well duh, the region is sealed off! How else are we supposed to get in? It wasn't like our initial reaction was a Liberation.

But you stated that you didn't care and were fine with it being raided....

Besides, once it's refounded in won't be a trophy. It'll be a nice region again.

Okay, and you can refound it after I have made my point- assuming Rift and all of the other Regional Officers agree.

And you can still do it with a shiny Liberation badge on the region. No big deal for a Raider of your caliber, yes?

[The Leningrad Union]

But you stated that you didn't care and were fine with it being raided....

Besides, once it's refounded in won't be a trophy. It'll be a nice region again.

Okay, and you can refound it after I have made my point- assuming Rift and all of the other Regional Officers agree.

And you can still do it with a shiny Liberation badge on the region. No big deal for a Raider of your caliber, yes?

The liberation would slow the refound down and require us to send in reinforcements. It is a "big deal".

[Gest]

carefully planned

Two words that no one will ever associate with TEK. How goes your carefully planned jousting tournament?

[Shadoke]

This makes me sick. You guys can't do anything without a liberation nowadays. its not our fault you didnt care enough at the time. If you really dont care, i dare you to vote against this resolution. I Dare You

Well duh, the region is sealed off! How else are we supposed to get in? It wasn't like our initial reaction was a Liberation.

Lying now, are we? You said you didn't care.

[Nephmir]

carefully planned

Two words that no one will ever associate with TEK. How goes your carefully planned jousting tournament?

What are you trying to accomplish here? You neither know the date nor the amount of applicants of the tournament; you are assuming that because we haven't posted an update on it that it's not going to happen or that it's failing.

Anything else I need answer before I go?

Well duh, the region is sealed off! How else are we supposed to get in? It wasn't like our initial reaction was a Liberation.

Lying now, are we? You said you didn't care.

Read a few posts up.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

The goal of those involved is to form a true Coalition of Freedom - that means separation from Riftend and the arbitrary suppression. Old members will be welcomed back. The initial group involved some names people don;t like because those happened to be the WA endo's Len could get - He's acting on his own, not as part of madrigal, and those from sicarius are assisting as a favor to the region and Len, among the others involved, not as a raider organization. We hope to grow a new, thriving region that's a bit more friendly to the world at large than the old one was The goal isn't to lock it down as some dusty trophy, but to refound. And no, not with Riftend. "The Prophet." As a true Coalition of Freedom, made by a coalition of nations for the purpose of a free COF.

EDIT: and If you're wondering, I'm doing my best to help Len with PR, human resources, and writing, due to the fact that he's doing some travelling and doesn't have a lot of time. I'm acting as EWS, helping Len, not as a leading member of Sicarius.

[Chester Pearson]

Are you two clowns done with the telegram war yet? It is getting really fucking annoying.