[Passed] Repeal "Condemn Nazi Europe"

[Nabta Playa]

From the Guide to the Security Council, subsection on Commending and Condemning:

The nominee’s actions need to be immortalized for future generations to learn from.

We of Nabta Playa believe that the original condemnation should stand for this reason. As we are still a relatively green in our dealings with this council, we welcome debate on this topic while still encouraging that the original condemnation stand and that it not be repealed.

[Wilfred Test]

Contradictory. Your plan on not giving Nazi Europe any more attention is to ignore their new region, Nazi Europa, and bring their condemnation into the spotlight again. Clearly this is just a one-up for the author.

The condemnation should stand as a lesson to any similar regions. Against.

[Mundiferrum]

Contradictory. Your plan on not giving Nazi Europe any more attention is to ignore their new region, Nazi Europa, and bring their condemnation into the spotlight again. Clearly this is just a one-up for the author.

The condemnation should stand as a lesson to any similar regions. Against.

Of course, they're already receiving attention by having this resolution actually at vote....
And since I'm treating this as more of an R&R sort of thing (I believe an ambassador here mentioned something about some condemnation on Nazi Europa being drafted?), and since the attention shift this resolution derives is only temporary, ultimately leading to a much larger loss of attention onto Nazi Europe, I guess I should be voting FOR....but then again, I am sort of all for historical authenticity (and whatnot), since even though that idea has already been desecrated a bunch of times, I'd much prefer to try and keep it as alive as possible, so I might also later vote AGAINST. But anyway, there you go: we're voting FOR, for now....

[Imperial Republic of Shadow]

Here is my view,

They did wrong and were condemned for it.

You do not rewrite history and remove what was done. You leave the condemnation on the books for all to see what happens when you violate the precepts of the World assembly.

If they have improved and are no longer a threat, we can commend them for the vast strides forward that they did but the history is still there.

To refer to something in offline politics. Nazi Germany did evil things and they were condemned and they are held up as example of evil for all the world and history books talk about it. We don't remove what they did from the history books because modern Germany was conquered, improved and does not do these things.

This should not be repealed. No commendation or condemnation should ever be repealed.

[Nabta Playa]

If they have improved and are no longer a threat, we can commend them for the vast strides forward that they did but the history is still there.
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This should not be repealed. No commendation or condemnation should ever be repealed.

We approve wholeheartedly with your logic. Nabta Playa agrees.

[District XIV]

No commendation or condemnation should ever be repealed.

By that logic you're saying that even if a nation went around and did extremely terrible things after being commended, we shouldn't repeal their commendation just cuz...

That makes no sense.

[HMS Unicorn]

So, who controls the new Founder?

From his statements in this thread, Balder delegate North East Somerset.

The region is under joint NPA-UIAF ownership, and the founder is jointly controlled by myself and NES.

As owner of the founder nation, I support this repeal. The North Pacific citizens have also supported it in our forum. Accordingly, I have voted for the repeal in the Security Council.

[Imperial Republic of Shadow]

No commendation or condemnation should ever be repealed.

By that logic you're saying that even if a nation went around and did extremely terrible things after being commended, we shouldn't repeal their commendation just cuz...

That makes no sense.

That is exactly what I am saying, they were commmended originally for good things and it should go in the records that they were once. We should in this example, condemn them for their new activities and encourage them to go back to what earned them the commendation (which would still be on file as example that they were once looked up to.).

It is one thing to repeal laws and legislation, but Kudos for good jobs or disapproval for bad should remain in the books to show the history of how things have been. We of the Imperial Republic of Shadow are opponents of any sort of revisionist history.

[Nabta Playa]

Perhaps there could be some sort of happy compromise to these two positions.

The commendations and condemnations can continue to be repealed when they are no longer merited (as seems to be the status quo) but a running indelible list can be made annotated and archived. That way those that have been commended &/or condemned are only under the "influence" of whatever is actually most current/relevant and, at the same time it would be easy to look back through the chronicles and say, "Ah, it seems as if X has a history of bad behaviour. We'd best be careful of them! But look over there. Y trends towards the awesome on a regular basis, seems a good idea to keep an eye on them just so we can be better nations ourselves."

The list wouldn't include the full text of the original com/con, but instead a generalization indicating why the nation rcvd the com/con in the first place.

What do we think of the idea?

Oh, and if everyone thinks it's an awesome idea, I nominate anyone other than Nabta Playa to be in charge of the record keeping.

[The divided]

Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE" was passed 5,064 votes to 3,190.

End of an era....

[Chester Pearson]

Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE" was passed 5,064 votes to 3,190.

End of an era....

So what's next? Are we going to repeal Jakker's condemnation, seeing as he doesn't exist anymore, so therefore it is a waste of space on the books? How about we start repealing all of the resolutions in both Assemblies passed by nations that no longer exist, as they are no longer around to defend them?

[The Dourian Embassy]

End of an era....

So what's next? Are we going to repeal Jakker's condemnation, seeing as he doesn't exist anymore, so therefore it is a waste of space on the books? How about we start repealing all of the resolutions in both Assemblies passed by nations that no longer exist, as they are no longer around to defend them?

Hold on Chester; I think you're going a little overboard. I don't think you should go quite that far. I mean you can if you'd like, nothing stopping you, but there are certainly others who would, I think, voice loud opinions against such a plan.

[Chester Pearson]

So what's next? Are we going to repeal Jakker's condemnation, seeing as he doesn't exist anymore, so therefore it is a waste of space on the books? How about we start repealing all of the resolutions in both Assemblies passed by nations that no longer exist, as they are no longer around to defend them?

Hold on Chester; I think you're going a little overboard. I don't think you should go quite that far. I mean you can if you'd like, nothing stopping you, but there are certainly others who would, I think, voice loud opinions against such a plan.

Why? You have just accomplished the same thing. What real harm was this resolution doing by staying?

[Misley]

So what's next? Are we going to repeal Jakker's condemnation, seeing as he doesn't exist anymore, so therefore it is a waste of space on the books? How about we start repealing all of the resolutions in both Assemblies passed by nations that no longer exist, as they are no longer around to defend them?

Hold on Chester; I think you're going a little overboard. I don't think you should go quite that far. I mean you can if you'd like, nothing stopping you, but there are certainly others who would, I think, voice loud opinions against such a plan.

Chester going overboard? I can't believe it!

[Chester Pearson]

Hold on Chester; I think you're going a little overboard. I don't think you should go quite that far. I mean you can if you'd like, nothing stopping you, but there are certainly others who would, I think, voice loud opinions against such a plan.

Chester going overboard? I can't believe it!

I don't believe your opinion was solicited......

[Misley]

Chester going overboard? I can't believe it!

I don't believe your opinion was solicited......

I don't believe the ridiculous number of periods you use in your ellipses is solicited, either....................

Regardless, the original Condemnation is still in the archives and easily accessible. It's not as if this repeal wipes it from history.

[Chester Pearson]

I don't believe your opinion was solicited......

I don't believe the ridiculous number of periods you use in your ellipses is solicited, either....................

Regardless, the original Condemnation is still in the archives and easily accessible. It's not as if this repeal wipes it from history.

So now it has come to platitudes?

[Applebania]

So what's next? Are we going to repeal Jakker's condemnation, seeing as he doesn't exist anymore, so therefore it is a waste of space on the books?

Jakker exists again now.

[Chester Pearson]

So what's next? Are we going to repeal Jakker's condemnation, seeing as he doesn't exist anymore, so therefore it is a waste of space on the books?

Jakker exists again now.

Of course he does....

[Jakker]

Jakker exists again now.

Of course he does....

Just so you know, Chester, I agree with your sentiments. This repeal was silly on many levels.