[DEFEATED] Liberate Capitalist Paradise

[Reformed Confederate States]

Well, this is a steaming pile of crap excuse for a Liberation if I ever saw one. Polish this turd all you want and it will still be but a shiny turd; thus my vote is against the resolution.

It's basically a repeat of Liberate Haven.

Eh, kinda. The style and purpose is similar, but it causes a slightly different issue.

[Rigel Empire]

How the hell did this drek get to vote? Against!

[Sternberg]

IC:

Noting the similarities between this resolution and the dubious "Liberate Haven" debacle and groaning in frustration, the Consul could do naught but repeatedly bang his forehead against his desk.

OOC:

....

Really? We're back to this sort of thing again? Is everyone merely piggy-backing off of the disaster that was "Liberate Haven" now these days, just so they can get us all into a twist? Is there something about this I am missing? Because the wording of this resolution and the aforementioned mess just seems too close to be coincidence.

Can the OP mind explaining exactly what the intended outcome of this is, or what the justification for it is? Because right now, I'm seeing an insta-slap AGAINST on the cards unless there's a really good explanation for it or it tackles a completely different set of intended means to a goal entirely.

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One thorough reading of preceeding posts later ...

This ... this is ... I can only summarise that, whoever has drafted this - whether it be Nominairistan, Nierr, whoever - has completely undermined the supposed justification for this liberation by failing to justify why it should pass and also, according to prior posting, has been dragging the Security Council down on what seems to be a one-nation crusade for unjustified vengeance; said target has already been dismissed, thus rendering this 'liberation' meaningless.

In the same vein of the late Joseph N. Welch, I appeal:

"Ambassador, may we not drop this? We know that the late "Liberate Liberal Haven" proposal and the actions of those who were both for and against it, has spurred a more fundamental division within the NS community. Let us come together in common understanding and not assassinate this matter any more - you've done enough.

Have you no decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency? "

I have therefore voted AGAINST this proposal and will stand on this stance on all future 'Liberations' in relation to this month-long debacle until a satisfactory compromise with all parties can be successfully ratified.

[Genovia-Karlsruhe]

Noting this Council's mission statement to spread interregional peace and goodwill, via force if necessary.

Declaring that the former of the two stated goals is more important to the international community than the latter

Acknowledging, therefore, that sometimes the latter must be sacrificed for the former, the World Assembly Security Council;

Recognises that the residents of Capitalist Paradise are not fulfilling the region's potential

Deciding that others could put Capitalist Paradise to better use

Observes the presence of one or more nations who are engaged in dubious practices in Capitalist Paradise

Hoping that one day this resolution will be able to contribute to the goal of fulfilling Capitalist Paradises' potential to the fullest

Accepting that this might take some time

Hereby Liberates Capitalist Paradise

The International Affairs Joint Select Committee of the Federal Parliament recognises the attempts to liberate the above mentioned region. That being said, the Joint Select Committee and the Federal Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Regional Integration and International Development; believes insufficient evidence or information was provided for the country to support this resolution in its current form.

We hereby DECLINE to provide our support for this resolution; and will conform with the collective foreign policy of our allies in Albion.

Sincerely,
Dame Elizabeth Blekinsopp,
Federal Minister for Foreign Affairs, Regional Integration and International Development,
Genovia-Karlsruhe

Sincerely,
Sir Charles Kuester von Ratenicz,
Prime Minister and Federal Minister for the Civil Service,
Genovia-Karlsruhe

[Vicious Debaters]

?They're putting this to vote?

What the holy fuck? Afforess is gone, the game has changed, and general consensus was that this proposal wasn't even legit when Afforess was here and everyone wanted to target them. Some people don't move on, I guess.

I encourage everyone to shoot this proposal down.

[United Musicians Against Modern Music]

The rights of a region that is open and not locked out should be the sole responsibility of the nation or nations that started mentioned region

[Mundiferrum]

Based on the arguments presented by both sides on this issue, I can say that the only reasonable course of action with regards to this resolution is to vote promptly AGAINST, then leave the matter to fade away into obscurity. The arguments presented by those supporting this resolution have been meaningless and repetitive; the arguments against were also repetitive (by virtue of the repetition of this resolution's supporters, no doubt), but they were well-grounded, especially with regards to how the matter being addressed, with the deletion of the nation who was supposedly the start of all this, has been completely laid to rest. So, once again, fellow member-nations of the World Assembly, I urge you to vote AGAINST this proposal....

Or vote for, then vote for for my insta-repeal.

[Toronina]

Now the OP is Advertising this. Is that agaisnt SC Rules? Because if not, it should be!

[Nierr]

How the hell did this drek get to vote? Against!

Because it's really easy to get something to vote.

[Nierr]

Now the OP is Advertising this. Is that agaisnt SC Rules? Because if not, it should be!

No, I am not 'advertising this'. If I was, I'd use this nation.

Campaigning is completely legal and has always been legal. If you're too inept to check the block campaign tgs box in your tg preferences that's your own lookout.

[Goddess Relief Office]

I'm voting Against as well.

Afforess is a jerk and twice rule-breaker but he does not equate an entire region. I am disturbed though, that Capitalist Paradise didn't remove him sooner or come up with any statement to condemn his threat to hack NS.

[Mundiferrum]

I'm voting Against as well.

Afforess is a jerk and twice rule-breaker but he does not equate an entire region. I am disturbed though, that Capitalist Paradise didn't remove him sooner or come up with any statement to condemn his threat to hack NS.

They probably saw the threat for what it obviously was: a joke born out of frustration. The second Liberate Haven really received too much flak as compared to what he probably expected it to, perhaps because though he himself posted it in good humor, most people did not treat it as such; hence, Capitalist Paradise probably saw his actions post-Haven (and, due to this supposed good humor, even while-Haven) as tolerable, if not natural, and somewhat amusing, unreasonable to be a cause for banjection. I mean, it was fairly obvious that the second Liberate Haven would most definitely not be even submitted, so the massive amount of flak it received truly felt uneven.

[Nierr]

Yeah, that proposal was not posted in good humour. It was posted to troll people.

[Dubnia]

Lets break this down line by line:

Noting this Council's mission statement to spread interregional peace and goodwill, via force if necessary.

First of all, who cares? You can see this on the WA Page, we don't need you to restate this. Plus, this doesn't make sense to have.

Declaring that peace is more important to the international community than goodwill

Once again, who cares? More importantly, though, you cannot decide what others think, thus you cannot declare this, but I'm wasting my time talking about it.

Acknowledging therefore, that sometimes goodwill must be sacrificed for peace, the World Assembly Security Council;

Liberating Capitalist Paradise won't just sacrifice good will, by submitting this proposal, you are sacrificing any allegations that you have the ability to reason properly.

Recognises that the residents of Capitalist Paradise are not fulfilling the region's potential

What is a region's "potential" Capitalist Paradise is a fine and very influential region in the world, considering a few mods and forum mods, issues editors, and the creator of the beloved NS++ all call Capitalist Paradise home.

Deciding that others could put Capitalist Paradise to better use

First, who are you to decide that? Second, if that is your goal, how will liberating it help?

Observes the presence of one or more nations who are engaged in dubious practices in Capitalist Paradise

Any experience player knows that there is a raiding front in almost every region with more than about 150 nations.

Hoping that one day this resolution will be able to contribute to the goal of fulfilling Capitalist Paradise's potential to the fullest

As with most of these lines; who cares? Capitalist Paradise isn't going to go along with your plan. But not only that, Capitalist Paradise has neither a ban list nor does it have a password, rendering your liberation useless, and just some icon they would have next to their name. Aside from that, I am sure every nation in the region who knows about the WA resolution and then some are going to propose an insta-repeal of this.

Accepting that this might take some time

The only thing I have to say about this is: "What may take some time?"

Hereby Liberates Capitalist Paradise

If this is truly a joke proposal, why would you even submit it? This created a huge debate that amounts to nothing, and has given a whole bunch of new nations who don't know better the wrong idea about WA resolutions and their purposes, and has done much more harm than the passage of this resolution ever could.

[NERVUN]

I'm voting Against as well.

Afforess is a jerk and twice rule-breaker but he does not equate an entire region. I am disturbed though, that Capitalist Paradise didn't remove him sooner or come up with any statement to condemn his threat to hack NS.

Let's not name call, ok?

[Nierr]

If this is truly a joke proposal, why would you even submit it? This created a huge debate that amounts to nothing, and has given a whole bunch of new nations who don't know better the wrong idea about WA resolutions and their purposes, and has done much more harm than the passage of this resolution ever could.

Thank you for acknowledging my success.

[Mundiferrum]

If this is truly a joke proposal, why would you even submit it? This created a huge debate that amounts to nothing, and has given a whole bunch of new nations who don't know better the wrong idea about WA resolutions and their purposes, and has done much more harm than the passage of this resolution ever could.

Thank you for acknowledging my success.

Essentially, you acted like the nation you're 'attacking' by this proposal.

[Maltropia]

Thank you for acknowledging my success.

Essentially, you acted like the nation you're 'attacking' by this proposal.

I'm pretty sure Nierr is aware of this.

[Nierr]

Thank you for acknowledging my success.

Essentially, you acted like the nation you're 'attacking' by this proposal.

I'm attacking an entire region with this proposal, and I'm sure they'd rather not be compared to me.

[Mundiferrum]

Essentially, you acted like the nation you're 'attacking' by this proposal.

I'm attacking an entire region with this proposal, and I'm sure they'd rather not be compared to me.

You're misrepresenting the region for the nation. Again. Not only are you acting like you-know-who, you're being....well....

[Panageadom]

...I am disturbed though, that Capitalist Paradise didn't remove him sooner or come up with any statement to condemn his threat to hack NS.

Haven't had much time to mull it over, but I suspect that both of those things would be unconstitutional, according to our constitution. Self-governance, all that.

[Upper America]

Essentially, you acted like the nation you're 'attacking' by this proposal.

I'm attacking an entire region with this proposal, and I'm sure they'd rather not be compared to me.

The region didn't do jack shit. You just didn't like their founder or whatever, so you went after a region that had nothing to do with all those accusations you tacked on them.

[Nierr]

I'm attacking an entire region with this proposal, and I'm sure they'd rather not be compared to me.

The region didn't do jack shit. You just didn't like their founder or whatever, so you went after a region that had nothing to do with all those accusations you tacked on them.

If you have on your World Factbook Entry "hey, use our tool NS++' or what ever it was that was up there until very, very recently, then yes, you are responsible for actions taken by the tool and that tool's creator.

[Mundiferrum]

The region didn't do jack shit. You just didn't like their founder or whatever, so you went after a region that had nothing to do with all those accusations you tacked on them.

If you have on your World Factbook Entry "hey, use our tool NS++' or what ever it was that was up there until very, very recently, then yes, you are responsible for actions taken by the tool and that tool's creator.

Because NS++ is the thing that started this debate, is it not? No, it isn't: it's not even close to the core. You said it yourself, this is all retribution....for a proposal that never even got submitted. To somehow "hit the gameplayers", because that will definitely help interregional peace.
Also, the moments NS++ have actually somehow (coz' the manipulations, as has been stated, were never direct, and in fact could have been easily ignored) done something wrong were extremely few, so even if NS++ was the core of your debate, it's still a fairly baseless argument.
And endorsing the product a member of your region made is definitely the same as sponsoring every single action of that member.

[Upper America]

The region didn't do jack shit. You just didn't like their founder or whatever, so you went after a region that had nothing to do with all those accusations you tacked on them.

If you have on your World Factbook Entry "hey, use our tool NS++' or what ever it was that was up there until very, very recently, then yes, you are responsible for actions taken by the tool and that tool's creator.

So then my region must be evil, too, because we advertise NS++. It's not everyone's fault that NS++ has some exploits in the system.

I believe this proposal is the result of something else. Either you absolutely hate this region, and want to get revenge for no reason, or you want to drag everyone into the raiding game like Mall tried. I don't like it either way. I swear, if this proposal passes, I'm leaving the WA. It should not be exploited like this.