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[DEFEATED] Condemn Riftend

Postby Communist Victoria » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:13 pm

Hi NS,
I have just realised why my proposal for condemn Riftend has been deleted twice!
It was because I put in a mention called "Questionable GAMEPLAY Tactics" which violated Rule 4, anyway, I hope this draft is better.

Condemn Riftend
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation

Nominee: Riftend

Proposed by: Communist Victoria

Description: KNOWING that the security council aims to spread peace and to condemn wrongdoers;

NOTICING the The Incorporated States of Riftend's deeds have been of a negative nature for the most part.

ADDRESSING negative acts, which include:

I. The Infiltration of The Greater Democratic Union II through a two month long operation were the admin password was received.

II. The revolution in The Confederacy of allied States which led to the displacement of over 250 citizens.

III. Questionable Milatia and Interaction Tactics

IV. Raid on St Abbaddon where The Incorporated States of Riftend was granted the password through the charade of a "Ambassador."

V. Frowned upon recruitment methods in which The Incorporated States of Riftend targets all WA monthly

VI. Raids on Greater Democratic Union, The Confederacy of allied States and many more.

NOTING ties to the condemned raiding organisation The Eternal Knights

HOPING that this condemnation will have The Incorporated States of Riftend avoid further actions;

HEREBY CONDEMNS The Incorporated States of Riftend
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Postby Frattastan II » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:28 pm

While the mention of regional passwords is fine - they are a part of and named as such in the game -, "admin password" might be a Rule 4 violation (it can only refer to an admin account on a website, no?). You should find a different phrasing.
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Postby District XIV » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:40 pm

Red = things that should be added or changed slightly
Struck out = things that should be removed
KNOWING that the Security Council aims to spread peace and to condemn wrongdoers;

NOTICING the The Incorporated States of Riftend's deeds have been of a negative nature for the most part.

ADDRESSING negative acts, which include:

I. The Infiltration of The Greater Democratic Union II through a two month long operation where in which the admin password was received.

II. The A revolution in The Confederacy of Allied States which led to the displacement of over 250 citizens nations.

III. Questionable Milatia military tactics and foreign interaction Tactics

IV. The raid on St Abbaddon where The Incorporated States of Riftend was granted the password through the charade of an "Ambassador".

V. Frowned upon Controversial recruitment methods in which The Incorporated States of Riftend targets all WA members monthly

VI. Raids on Greater Democratic Union, The Confederacy of allied States and many more.

NOTING ties to the condemned raiding organisation The Eternal Knights

HOPING that this condemnation will have The Incorporated States of Riftend avoid further actions;

HEREBY CONDEMNS The Incorporated States of Riftend
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Postby Riftend » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:48 pm

I did notice when the proposals went up some of the links were incorrect. The Confederacy of Allied States was the region affect by the revolution - not Confederacy of Allied States. Same with The Greater Democratic Union - you had forgotten "the." Hopefully that's helpful~

I still would be surprised if this ever did pass - not even sure if i'm for or against it yet aha
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Postby District XIV » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:53 pm

Regarding my removal suggestions for some things:

Don't use 'The Incorporated States of Riftend' for everything. For the body of the draft just use 'Riftend'.

Clause 'VI.' isn't needed because that just pointlessly summarizes things you've stated elsewhere in the resolution.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:54 pm

Frattastan II wrote:While the mention of regional passwords is fine - they are a part of and named as such in the game -, "admin password" might be a Rule 4 violation (it can only refer to an admin account on a website, no?). You should find a different phrasing.

Perhaps "Leaders' " password might fit both the rules and the meaning?

EDIT: And District XIV crossed this out in his own proposed revision, but if you keep the bit about TEK ...It's misleading as is. Condemned by certain people and organizations? Maybe. "Condemned" in the WA sense, they are not.
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Postby Communist Victoria » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:59 pm

Thank you guys. Based on your suggestions, The draft should now look like this.
KNOWING that the Security Council aims to spread peace and to condemn wrongdoers;

NOTICING the The Incorporated States of Riftend's deeds have been of a negative nature for the most part.

ADDRESSING negative acts, which include:

I. The Infiltration of The Greater Democratic Union II through a two month long operation in which the Leader's password was received.

II. A revolution in The Confederacy of Allied States which led to the displacement of over 250 nations.

III. Questionable military tactics and foreign interaction

IV. The raid on St Abbaddon where Riftend was granted the password through the charade of an "Ambassador".

V. Controversial recruitment methods in which Riftend targets all WA members monthly

HOPING that this condemnation will have Riftend avoid further actions;

HEREBY CONDEMNS The Incorporated States of Riftend
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:04 pm

Hm. What do the more experienced people think about "access" instead of "the password" in IV?
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The color or what?..

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Postby Ramaeus » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:11 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Hm. What do the more experienced people think about "access" instead of "the password" in IV?

If you're referring to a regional password, then using the term "password" is legal. See here.

As it stands, I'm against this proposal. Riftend hasn't done enough to warrant attention from the SC.

EDIT: If you're referring to an account password, then I'm pretty sure it's an illegal term. Just say something to the effect of: "Riftend forcefully took control of the region's founder," that should cover any R4 violations.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:15 pm

Ramaeus wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Hm. What do the more experienced people think about "access" instead of "the password" in IV?

If you're referring to a regional password, then using the term "password" is legal. See here.

As it stands, I'm against this proposal. Riftend hasn't done enough to warrant attention from the SC.


Looking at that link, it seems founder would be legal if he wanted to use it (in the earlier line about GDU), though I see no mention of Admin. Founder is more accurate anyways :P

(And I'd probably be against too, but I like to try new things so today I'd trying to offer advice here :P)
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The color or what?..

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Postby Ramaeus » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:20 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Looking at that link, it seems founder would be legal if he wanted to use it (in the earlier line about GDU), though I see no mention of Admin. Founder is more accurate anyways :P

(And I'd probably be against too, but I like to try new things so today I'd trying to offer advice here :P)

Admin is something I've never seen used, and would probably be a gray area, so I'd recommend using "Founder".

Stating my opinion about Riftend's actions not being worthy of a condemnation is also advice. It's indirectly showing the OP that there is more to SC authorship than just writing. You have to consider whether the nominee is worthy; and comparing the actions of the nominee to those previously condemned leaves you feeling underwhelmed.
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Postby Communist Victoria » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:23 pm

KNOWING that the Security Council aims to spread peace and to condemn wrongdoers;

NOTICING the The Incorporated States of Riftend's deeds have been of a negative nature for the most part.

ADDRESSING negative acts, which include:

I. The Infiltration of The Greater Democratic Union II through a two month long operation in which Riftend forcefully took control of the regional founder

II. A revolution in The Confederacy of Allied States which led to the displacement of over 250 nations.

III. Questionable military tactics and foreign interaction

IV. The raid on St Abbaddon where Riftend was granted leadership through the charade of an "Ambassador".

V. Controversial recruitment methods in which Riftend targets all WA members monthly

HOPING that this condemnation will have Riftend avoid further actions;

HEREBY CONDEMNS The Incorporated States of Riftend


EDIT: Changed obtained password to Took control.
EDIT2: St abbdanon - granted leadership instead of the password

Also, it may be a bit underwhelming, but i got 5 responses from delegates who actually approved of this. and some affected nations.

Anyway I thank you for your help
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Postby Riftend » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:31 pm

Ramaeus wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Looking at that link, it seems founder would be legal if he wanted to use it (in the earlier line about GDU), though I see no mention of Admin. Founder is more accurate anyways :P

(And I'd probably be against too, but I like to try new things so today I'd trying to offer advice here :P)

Admin is something I've never seen used, and would probably be a gray area, so I'd recommend using "Founder".

Stating my opinion about Riftend's actions not being worthy of a condemnation is also advice. It's indirectly showing the OP that there is more to SC authorship than just writing. You have to consider whether the nominee is worthy; and comparing the actions of the nominee to those previously condemned leaves you feeling underwhelmed.

Yea i myself am still not sure if what i have done is enough - however i know i have pissed of enough people to get enough approvals. :rofl:
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Postby Ramaeus » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:58 pm

Riftend wrote:Yea i myself am still not sure if what i have done is enough - however i know i have pissed of enough people to get enough approvals. :rofl:

There are people who will approve anything, as evidenced by how the first Commend McMasterdonia got to vote.
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Postby Communist Victoria » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:58 pm

Is it fine?
Not breaking any rules or anything?
Because i am about to submit it.
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Postby Chester Pearson » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:59 pm

Riftend wrote:Yea i myself am still not sure if what i have done is enough - however i know i have pissed of enough people to get enough approvals. :rofl:


Something to be proud of I'm sure....
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Postby Ramaeus » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:04 pm

Communist Victoria wrote:Is it fine?
Not breaking any rules or anything?
Because i am about to submit it.

I see nothing illegal in this draft, but that doesn't mean its legal--there could be a hidden illegality I'm not seeing.

Also, just because a proposal doesn't have any illegalities doesn't mean that it's a good, or even decent, draft. This is a bad draft that only tells me Riftend has done some "questionable" things.
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Postby Communist Victoria » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:13 pm

Ramaeus wrote:
Communist Victoria wrote:Is it fine?
Not breaking any rules or anything?
Because i am about to submit it.

I see nothing illegal in this draft, but that doesn't mean its legal--there could be a hidden illegality I'm not seeing.

Also, just because a proposal doesn't have any illegalities doesn't mean that it's a good, or even decent, draft. This is a bad draft that only tells me Riftend has done some "questionable" things.

Well i can try my luck. and if it fails, wait.
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Postby Ramaeus » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:19 pm

Communist Victoria wrote:Well i can try my luck. and if it fails, wait.

Take a look at some of the more recent condemnations--look at the information they use, their style, etc. This will help you gain some idea of what is and isn't condemn worthy. Afterwords, redraft this proposal.
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Postby Communist Victoria » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:22 pm

FINAL COPY- THIS IS WHAT I AM SUBMITTING UNLESS YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT MA BE ILLEGAL

KNOWING that the Security Council aims to spread peace and to condemn wrongdoers;

NOTICING deeds done by The Incorporated States of Riftend have had a negative impact for the most part.

ADDRESSING negative acts, which include:

I. The Infiltration of The Greater Democratic Union II through a two month long operation in which Riftend forcefully took control of the regional founder

II. A revolution in The Confederacy of Allied States which led to the displacement of over 250 nations.

III. Questionable military tactics and foreign interaction

IV. The raid on St Abbaddon where Riftend was granted leadership through the charade of an "Ambassador".

V. Controversial recruitment methods in which Riftend targets all WA members monthly

HOPING that this condemnation will have avoid further actions;

HEREBY CONDEMNS The Incorporated States of Riftend
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Postby Chester Pearson » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:36 pm

Communist Victoria wrote:FINAL COPY- THIS IS WHAT I AM SUBMITTING UNLESS YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT MA BE ILLEGAL

KNOWING that the Security Council aims to spread peace and to condemn wrongdoers;

NOTICING deeds done by The Incorporated States of Riftend have had a negative impact for the most part.

ADDRESSING negative acts, which include:

I. The Infiltration of The Greater Democratic Union II through a two month long operation in which Riftend forcefully took control of the regional founder

II. A revolution in The Confederacy of Allied States which led to the displacement of over 250 nations.

III. Questionable military tactics and foreign interaction

IV. The raid on St Abbaddon where Riftend was granted leadership through the charade of an "Ambassador".

V. Controversial recruitment methods in which Riftend targets all WA members monthly

HOPING that this condemnation will have avoid further actions;

HEREBY CONDEMNS The Incorporated States of Riftend


Please don't. You are only going to embarrass yourself....
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Postby Wrapper » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:36 pm

Communist Victoria wrote:NOTICING deeds done by The Incorporated States of Riftend have had a negative impact for the most part.

"...for the most part"? Sounds very wishy-washy to me.

III. Questionable military tactics and foreign interaction

Ditto.

V. Controversial recruitment methods in which Riftend targets all WA members monthly

Really? I've been in the WA for several months now. Haven't seen anything from Riftend.

HOPING that this condemnation will have avoid further actions;

Seriously? I don't think a dull black badge stops anyone from doing what they're doing.

Cannot support this draft.

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Postby Riftend » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:41 pm

Wrapper wrote:
Communist Victoria wrote:NOTICING deeds done by The Incorporated States of Riftend have had a negative impact for the most part.

"...for the most part"? Sounds very wishy-washy to me.

III. Questionable military tactics and foreign interaction

Ditto.

V. Controversial recruitment methods in which Riftend targets all WA members monthly

Really? I've been in the WA for several months now. Haven't seen anything from Riftend.

HOPING that this condemnation will have avoid further actions;

Seriously? I don't think a dull black badge stops anyone from doing what they're doing.

Cannot support this draft.

Have you blocked recruitment telegrams? O.o

I just sent my third mass WA telegram.
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Postby Chester Pearson » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:48 pm

Riftend wrote:
Wrapper wrote:"...for the most part"? Sounds very wishy-washy to me.


Ditto.


Really? I've been in the WA for several months now. Haven't seen anything from Riftend.


Seriously? I don't think a dull black badge stops anyone from doing what they're doing.

Cannot support this draft.

Have you blocked recruitment telegrams? O.o

I just sent my third mass WA telegram.


You do realize the Arnhelm Declaration regions are not going to take too kindly to that. But meh.... It is no worse than the GGR spamming the feeder boards twice a day....

Still not condemnable.
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Postby Riftend » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:52 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:
Riftend wrote:Have you blocked recruitment telegrams? O.o

I just sent my third mass WA telegram.


You do realize the Arnhelm Declaration regions are not going to take too kindly to that. But meh.... It is no worse than the GGR spamming the feeder boards twice a day....

Still not condemnable.

You do realize I don't care what the Arnhelm signatories have to say. I have not signed it and never plan on signing it. My recruitment methods have been effective and will continue to be effective. They can try and bring down the region or whatever - until than i plan on stealing more citizens. :lol:
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