[PASSED] Ban on Leaded Fuel

[Mundiferrum]

For your viewing pleasure: A list of how it would benefit you to restrict leaded fuel use.

Even small amounts of leaded fuel use can cause negative health effects, especially in children, and can accumulate in soil in amounts far above natural negligible amounts.
If only a small population uses leaded fuels, then your fuel companies are likely spending more money on delivering, storing, and distributing the fuel than it would cost to subsidize conversion. This is because carrying another product in sufficient quantity increases fixed costs.
Modern unleaded fuel is more efficient, resulting in less fuel use overall.

Now, as stated earlier, just because something in your nation is not a problem does not mean that it should be ignored. Genocide isn't a problem in Defwa but we'd still prefer to have legislation on it. One of the main ideas behind legislating through the WA that ignore serious problems is to force them to do the right thing.

But that's our decision. The Yakusan Environmental Agency have researched the topic and have found no actionable risk. We haven't noticed any related health problems of people living in areas where there is a presence of leaded fuel use. But our opinion on this matter is very much divided back at the Yakusan Foreign Ministry. We could, if we see suitable reason, come to a different conclusion for our vote on this proposal.

But we're not legislating for just the Yakus. We're legislating for everyone in this improbable (by ancient Mundiferri standards) universe. There may be no issues with you, but there must definitely be issues somewhere else.
And if you argue that we shouldn't support this for "nationstate democracy" (by your definition, at least), then I am sure the exit would find your ideas very welcome. Leaded fuel is just too damn dangerous to really use (OOC: referring to resources story-imported from the IRL sources above), what with all the good, cheap, easy-to-implement alternatives sitting around....

[Bears Armed Mission]

OOC: This will now probably be submitted on Tuesday, with a TG campaign, once I've got a few other things [some NS, some RL] out of the way.

[Jakuso]

But that's our decision. The Yakusan Environmental Agency have researched the topic and have found no actionable risk. We haven't noticed any related health problems of people living in areas where there is a presence of leaded fuel use. But our opinion on this matter is very much divided back at the Yakusan Foreign Ministry. We could, if we see suitable reason, come to a different conclusion for our vote on this proposal.

OOC: You're still not really understanding how international legislation works internationally.
And if YEA is a credible organization with findings like that, you must exist in a universe where regular laws of science dont apply. I wash my hands of you.

Wow... I don't think you understood the last part of my statement. I said our opinion could CHANGE, yet I don't see you trying to persuade me to do so.

But that's our decision. The Yakusan Environmental Agency have researched the topic and have found no actionable risk. We haven't noticed any related health problems of people living in areas where there is a presence of leaded fuel use. But our opinion on this matter is very much divided back at the Yakusan Foreign Ministry. We could, if we see suitable reason, come to a different conclusion for our vote on this proposal.

But we're not legislating for just the Yakus. We're legislating for everyone in this improbable (by ancient Mundiferri standards) universe. There may be no issues with you, but there must definitely be issues somewhere else.
And if you argue that we shouldn't support this for "nationstate democracy" (by your definition, at least), then I am sure the exit would find your ideas very welcome. Leaded fuel is just too damn dangerous to really use (OOC: referring to resources story-imported from the IRL sources above), what with all the good, cheap, easy-to-implement alternatives sitting around....

If you're trying to ask me to leave this chamber, please don't. I have as much right to sit here as you do. Like I said before; the Yakusan stance could change. We are currently half and half with this issue. The good folk at the YEA are meeting to speak in this matter, to read the records and reports on what decision to make.

[Elke and Elba]

OOC: You're still not really understanding how international legislation works internationally.
And if YEA is a credible organization with findings like that, you must exist in a universe where regular laws of science dont apply. I wash my hands of you.

Wow... I don't think you understood the last part of my statement. I said our opinion could CHANGE, yet I don't see you trying to persuade me to do so.

But we're not legislating for just the Yakus. We're legislating for everyone in this improbable (by ancient Mundiferri standards) universe. There may be no issues with you, but there must definitely be issues somewhere else.
And if you argue that we shouldn't support this for "nationstate democracy" (by your definition, at least), then I am sure the exit would find your ideas very welcome. Leaded fuel is just too damn dangerous to really use (OOC: referring to resources story-imported from the IRL sources above), what with all the good, cheap, easy-to-implement alternatives sitting around....

If you're trying to ask me to leave this chamber, please don't. I have as much right to sit here as you do. Like I said before; the Yakusan stance could change. We are currently half and half with this issue. The good folk at the YEA are meeting to speak in this matter, to read the records and reports on what decision to make.

"If you don't wish to take the opinions of people in this chamber, and just use some silly organisation that we do not recognise, don't expect us to reply you," Ambassador Norrland exhorted.

"To the Urrsish delegate, thanks for doing a good job. We look forward voting for it. ^_^ "

[Wrapper]

This still hasn't addressed the question of whether or not aviation fuel is included or excluded, has it?

[Defwa]

This still hasn't addressed the question of whether or not aviation fuel is included or excluded, has it?

OOC: I'm not an expert but since use of leaded aviation fuel is on the decline, should it be differentiated here?

[Jakuso]

Wow... I don't think you understood the last part of my statement. I said our opinion could CHANGE, yet I don't see you trying to persuade me to do so.


If you're trying to ask me to leave this chamber, please don't. I have as much right to sit here as you do. Like I said before; the Yakusan stance could change. We are currently half and half with this issue. The good folk at the YEA are meeting to speak in this matter, to read the records and reports on what decision to make.

"If you don't wish to take the opinions of people in this chamber, and just use some silly organisation that we do not recognise, don't expect us to reply you," Ambassador Norrland exhorted.

OOC: Now you are being rude.


IC: I'll have you know that the YEA is a professional organisation. The Yakusan Foreign Ministry will not like what you have just said and it may have weakened the possibility of Yakus voting for this resolution. If you're not going to reply to me, then that is just immature and uncouth for a delegate of a sovereign state.

[Jakuso]

This still hasn't addressed the question of whether or not aviation fuel is included or excluded, has it?

This still hasn't addressed the question of whether or not aviation fuel is included or excluded, has it?

OOC: I'm not an expert but since use of leaded aviation fuel is on the decline, should it be differentiated here?

OOC: Apology for the double post...

IC: Aviation fuel for jet aircraft is kerosene, which is completely different to petrol and diesel, therefore it wouldn't naturally fit into a proposal for the ban of leaded fuels.

[Defwa]

This still hasn't addressed the question of whether or not aviation fuel is included or excluded, has it?

OOC: I'm not an expert but since use of leaded aviation fuel is on the decline, should it be differentiated here?

OOC: Apology for the double post...

IC: Aviation fuel for jet aircraft is kerosene, which is completely different to petrol and diesel, therefore it wouldn't naturally fit into a proposal for the ban of leaded fuels.

Not all planes use jet fuel. But I'm just going to assume that Yakus doesn't use leaded aviation fuel at all, before we start talking about that being a major imposition on extremely poor plane owners.

[Wrapper]

IC: Aviation fuel for jet aircraft is kerosene, which is completely different to petrol and diesel, therefore it wouldn't naturally fit into a proposal for the ban of leaded fuels.

Jets and turboprops do not use leaded fuels. Other propeller-driven aircraft do, including many private planes.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Letting the decision of your vote be decided by your personal feelings towards a particular delegation is just as immature."

[The Dark Star Republic]

"Letting the decision of your vote be decided by your personal feelings towards a particular delegation is just as immature."

OOC: You can hardly blame them, when that's exactly what moderators are advising players to do.

[Jakuso]

"Letting the decision of your vote be decided by your personal feelings towards a particular delegation is just as immature."

What are you talking about?

[Chester Pearson]

"Letting the decision of your vote be decided by your personal feelings towards a particular delegation is just as immature."

OOC: You can hardly blame them, when that's exactly what moderators are advising players to do.

Source?

[Bears Armed]

This still hasn't addressed the question of whether or not aviation fuel is included or excluded, has it?

As the definition of 'leaded fuel' used doesn't specifically exclude leaded aviation fuel, and the sections about vehicles refer simply to "vehicles" rather than to "surface vehicles"... it's included.

[Separatist Peoples]

What are you talking about?

IC: I'll have you know that the YEA is a professional organisation. The Yakusan Foreign Ministry will not like what you have just said and it may have weakened the possibility of Yakus voting for this resolution. If you're not going to reply to me, then that is just immature and uncouth for a delegate of a sovereign state.

"This. If the voting position of Jakuso is weakened because they dislike the tone taken or the suggestion implied, then it is the Jakusan delegation being immature. Whatever the YEA is, it you've certainly presented it as though it ignores real scientific evidence. "

OOC: apologies for the confusion, my phone seems to dislike working with quote coding these days.

[Potted Plants United]

(And in terms of people, this generally applies to most vertebrates. I have no idea how lead affects invertebrates and plants, though I assume that it's just as harmful)

A large potted plant in a big plantpot with wheels suddenly comes to life, revealing a large leaf curled up to form a cone, from which a somewhat hissing voice can be heard:

"Though the same cannot be said of most plants of the non-sapient kind, our selves deal with lead the same way as with any other pollutant that cannot easily be dealt with; it is accumulated into specific leaves or spines or even flower petals, which then are shed and disposed of as any other hazardous waste. In this accumulation process we can bind the lead into a harmless form at the expense of the body part it is stored in.

Though our selves obviously do not need petroleum products of any kind, we are no keener than your regular "greenery" to having to allocate time, resources and effort in neutralizing a poisonous metal. As such, we will be voting for this when it comes up."

OOC: Quick search found me this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21541849
and this: http://www.lead.org.au/lanv1n2/lanv1n2-8.html

[Araraukar]

The atmosphere is already suffering. Yakus is an archipelago in the ocean some distance from any other country. I can't imagine Yakusan emissions making any difference to any other countries, especially at the low levels equivalent to our use of leaded fuel.

Eh, if they want to poison their planet and their people, let them. At least the rest of us can try and keep the rest of the planets' biospheres alive.

OOC: Araraukar, for all practical purposes, exists in a separate planet/reality from the WA nations - even when dealing with PPU, they use the WAHQ nexus for travelling. This is to avoid more newbies trying to take me to II.

[Asrtotzka]

Nadieshda Komvorovska, Ambassador of the Republic of Asrtotzka, says from her seat:

"Honourable Ambassadors:

My People is very well disposed to support this proposal if finally it becomes a resolution. But we have a concern about our industry and the clauses 1 and 3: we have not enough resources to replace all our cars in a four-years term (or, at least, their engines).

Be sure our People shall be glad to help in the objective of improving the environment and the air quality, but we should need one of the two following measures: more than four years to achieve the clauses 1 and 3 or technical and financial aid.

I hope that our People's voice is heard.

Glory to Asrtotzka!".

[Defwa]

Nadieshda Komvorovska, Ambassador of the Republic of Asrtotzka, says from her seat:

"Honourable Ambassadors:

My People is very well disposed to support this proposal if finally it becomes a resolution. But we have a concern about our industry and the clauses 1 and 3: we have not enough resources to replace all our cars in a four-years term (or, at least, their engines).

Be sure our People shall be glad to help in the objective of improving the environment and the air quality, but we should need one of the two following measures: more than four years to achieve the clauses 1 and 3 or technical and financial aid.

I hope that our People's voice is heard.

Glory to Asrtotzka!".

All of your cars run on leaded fuel?

[Araraukar]

Be sure our People shall be glad to help in the objective of improving the environment and the air quality, but we should need one of the two following measures: more than four years to achieve the clauses 1 and 3 or technical and financial aid.

All of your cars run on leaded fuel?

If all their cars run on leaded fuel, they can run on fuel that doesn't have lead but which will work on cars originally designed to run on leaded fuel. Problem solved, until the natural rate of car turnover eventually leads to a situation where all cars in use have been designed with unleaded fuel in mind.

[Asrtotzka]

Mrs. Komvorovska answers from her seat:

All of your cars run on leaded fuel?

"About the 76% of our petrol cars are designed for leaded fuel. Our production, unforntunately, reaches the 100% of leaded fuel cars.

If all their cars run on leaded fuel, they can run on fuel that doesn't have lead but which will work on cars originally designed to run on leaded fuel. Problem solved, until the natural rate of car turnover eventually leads to a situation where all cars in use have been designed with unleaded fuel in mind.

At this moment two out of our three automotive manufacturing factories are capable to make engines for unleaded fuel, including the catalytic converter. Unfortunately, our production rate is not enough even to supply the third factory.

But if catalytic converter is not needed on existing vehicles, then we can achieve the proposed goal in the specified term.

Once your Excellencies have solved this doubt, I will send the message to our First Secretary, Excellent Jorji Costava [Mrs Komvorovska makes a light reverence] to update Him in order to design the adaptation plans to the new production.

Glory to Asrtotzka!"

[Defwa]

OOC: Is Asrtotzka living in that iron curtain era fictional eastern European setting from Papers Please? I'm trying to figure out the disconnect from modern technology

[Valendia]

But that's our decision. The Yakusan Environmental Agency have researched the topic and have found no actionable risk. We haven't noticed any related health problems of people living in areas where there is a presence of leaded fuel use. But our opinion on this matter is very much divided back at the Yakusan Foreign Ministry. We could, if we see suitable reason, come to a different conclusion for our vote on this proposal.

"Does the YEA happen to get their bottom line from a consortium of petrochemical corporate representatives, perchance?"

[Normlpeople]

If all their cars run on leaded fuel, they can run on fuel that doesn't have lead but which will work on cars originally designed to run on leaded fuel. Problem solved, until the natural rate of car turnover eventually leads to a situation where all cars in use have been designed with unleaded fuel in mind.

At this moment two out of our three automotive manufacturing factories are capable to make engines for unleaded fuel, including the catalytic converter. Unfortunately, our production rate is not enough even to supply the third factory.

But if catalytic converter is not needed on existing vehicles, then we can achieve the proposed goal in the specified term.
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OOC: Since Clover isn't a mechanic. Cats weren't on the older leaded vehicles, they are emissions only devices. Since GAR #257 already requires nations to take action to curb those, you are likely already using something similar...

As far as making engines goes, its a simple change in material on the valve seats. Everything else is the same. Not really industry breaking.