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Postby Alqania » Sat May 03, 2014 8:50 am

"It is a fine proposal we have here", commented Lord Raekevik approvingly. "I would however suggest, strongly, that the 'compelling practical purposes' language be removed from the anti-discrimination clause. While something like a child's 'right to two parents', 'right to one male and one female parent' or 'right to married parents' is absurd to you and me, there are those who would disagree with us on that point, and the anti-discrimination clause should not give any false hope of allowing such nonsense."

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"Oh, and the Queendom objects on principle to proposal titles of the format 'On X', though in this particular case, we shall consider whether we could vote for this proposal in spite of such an unappealing title, should Your Excellency stubbornly persist in this matter", the Ambassador hastily added.
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Postby Sanctaria » Sat May 03, 2014 8:54 am

Alqania wrote:"It is a fine proposal we have here", commented Lord Raekevik approvingly. "I would however suggest, strongly, that the 'compelling practical purposes' language be removed from the anti-discrimination clause. While something like a child's 'right to two parents', 'right to one male and one female parent' or 'right to married parents' is absurd to you and me, there are those who would disagree with us on that point, and the anti-discrimination clause should not give any false hope of allowing such nonsense."

While I echo the Ambassador's sentiments, there are unfortunately compelling practical purposes in which denying an intercountry adoption based on certain factors (which could otherwise be construed as discriminatory) should be permitted. The Ambassador for Bears Armed made valid points in this regard.

I will continue to look at the language in this clause in a hope to make it more stringent and less open to abuse.
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Postby Mousebumples » Sat May 03, 2014 9:05 am

Intra-country adoption is not the purview of this draft. This covers intercountry adoption. Intracountry adoption is purely domestic and my delegation has no interest in heavily regulating domestic adoption at this time.

Would Your Excellency be open to adding/amending the clause regarding discrimination to affect both intercountry and intracounty adoption?

My office tends to agree that domestic adoption should stay a largely domestic issue; however, this is one point on which we could see a potential shortcoming within the CoCR, as some nations may feel that there is a "compelling practical purpose" to ensure that only married, heterosexual couples, for example, should be permitted to adopt.

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Postby Sanctaria » Sat May 03, 2014 9:10 am

Alqania wrote:"Oh, and the Queendom objects on principle to proposal titles of the format 'On X', though in this particular case, we shall consider whether we could vote for this proposal in spite of such an unappealing title, should Your Excellency stubbornly persist in this matter", the Ambassador hastily added.

As explained previously, intercountry adoption is in and by itself quite the number of characters. The Ambassador will understand that we are confined by space in this regards.

Mousebumples wrote:Would Your Excellency be open to adding/amending the clause regarding discrimination to affect both intercountry and intracounty adoption?

My office tends to agree that domestic adoption should stay a largely domestic issue; however, this is one point on which we could see a potential shortcoming within the CoCR, as some nations may feel that there is a "compelling practical purpose" to ensure that only married, heterosexual couples, for example, should be permitted to adopt.

I would quite prefer if this proposed resolution concerned itself solely with intercountry adoption. I will consider the request but, even if I opened it to include domestic adoption, it's unlikely the "compelling practical purpose" language would be dropped, for reasons already explained, in which case Your Excellency's fears would not likely be put to rest.
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Postby Elke and Elba » Sat May 03, 2014 9:16 am

Sanctaria wrote:
Alqania wrote:"Oh, and the Queendom objects on principle to proposal titles of the format 'On X', though in this particular case, we shall consider whether we could vote for this proposal in spite of such an unappealing title, should Your Excellency stubbornly persist in this matter", the Ambassador hastily added.

As explained previously, intercountry adoption is in and by itself quite the number of characters. The Ambassador will understand that we are confined by space in this regards.


We would propose the delegation of Sanctaria consider this proposition.

Elke and Elba wrote:Ooh. Right to Intercountry Adoption is exactly 30, isn't it?
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Postby Sanctaria » Sat May 03, 2014 9:18 am

Elke and Elba wrote:
Sanctaria wrote:As explained previously, intercountry adoption is in and by itself quite the number of characters. The Ambassador will understand that we are confined by space in this regards.


We would propose the delegation of Sanctaria consider this proposition.

Elke and Elba wrote:Ooh. Right to Intercountry Adoption is exactly 30, isn't it?

The fact that we're not established an actual right to intercountry adoption, as well as considering we're not even requiring member nations to operate intercountry adoptions, would mean that the suggested title is misleading and incorrect - something which has gotten proposals dinged and their authors warned before.

So no. We won't be using that title.
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Postby Sciongrad » Sat May 03, 2014 3:00 pm

Sanctaria wrote:
Elke and Elba wrote:
We would propose the delegation of Sanctaria consider this proposition.


The fact that we're not established an actual right to intercountry adoption, as well as considering we're not even requiring member nations to operate intercountry adoptions, would mean that the suggested title is misleading and incorrect - something which has gotten proposals dinged and their authors warned before.

So no. We won't be using that title.


"What about 'Intercountry Adoption Protocol?' It fits snugly in the character limit and avoids the dull 'on x' construction."
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Postby Sanctaria » Sat May 03, 2014 3:08 pm

Sciongrad wrote:"What about 'Intercountry Adoption Protocol?' It fits snugly in the character limit and avoids the dull 'on x' construction."

The title is, of course, open to change, but we'd rather something that didn't sound so cold and unappealing.
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Postby Sciongrad » Sat May 03, 2014 3:18 pm

Sanctaria wrote:
Sciongrad wrote:"What about 'Intercountry Adoption Protocol?' It fits snugly in the character limit and avoids the dull 'on x' construction."

The title is, of course, open to change, but we'd rather something that didn't sound so cold and unappealing.


"Yes, it does sound quite technical. Although if you're insistent on using the term "intercountry adoption," you aren't left with much wiggle room, and I'd prefer the cold and unappealing 'so-and-so protocol' to the awkward and vague 'on so-and-so.' Not that the title will necessarily have that great of an effect on Sciongrad's support for this proposal, of course, but evidently, others may feel differently."
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Postby Sanctaria » Sat May 03, 2014 3:52 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
Sanctaria wrote:The title is, of course, open to change, but we'd rather something that didn't sound so cold and unappealing.


"Yes, it does sound quite technical. Although if you're insistent on using the term "intercountry adoption," you aren't left with much wiggle room, and I'd prefer the cold and unappealing 'so-and-so protocol' to the awkward and vague 'on so-and-so.' Not that the title will necessarily have that great of an effect on Sciongrad's support for this proposal, of course, but evidently, others may feel differently."

On Intercountry Adoption was never going to be the final title.
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Postby Hakio » Sun May 04, 2014 3:06 am

Sanctaria wrote:
Sciongrad wrote:
"Yes, it does sound quite technical. Although if you're insistent on using the term "intercountry adoption," you aren't left with much wiggle room, and I'd prefer the cold and unappealing 'so-and-so protocol' to the awkward and vague 'on so-and-so.' Not that the title will necessarily have that great of an effect on Sciongrad's support for this proposal, of course, but evidently, others may feel differently."

On Intercountry Adoption was never going to be the final title.


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Postby Sanctaria » Sun May 04, 2014 5:45 am

Hakio wrote:
Sanctaria wrote:On Intercountry Adoption was never going to be the final title.


"Perhaps the Transnational Adoption Act?"

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As said before, the correct term is Intercountry and that is the term the proposal will be using.
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun May 04, 2014 5:42 pm

OOC: You could go a different way and really fluffy up the title: "Child Welfare in Adoption", "Ban on Child-Selling", "Securing Adoption Processes", "Think of the Children Act", etc.

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Postby Cardoness » Sun May 04, 2014 10:35 pm

The Dark Star Republic wrote:OOC: You could go a different way and really fluffy up the title: "Child Welfare in Adoption", "Ban on Child-Selling", "Securing Adoption Processes", "Think of the Children Act", etc.

Oh! Not "Think of the Children Act". Seeing that makes me really want to write one with that title!
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Postby Sanctaria » Mon May 05, 2014 6:28 pm

A fifth draft is ready.

GENERAL ASSEMBLY

Intercountry Adoption Act
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.

Category: Social Justice | Strength: Mild | Proposed by: Sanctaria


Description: The General Assembly,

BELIEVING that intercountry adoption can be beneficial to nations experiencing difficulty with their internal rate of adoption and to children in need of a loving home,

FRUSTRATED with the reality that member nations each have differing rules and regulations regarding intercountry adoption,

HOPEFUL that the consolidation of these varied rules and regulations will break down barriers to intercountry adoption,

Hereby

DEFINES, for the purpose of this resolution, the following:

  1. child: an individual under the age of majority in both the country of origin and the recipient country,
  2. prospective adopter: a party who is seeking to adopt a child;

STRONGLY ENCOURAGES member nations to permit intercountry adoption;

DEMANDS that, should one not already exist, each member nation that permits intercountry adoption establish a state or semi-state agency, to be known as National Adoption Boards, which shall have the following duties:

  1. to maintain a register of children available within that nation for adoption,
  2. to work with and vet prospective adopters in that nation, and
  3. to liaise with National Adoption Boards in other member nations during intercountry adoption processes;

CLARIFIES that any intercountry adoption between member nations must be conducted between National Adoption Boards, and that no transfer of children shall take place until the intercountry adoption is finalised and confirmed;

REQUIRES National Adoption Boards to consider the welfare and wishes of all children available for adoption, in particular with determining if intercountry adoption is appropriate for each individual child;

CREATES the World Assembly Adoption Authority (WAAA) to establish and implement a stringent and rigorous uniform code of rules and regulations regarding intercountry adoption;

MANDATES that all National Adoption Boards be member organisations of WAAA and that they adhere to all these regulations, procedures, and standards established;

DECLARES that no National Adoption Board may establish regulations, procedures, protocols, or standards regarding intercountry adoption that are contradictory or additional to those established by WAAA;

FORBIDS WAAA from establishing standards, protocols, and procedures that could reasonably be construed to be discriminatory (e.g. disallowing an intercountry adoption based on the prospective adopter's, or child's, nationality, race, gender, sexuality, or marital status), unless there are compelling practical reasons to do so;

OUTLAWS the practice of buying children, in which financial or in-kind payments are exchanged to ensure an individual receives a child, however;

ACKNOWLEDGES that, in the case of adoption processes, some reasonable fees may be charged by certified adoption agencies for expenses incurred during the adoption process.
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Postby Linux and the X » Mon May 05, 2014 7:16 pm

Unfortunately, your continued insistence upon using the term "age of majority" prevents us from even considering this.
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Postby Sanctaria » Tue May 06, 2014 4:48 am

The vast, vast majority of nations have an age of majority. RNT.
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Postby Linux and the X » Tue May 06, 2014 9:12 am

Sanctaria wrote:The vast, vast majority of nations have an age of majority. RNT.

That's a misinterpretation of RNT. Ignoring a minority of nations might make sense if it required completely reworking the proposal, but changing 'age' to 'threshold' is easy.
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Postby Sanctaria » Tue May 06, 2014 9:27 am

Age of majority is the correct and most used term.
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Postby Linux and the X » Tue May 06, 2014 11:02 am

Most-used, perhaps, but not the only correct term. We will have to vote AGAINST this proposal if you refuse to change it, as we do not have any interest in being locked out of intercountry adoptions.
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Postby Sanctaria » Tue May 06, 2014 11:25 am

Linux and the X wrote:Most-used, perhaps, but not the only correct term. We will have to vote AGAINST this proposal if you refuse to change it, as we do not have any interest in being locked out of intercountry adoptions.

Your vote is your decision.
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Postby Linux and the X » Tue May 06, 2014 1:28 pm

Sanctaria wrote:
Linux and the X wrote:Most-used, perhaps, but not the only correct term. We will have to vote AGAINST this proposal if you refuse to change it, as we do not have any interest in being locked out of intercountry adoptions.

Your vote is your decision.

A decision that you could easily change. We are surprised that you would be so stubborn on the term used.
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Postby Sanctaria » Tue May 06, 2014 2:02 pm

The Ambassador has made his point. I will not be changing the language. Continuing to berate me over it will not increase the chances of it happening.
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Sanctaria wrote:his

We shall likely be severely cutting back on diplomatic ties with Sanctaria.
If you see I've made a mistake in my wording or a factual detail, telegram me and I'll fix it. I'll even give you credit for pointing it out, if you'd like.
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Postby Sanctaria » Tue May 06, 2014 2:33 pm

Linux and the X wrote:
Sanctaria wrote:his

We shall likely be severely cutting back on diplomatic ties with Sanctaria.

OOC: Look, you have specified NOWHERE in your signature or in previous posts in this thread as to the gender, or lack thereof, of your diplomatic representative. His is default, so I used it. Get off my back.
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