[DEFEATED] Repeal "Liberate Liberal Haven"

[Mousebumples]

Proposed by Equality and Liberty - no thread seen.

Seeing that, Liberal Haven, a region previously under attack, has been successfully liberated, and the region has restored a rightful, native elected delegate.

Noting that all the previous invaders of the region have been banned, and no longer pose a threat.

Clarifying that the new delegate may want to put a Native-Made password on the region for their safety and the continued safety of the region.

With this in mind, the resolution
hereby repeals "Liberate Liberal Haven"

[Moronist Decisions]

Europeia votes AGAINST this repeal. While we acknowledge that Liberal Haven has been liberated, we find that it is still under threat from Nazis, and repeal of such a liberation may be detrimental to the success of the region recovering from such. We further find there to be no publicly stated native support for this repeal.

Moronist Decisions
World Assembly Delegate for Europeia

[Defendingg]

delegate with only 2 endos?

Yeah bad idea, not time yet. Against.

[Cormac A Stark]

Thanks to Moronist Decisions for starting a topic for this. I'll just post a modified version of the campaign telegram I've just sent to all Delegates.

As the author of Liberate Liberal Haven, I am deeply concerned for the well-being of the natives of Liberal Haven and for their security against further Nazi invasion. As of this time and despite the repeal author's claims, there is no indication that the natives of Liberal Haven want the liberation resolution repealed or want to impose password protection upon the region.

Moreover, the defending forces of the Lazarene Liberation Army have indicated here that the Nazi and Fascist coalition of Right Wing Uprising is still trying to plant sleeper nations in Liberal Haven for the purpose of once again invading and occupying the region. We need to ensure that if they are successful, they cannot once again impose a password upon the region.

I also want to call your attention to these forum posts by the repeal author, which demonstrate that the author was against the liberation resolution to begin with, is against all liberation resolutions, and believed that the Nazi invaders had a right to do whatever they pleased with Liberal Haven -- including purging its natives and re-founding it.

Forum Post 1
Forum Post 2

It appears that the repeal author is being disingenuous in their concern for the well-being of Liberal Haven's natives, and we can't rule out the possibility that they are in league with invaders who want to invade and occupy the region again.

I hope everyone will vote against this repeal.

[Akkaga]

Though I am not the WA delegate for my region, I vote no for myself.

[Defendingg]

Thanks to Moronist Decisions for starting a topic for this. I'll just post a modified version of the campaign telegram I've just sent to all Delegates.

As the author of Liberate Liberal Haven, I am deeply concerned for the well-being of the natives of Liberal Haven and for their security against further Nazi invasion. As of this time and despite the repeal author's claims, there is no indication that the natives of Liberal Haven want the liberation resolution repealed or want to impose password protection upon the region.

Moreover, the defending forces of the Lazarene Liberation Army have indicated here that the Nazi and Fascist coalition of Right Wing Uprising is still trying to plant sleeper nations in Liberal Haven for the purpose of once again invading and occupying the region. We need to ensure that if they are successful, they cannot once again impose a password upon the region.

I also want to call your attention to these forum posts by the repeal author, which demonstrate that the author was against the liberation resolution to begin with, is against all liberation resolutions, and believed that the Nazi invaders had a right to do whatever they pleased with Liberal Haven -- including purging its natives and re-founding it.

Forum Post 1
Forum Post 2

It appears that the repeal author is being disingenuous in their concern for the well-being of Liberal Haven's natives, and we can't rule out the possibility that they are in league with invaders who want to invade and occupy the region again.

I hope everyone will vote against this repeal.

Lets expand on this:

Look at the two biggest delegates voting for this:

Duck-Boss (42), At Sea (37)

Duck-Boss
At sea

This is such a fraud.

[Akkaga]

Thanks to Moronist Decisions for starting a topic for this. I'll just post a modified version of the campaign telegram I've just sent to all Delegates.

As the author of Liberate Liberal Haven, I am deeply concerned for the well-being of the natives of Liberal Haven and for their security against further Nazi invasion. As of this time and despite the repeal author's claims, there is no indication that the natives of Liberal Haven want the liberation resolution repealed or want to impose password protection upon the region.

Moreover, the defending forces of the Lazarene Liberation Army have indicated here that the Nazi and Fascist coalition of Right Wing Uprising is still trying to plant sleeper nations in Liberal Haven for the purpose of once again invading and occupying the region. We need to ensure that if they are successful, they cannot once again impose a password upon the region.

I also want to call your attention to these forum posts by the repeal author, which demonstrate that the author was against the liberation resolution to begin with, is against all liberation resolutions, and believed that the Nazi invaders had a right to do whatever they pleased with Liberal Haven -- including purging its natives and re-founding it.

Forum Post 1
Forum Post 2

It appears that the repeal author is being disingenuous in their concern for the well-being of Liberal Haven's natives, and we can't rule out the possibility that they are in league with invaders who want to invade and occupy the region again.

I hope everyone will vote against this repeal.

Lets expand on this:

Look at the two biggest delegates voting for this:

Duck-Boss (42), At Sea (37)

Duck-Boss
At sea

This is such a fraud.

As soon as they lose protection, their gonna be invaded again, this time with more assailants.

[District XIV]

I vote no, because:

a) The native delegate has two endorsements
b) The native delegate has not logged in for 25 days

Simple enough.

[New Grestin]

Wow, if this were any shadier, I'd need a flashlight to read it.

No.

Liberal Haven is clearly not in a state where a repeal of the liberation is necessary, nor does it look like the raiders have any intention of leaving the region be.

[Watchers in the Wings]

Far too short. Not interested in voting "For" until a resolution is drafted which adequately argues and defends its points.

[ROM]

The delegate only has 2 endos, and hasn't logged in a while, and the natives want the liberation to stay. Very against.

[Goddess Relief Office]

I wish the author would have posted a draft first. The proposal's severely lacking in quality here. It's an embarrassment that it reached the floor.

[SFBA Campinia]

I will go as far as to say I will banject anyone in my region to vote for this. This proposal is a disgrace!


I will not actually banject anyone for this...

[Applebania]

Opposed. Hard.

[Newly Liberated Rhodesian Microstates]

I think I speak on behalf of The League of Anti Communists when I say you need to instate a 'Treaty of Versailles-esque' clause on them, before they invade more sovereign territory - the communist devils!

[Gert Kynlif]

I think I speak on behalf of The League of Anti Communists when I say you need to instate a 'Treaty of Versailles-esque' clause on them, before they invade more sovereign territory - the communist devils!

Aren't they (the invaders) Nazis and Fascists?

[Arcadia Scorpia]

I think I speak on behalf of The League of Anti Communists when I say you need to instate a 'Treaty of Versailles-esque' clause on them, before they invade more sovereign territory - the communist devils!

Aren't they (the invaders) Nazis and Fascists?

The joke went over your head.

He's implying that everyone that isn't nice is communist.

Anyway, I voted against. At this rate it seems that Liberal Haven is going to be safe for a long time.

[The Federation of Monarchies]

I for one find it appalling that entire regions are dedicated to conquering foreign territory! Sovereign territory! The whole purpose of the Security Council is maintain peace throughout the world.The fact that such regions are allowed to exist, prosper and operate and almost ruin the balance if interregional relations is truly unbelievable. I call for a Security Council that will actually do it's job and maintain security for the world! The Council should prevent these irrational regions before and after the region acts against world peace!

I,am opposed to the motion to withdraw protection from the overrun and occupied region! Furthermore I urge the Council to redefine it's mandate so that regions that wish are protected from Nazi and Facist regions with aggressive expansion policies.

[Newly Liberated Rhodesian Microstates]

Aren't they (the invaders) Nazis and Fascists?[/quote]

I'm not entirely certain, although 'Liberal Haven' doesn't sound too fascist to me! Is this an Anti-fascist organisation, or have they committed an act of aggression?

[Bardoytch]

Aren't they (the invaders) Nazis and Fascists?

I'm not entirely certain, although 'Liberal Haven' doesn't sound too fascist to me! Is this an Anti-fascist organisation, or have they committed an act of aggression?[/quote]

From what I have heard, Liberal Haven was invaded by two or more fascist regions who imposed a password on citizens, ejecting non-fascists and permitting fascists. The original Act removed the password lock and ejected the fascist groups, who are still trying to get in so when the password is imposed they can retake the territory.
The best thing to do, it seems, is to leave it without a password until a stable delegate with both endorsements and activity comes into power with plans to prevent this from happening again.
I voted against.

[Inventio]

From what I have heard, Liberal Haven was invaded by two or more fascist regions who imposed a password on citizens, ejecting non-fascists and permitting fascists. The original Act removed the password lock and ejected the fascist groups, who are still trying to get in so when the password is imposed they can retake the territory.
The best thing to do, it seems, is to leave it without a password until a stable delegate with both endorsements and activity comes into power with plans to prevent this from happening again.
I voted against.

A Liberation removes the Delegate's ability to set a password-- that's it. There's no way for the WA to order invaders ejected.

[Applebania]

Aren't they (the invaders) Nazis and Fascists?

I'm not entirely certain, although 'Liberal Haven' doesn't sound too fascist to me! Is this an Anti-fascist organisation, or have they committed an act of aggression?

From what I have heard, Liberal Haven was invaded by two or more fascist regions who imposed a password on citizens, ejecting non-fascists and permitting fascists. The original Act removed the password lock and ejected the fascist groups, who are still trying to get in so when the password is imposed they can retake the territory.
The best thing to do, it seems, is to leave it without a password until a stable delegate with both endorsements and activity comes into power with plans to prevent this from happening again.
I voted against.[/quote]

The resolution only removed the password, opening the way for defenders to give the facists a good arse-kicking.

[District XIV]

I for one find it appalling that entire regions are dedicated to conquering foreign territory! Sovereign territory! The whole purpose of the Security Council is maintain peace throughout the world.The fact that such regions are allowed to exist, prosper and operate and almost ruin the balance if interregional relations is truly unbelievable. I call for a Security Council that will actually do it's job and maintain security for the world! The Council should prevent these irrational regions before and after the region acts against world peace!

I,am opposed to the motion to withdraw protection from the overrun and occupied region! Furthermore I urge the Council to redefine it's mandate so that regions that wish are protected from Nazi and Facist regions with aggressive expansion policies.

Max Barry, the creator of the game, said that he will not remove R/D. Letting the SC have so much power as to completely disband raiding organizations would remove R/D. Do you know how many people would quit this game if R/D was removed? Lots.

[Gerwin]

Have the natives requested a repeal? If not, I say no, especially since this region lacks the military might to fight off an invasion.

[Christian Democrats]

Current internal vote: 0 to 7

The Rejected Realms is against this proposal because it has seen no evidence the natives support this repeal effort.

World Assembly Affairs Office
The Rejected Realms