[PASSED] Repeal "The Landmine Convention"

[Betoveria]

OOC: Fun fact about WA Law: It doesn't actually apply to non-members. This is why people who don't wanna follow the laws don't get to be part of the WA, but they don't have to follow the laws made by the WA.

[The Dark Star Republic]

Why does the desire to ban other explosive devices require the removal of this one? Nothing in it disallowed the WA from making any further legislation on explosive devices.

OOC: In his repeal, Metox was arguing that it would be too difficult to pass a law banning the other things without landmines, as it would seem too arbitrary. Furthermore, there'd be House of Cards issues with having two separate resolutions on the same issue. It would not be impossible, but a repeal+replace would be much easier. Not that that's what I'm arguing here, I'm just trying to put an expedient gloss on it for people concerned about the repeal passing.

Annexation of a member nation is still forbidden under international law.(This even applies if you are NOT in the WA). Any nation can tell you that you have to stop attacks immediately because they don't want to, and you are prohibited to attack nations that do so and are not attacking you (anymore).
Destruction of nations is forbidden for all member states.

None of this is true. The WA only recognises war as being a mutually consensual act. But that doesn't mean hostile invasion is forbidden: it simply means it is (bizarrely) not recognised as being war.

[Idoits]

I and the people of idoits! vote for this!

[Potted Plants United]

OOC: I am back from the land of the dead, also known as real life! Sorry for vanishing without a word.

Just posting a quick OOC note that 1) I'm sorry I missed the debate, 2) I've always supported the idea that if landmines are banned for being "inhuman", then so should nuclear weapons, and if nukes aren't, landmines shouldn't either; and so 3) have voted for this.

[QCAZZ]

I am begging the members and nations of the WA to change heart and vote to VOTE NO on this issue for the sake of bystanders, children, and tourists. This will create not only a unsafe and dangerous environment for future generations and peoples.

[Idoits]

I am begging the members and nations of the WA to change heart and vote to VOTE NO on this issue for the sake of bystanders, children, and tourists. This will create not only a unsafe and dangerous environment for future generations and peoples.

Landmines are thing to be set out in a battlefield. The only place bystanders,children, and tourist will be injured is if they go onto the battle field!

[Defwa]

I am begging the members and nations of the WA to change heart and vote to VOTE NO on this issue for the sake of bystanders, children, and tourists. This will create not only a unsafe and dangerous environment for future generations and peoples.

Landmines are thing to be set out in a battlefield. The only place bystanders,children, and tourist will be injured is if they go onto the battle field!

Because battlefields are always battle fields, are never near populated areas, you're expected to cordon off that part of your country forever as a monument to military spending.

OOC: Poes law- you're just role playing that way, right?

[Unified Imperial States]

"Civilian casualties aside, we see no reason to sacrifice a portion of our arsenal to keep the international community happy. Our sovereign lord approves, and so do I."

[Defwa]

"Civilian casualties aside, we see no reason to sacrifice a portion of our arsenal to keep the international community happy. Our sovereign lord approves, and so do I."

Well you wouldn't be sacrificing any portion of your arsenal as you shouldn't have this as part of your arsenal to begin with.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

He's from II. They have their own rules over there.

[Unified Imperial States]

"Civilian casualties aside, we see no reason to sacrifice a portion of our arsenal to keep the international community happy. Our sovereign lord approves, and so do I."

Well you wouldn't be sacrificing any portion of your arsenal as you shouldn't have this as part of your arsenal to begin with.

"Your point being?" the ambassador asks with smirk.

[Defwa]

He's from II. They have their own rules over there.

Oh right, so generally useless nation who's opinion means nothing because they don't know what they're doing.
Gotcha.

[The Dark Star Republic]

He's from II. They have their own rules over there.

Oh right, so generally useless nation who's opinion means nothing because they don't know what they're doing.
Gotcha.

So much for the honey over vinegar plan to encourage more people to put their prime nation in the WA, huh? You used to be one of the only WA regulars who doesn't treat newcomers to the forum like absolute shit.

[Defwa]

Oh right, so generally useless nation who's opinion means nothing because they don't know what they're doing.
Gotcha.

So much for the honey over vinegar plan to encourage more people to put their prime nation in the WA, huh? You used to be one of the only WA regulars who doesn't treat newcomers to the forum like absolute shit.

OOC You need to stop being so self righteous. I still give all new comers a fair shake.
However, as OMGTKK just pointed out, the Unified Imperial States is an II player, 75% of his posts are in II. And he just admitted to knowingly violating WA mandate in his nation's arsenal. You know I've always had a problem with that. II has never respected the WA even though many players are member nations too.

[Mesogiria]

Well you wouldn't be sacrificing any portion of your arsenal as you shouldn't have this as part of your arsenal to begin with.

"Your point being?" the ambassador asks with smirk.

"The point being," said the Mesogirian ambassador, shedding his jacket and stretching to limber himself up, "That it's time to partake of an honored custom of this snake-pit: defenestration. Try to land on your ass!"

Overall, it was a 7 out of 10: Ambassador Battlesmere had good form and follow-through, but his upswing was clunky. Not that we can expect the delegate from the United Imperial States to appreciate that, being soaking wet and outside and all.

[The Dark Star Republic]

So much for the honey over vinegar plan to encourage more people to put their prime nation in the WA, huh? You used to be one of the only WA regulars who doesn't treat newcomers to the forum like absolute shit.

OOC You need to stop being so self righteous. I still give all new comers a fair shake.
However, as OMGTKK just pointed out, the Unified Imperial States is an II player, 75% of his posts are in II. And he just admitted to knowingly violating WA mandate in his nation's arsenal. You know I've always had a problem with that. II has never respected the WA even though many players are member nations too.

Yes, it's hard to believe they wouldn't respect people who refer to them as "generally useless nation[s] who's [sic] opinion means nothing because they don't know what they're doing".

[Unified Imperial States]

So much for the honey over vinegar plan to encourage more people to put their prime nation in the WA, huh? You used to be one of the only WA regulars who doesn't treat newcomers to the forum like absolute shit.

OOC You need to stop being so self righteous. I still give all new comers a fair shake.
However, as OMGTKK just pointed out, the Unified Imperial States is an II player, 75% of his posts are in II. And he just admitted to knowingly violating WA mandate in his nation's arsenal. You know I've always had a problem with that. II has never respected the WA even though many players are member nations too.

OOC

Honestly brah, watch anyone important give two shits. Nay, one shit.



And no shits were given. You may go about your day without the QQ

[Unified Imperial States]

"Your point being?" the ambassador asks with smirk.

"The point being," said the Mesogirian ambassador, shedding his jacket and stretching to limber himself up, "That it's time to partake of an honored custom of this snake-pit: defenestration. Try to land on your ass!"

Overall, it was a 7 out of 10: Ambassador Battlesmere had good form and follow-through, but his upswing was clunky. Not that we can expect the delegate from the United Imperial States to appreciate that, being soaking wet and outside and all.

Delegate Hanz brushes off his soaked undershirt. "Coming from a militaristic state has it's perks. Take it easy on the offensive."

[Defwa]

OOC You need to stop being so self righteous. I still give all new comers a fair shake.
However, as OMGTKK just pointed out, the Unified Imperial States is an II player, 75% of his posts are in II. And he just admitted to knowingly violating WA mandate in his nation's arsenal. You know I've always had a problem with that. II has never respected the WA even though many players are member nations too.

OOC

Honestly brah, watch anyone important give two shits. Nay, one shit.



And no shits were given. You may go about your day without the QQ

OOC: See DSR? He can handle it. And prove my point while doing so.

[Imperializt Russia]

Landmines are thing to be set out in a battlefield. The only place bystanders,children, and tourist will be injured is if they go onto the battle field!

Because battlefields are always battle fields, are never near populated areas, you're expected to cordon off that part of your country forever as a monument to military spending.

OOC: Poes law- you're just role playing that way, right?

This is why the Demining Committee is being written as not disbanded by the repeal.
You're expected to demine. Unless it's a strategic minefield. Because so many children play in the Korean DMZ, for example.

[Defwa]

Because battlefields are always battle fields, are never near populated areas, you're expected to cordon off that part of your country forever as a monument to military spending.

OOC: Poes law- you're just role playing that way, right?

This is why the Demining Committee is being written as not disbanded by the repeal.
You're expected to demine. Unless it's a strategic minefield. Because so many children play in the Korean DMZ, for example.

Is the Demining Committee mentioned in another resolution? A repeal can't provide a committee with continued purpose- that line basically means that the name can be used again later. Not that the Committee will continue to function- when its resolution is repealed it loses all the abilities and duties that resolution gave it.

OOC: Not all mine fields are like the DMZ. Vietnam for example. I haven't voted on this resolution because Defwa is ambivalent to the outcome. We may lay some remote controlled mines up the mountain. We may not. Doesn't really matter.

[Potted Plants United]

OOC: Not all mine fields are like the DMZ.

OOC: No, but they should be. That's the whole point of a strategic defensive minefield; making it a place where people don't want to go. That's why you clearly mark it so people know to stay away.

[Defwa]

OOC: Not all mine fields are like the DMZ.

OOC: No, but they should be. That's the whole point of a strategic defensive minefield; making it a place where people don't want to go. That's why you clearly mark it so people know to stay away.

OOC sometimes they're just to cause casualties or conduct wars of attrition, like in the middle east or again like Vietnam

[Solarmania]

I am begging the members and nations of the WA to change heart and vote to VOTE NO on this issue for the sake of bystanders, children, and tourists. This will create not only a unsafe and dangerous environment for future generations and peoples.

What about the chickens?

[Imperializt Russia]

This is why the Demining Committee is being written as not disbanded by the repeal.
You're expected to demine. Unless it's a strategic minefield. Because so many children play in the Korean DMZ, for example.

Is the Demining Committee mentioned in another resolution? A repeal can't provide a committee with continued purpose- that line basically means that the name can be used again later. Not that the Committee will continue to function- when its resolution is repealed it loses all the abilities and duties that resolution gave it.

OOC: Not all mine fields are like the DMZ. Vietnam for example. I haven't voted on this resolution because Defwa is ambivalent to the outcome. We may lay some remote controlled mines up the mountain. We may not. Doesn't really matter.

Vietnam no longer has a strategic minefield.

OOC: No, but they should be. That's the whole point of a strategic defensive minefield; making it a place where people don't want to go. That's why you clearly mark it so people know to stay away.

OOC sometimes they're just to cause casualties or conduct wars of attrition, like in the middle east or again like Vietnam

WA members are expected to conduct wars to a higher degree of decorum than those wars generally.
This logically would also apply to use of mines.