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Clean Land
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Postby Clean Land » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:09 pm

Looks like sensible legislation on a topic with international impact.
We will probably vote for if this comes to a vote.

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Postby Fauxia » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:22 pm

“Ambassador Bell, you have successfully created a bill I am not sure where I stand on. I assume you would instruct me to vote against. That said, right now I believe I will vote for. While ot creates another bureaucracy, WHAMMO is the greatest committee name I’ve ever heard of.”
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:12 pm

Fauxia wrote:WHAMMO is the greatest committee name I’ve ever heard of.”

OOC: I still think WASP trumps that. :P
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Postby Fauxia » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:31 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Fauxia wrote:WHAMMO is the greatest committee name I’ve ever heard of.”

OOC: I still think WASP trumps that. :P
OOC: Well, I guess that’s up there too
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Postby Whovian Tardisia » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:22 pm

"We will most certainly vote for. Environmental protection is very important, especially when it benefits sapients to boot."

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Fauxia wrote:WHAMMO is the greatest committee name I’ve ever heard of.”

OOC: I still think WASP trumps that. :P

Despite it's offensiveness, GESTAPO is still at the top of my list, mainly because there is no IC issue with the name.
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:10 am

Araraukar wrote:
Fauxia wrote:WHAMMO is the greatest committee name I’ve ever heard of.”

OOC: I still think WASP trumps that. :P

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:57 am

Araraukar wrote:
Fauxia wrote:WHAMMO is the greatest committee name I’ve ever heard of.”

OOC: I still think WASP trumps that. :P


OOC: Not a chance in hell, sorry. :)




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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:20 pm

Fairburn: Does this proposal permit marriages between wetlands?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:30 pm

States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: Does this proposal permit marriages between wetlands?

"Did not you read the invisible clauses at the end?"

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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:34 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: Does this proposal permit marriages between wetlands?

"Did not you read the invisible clauses at the end?"

Fairburn: Ah, my mistake. The current mandates satisfy our Delegation and so we support.
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Postby Fauxia » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:38 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: Does this proposal permit marriages between wetlands?

"Did not you read the invisible clauses at the end?"
"Wait, I thought they banned them?"
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:07 am

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Wolfhawk
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Postby Wolfhawk » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:11 pm

oh joy, another committee. Against

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Postby American MapleStory » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:16 pm

Wolfhawk wrote:oh joy, another committee. Against


Another anti-business** committee that's going to be loaded with useless expensive bureaucrats.

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Postby Ransium » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:05 pm

Big money... no whammies... STOP!

Anyway, surprising no one, we have voted for. Long live mangroves!
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Eldrahar
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Postby Eldrahar » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:28 pm

A few issues with this, like my issues with some real life laws. One, this is basically adding extra costs and taxes. We have enough of those already. While I'm all for protecting the environment, this proposal is far too big on the regulations and requirements. It leaves little room for compromise, and will be a big drain on economies and businesses. As businesses will simply pass along their extra costs to their consumers, this will harm the buying power of consumers. This will hurt economies and. In short, this bill does very little while raising costs astronomically. A horrible idea altogether.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:57 pm

Quintus slowly sips a glass of Tarsonian bourbon while reading over the proposal. After a few minutes and a clear floor he activates the podium of his station clearing his theist: "This bill seems to be in order. However, if it pleases the Assembly, could the ambassador from Seperatists Peoples expand on Article 1, sub section C,... specifically on what exactly these mitigation credits are and how they'll positively impact our efforts to preserve these crucial biomes?"
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Postby Juzopia » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:50 am

"Keep your hands off my industry. Against."

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Postby Dragonslinding WA Mission » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:51 am

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Postby FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:56 am

We respectfully vote against this resolution due to its implications for taxation, and in hopes that a completely private alternative may one day be developed to protect the wetlands for the various benefits laid out in the opening of this proposal.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:51 am

FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:...in hopes that a completely private alternative may one day be developed to protect the wetlands...


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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:22 am

Wolfhawk wrote:oh joy, another committee. Against

"Good for you."

American MapleStory wrote:
Another anti-business** committee that's going to be loaded with useless expensive bureaucrats.

AGAINST!

"Clearly you don't understand how bureaucracy works."

Juzopia wrote:"Keep your hands off my industry. Against."

"No."

Tarsonis wrote:Quintus slowly sips a glass of Tarsonian bourbon while reading over the proposal. After a few minutes and a clear floor he activates the podium of his station clearing his theist: "This bill seems to be in order. However, if it pleases the Assembly, could the ambassador from Seperatists Peoples expand on Article 1, sub section C,... specifically on what exactly these mitigation credits are and how they'll positively impact our efforts to preserve these crucial biomes?"

"You pay money based on the environmental value of the wetland for impacts that are unavoidable. That money goes back to WAMMO to fund it. This serves as an economic incentive to use less invasive methods while also funding conservation efforts."

Eldrahar wrote:A few issues with this, like my issues with some real life laws. One, this is basically adding extra costs and taxes. We have enough of those already. While I'm all for protecting the environment, this proposal is far too big on the regulations and requirements. It leaves little room for compromise, and will be a big drain on economies and businesses. As businesses will simply pass along their extra costs to their consumers, this will harm the buying power of consumers. This will hurt economies and. In short, this bill does very little while raising costs astronomically. A horrible idea altogether.

"Environmental protection necessarily involves some costs. That's because the environment is not economically productive, but nonetheless essential to survival."

OOC: Funny, this is almost identical to US wetland law, and yet the US economy hasn't utterly collapsed. :roll: Hyperbole is hyperbolic, and is therefore ignored.

FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:We respectfully vote against this resolution due to its implications for taxation, and in hopes that a completely private alternative may one day be developed to protect the wetlands for the various benefits laid out in the opening of this proposal.


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Postby Queer AnComville » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:28 am

"The Collective is heavily devoted to the environment and will have no problem meeting the requirements set forth in this resolution. Further, the Collective believes it is essential, for the good of the world, to work with others to protect the environment. The Collective votes for."
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Postby Zakuvia » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:09 am

"After deliberation in the Senate, I am announcing that the Empire will not support the WHAMMO legislation. While we understand the gesture of environmentalism, and in full recognition that this will put us on the side of those forces profiteering from the planet's destruction, we cannot in good faith support half-measures. No amount of tokens, credits, transferable or otherwise, will restore lost wetlands ruined by industrial encroachment and pollution. All the 'best practices' in the world mean nothing if all it takes to circumvent them is a meaningless 'sin tax'. Though this vote is largely ceremonial, considering the overwhelming support it already has, even within the DSA, the Empire must stand firm in its convictions."

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Postby Tarsonis » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:19 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Quintus slowly sips a glass of Tarsonian bourbon while reading over the proposal. After a few minutes and a clear floor he activates the podium of his station clearing his theist: "This bill seems to be in order. However, if it pleases the Assembly, could the ambassador from Seperatists Peoples expand on Article 1, sub section C,... specifically on what exactly these mitigation credits are and how they'll positively impact our efforts to preserve these crucial biomes?"

"You pay money based on the environmental value of the wetland for impacts that are unavoidable. That money goes back to WAMMO to fund it. This serves as an economic incentive to use less invasive methods while also funding conservation efforts."
.

"So,..is it a tax?...or a fine?

My only issue that it's not very clear how this is supposed to operate. Do we basically buy the rights to fill in a bayou?"
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