[PASSED] Commend 1 Infinite Loop

[Improving Wordiness]

I would be interested to hear more of his raid involvement...though it was a very long time ago it still would influence my voting for a commend. Farkers used to attack all and sundry I believe....raider regions included.
Should a nation that has in the past burned regions be commended?

[Venico]

A raiding forefather? Why didn't you say so?

Add that to the resolution and you have my vote.

[Crazy girl]

Hmm, he also used to make nicce flags for people. I know he made a few for me.

[SkyDip]

Should a nation that has in the past burned regions be commended?

*points to self*

Or even continues to, for that matter.

[Mallorea and Riva]

I would be interested to hear more of his raid involvement...though it was a very long time ago it still would influence my voting for a commend. Farkers used to attack all and sundry I believe....raider regions included.
Should a nation that has in the past burned regions be commended?

*coughs loudly and obnoxiously*

[Venico]

Hmm, he also used to make nicce flags for people. I know he made a few for me.

See? This is something of interregional work that can be included. His flag makers exported flags to dozens of nations upon request without cost. =P

[Eist]

I would be interested to hear more of his raid involvement...though it was a very long time ago it still would influence my voting for a commend. Farkers used to attack all and sundry I believe....raider regions included.
Should a nation that has in the past burned regions be commended?

*coughs loudly and obnoxiously*

Kain? Is that you?

[Mallorea and Riva]

*coughs loudly and obnoxiously*

Kain? Is that you?

*watches the reference fly over his head*

[Eist]

Yea, I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Yea, I have no idea what you are talking about.

You baffle me.

I was referring to the fact that 10KI is commended and has destroyed regions in the past. Then you mentioned Kain and I have no idea what you mean.

[Eist]

I thought you were referring to Osiris where Kain ranted for 3 months straight how XKI were going to burn it into the ground after XKI foiled his little plan to do the same thing. Of course, as any rational person would have known from the outset, XKI left as soon as the region was secured. However, some of the Greatest Minds in NS still to this day berate XKI for their involvement. It's hilarious.

You're right though. However, XKI has, of course, only captured regions that meet two criteria: that the regions are a threat to the international community and those regions have specifically declared war on XKI.

That is obviously not the case with 1 Infinite Loop.

[Mallorea and Riva]

:lol: I thought you were referring to Osiris where Kain ranted for 3 months straight how XKI were going to burn it into the ground after XKI foiled his little plan to do the same thing. Of course, as any rational person would have known from the outset, XKI left as soon as the region was secured. However, some of the Greatest Minds in NS still to this day berate XKI for their involvement. It's hilarious.

You're right though. However, XKI has, of course, only captured regions that meet two criteria: that the regions are a threat to the international community and those regions have specifically declared war on XKI.

That is obviously not the case with 1 Infinite Loop.

Ohhhhhhh now I'm with you.

Loop helped invent R/D if his involvement with the Farkers is accurate per others' posts. He deserves a statue 40 feet tall, the least we can give him is a commendation. Breaking eggs to make an omelette and all that jazz.

[Improving Wordiness]

Exactly the point Mall
I would like more information on his involvement with the farkers. For all I know he was a waterboy......or the commander that ordered multiple regions burned and now that the natives are no longer around to speak up.

[Ramaeus]

Exactly the point Mall
I would like more information on his involvement with the farkers. For all I know he was a waterboy......or the commander that ordered multiple regions burned and now that the natives are no longer around to speak up.

The Farkers didn't really have military ranks; everyone was the same.

Two noteworthy invasions Loop participated in were: The Heartland and Germany (Loop was the lead for Germany).

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

I assume when you say "protected the fragile Pacific in its infancy," you mean TEP's status as a Pacific region, not the Pacific? You might need to clarify if that's the case.

...although my attitude toward Feeder governments is one of general disdain and I hardly think that helping to found one is commendable behavior. That, and my personal experience with Loop was as delegate of TEP, when the region was terribly inactive, UN/WA-wise, making it difficult to lobby for legislation there.

[Ramaeus]

I assume when you say "protected the fragile Pacific in its infancy," you mean TEP's status as a Pacific region, not the Pacific? You might need to clarify if that's the case.

Yeah, I do. I'll clarify it shortly.

[Port blood]

May just be me but this seems very much like a single region Commend. Why does the international community care that he contributed to TEP? What has he done that we care about?

Weirdly enough,this time i'm not the person going "I'm not against...buuuttt"

[The Bruce]

I would be interested to hear more of his raid involvement...though it was a very long time ago it still would influence my voting for a commend. Farkers used to attack all and sundry I believe....raider regions included.
Should a nation that has in the past burned regions be commended?

1 Infinite Loop (aka: Hikaru Motenai, Cupertino, Avignon, McTropolis, Hax0rstan, Deus ex Fiat, Mr OWL, Max Zorin, Farkstantinopal, and others) was one of the key members of the collection of invaders called the Farkers. They were spur of the moment, ‘who wants to mess with that region over there and make them cry’ kind of invaders, without any kind of official command structure. Deciding on invader leads was very informally done. Tormenting natives was the goal; not who got to be the invader lead. The biggest feat was keeping the identity of their home region a secret for so long time, unlike groups that came after them (like DEN) who couldn’t have breakfast without telling everyone about it.

They beat up on Axis (Nazi Invaders) for boasting about taking a region from the Farkers, after the Farkers had moved out a few weeks earlier. They took over Axis at the same time as the Nazi invaders were attacking someone else. Axis was just one more proof that the regions that cry the loudest about being invaded are invader regions themselves. Later, they beat up on 100 Nations of Conquest, for taking credit for Farker invasions, but after people figured out who the Farkers actually were (of course it also took the Farkers a month to figure out why they were being referred to as the 100 NoC).

They hit multiple regions on the same update (not tiny, inactive regions with no delegate), something that hasn’t really been done since Fox Rite was in their prime and they were working with others to accomplish the same. The Heartland was the biggest coup by the Farkers, other than the East Pacific. The Farkders regularly trolled and baited players in the NS forums to get them modbombed (to the point where one or more of them was always present to attack other players), did a lot of UN multying (although Infinite Loop was one of the few Farker voices against UN multying), lied to get founder status in invaded regions they weren’t natives of, and griefed like only people can grief in the pre-Mod days.

When Infinite Loop took over the East Pacific, they punted out more UN nations than Francos Spain did (anyone not endorsing the Farker delegate). Given that the Crazy Girl jihad express was throwing nations at the Pacific for the sole reason of forcing Francos Spain to punt them, any delegate out ejecting Francos Spain was doing a lot of ejecting. Infinite Loop was fairly safe from any organized backlash though, because Crazy Girl had gotten everyone focused on Francos Spain. I’m not certain about the story about the Farkers being peacefully handed the East Pacific by the Atlantic, after only a couple of weeks of the Atlantic occupying the newly made feeder. There’s probably more to it than that. Later on, Infinite Loop became more of a kicking back personality of the East Pacific, in a much less active way than Todd McCloud did after their Fox Rite invader days were behind them.

[Blackbird]

Haven't really made up my mind on whether I'd support a commendation of Loop, but in the early years he was a pretty big part of gameplay. He was one of the Farkers, a senator at the Meritocracy (don't know how involved he was there though) and his early support of the NPO definitely had consequences for interregional gameplay politics. He also ran a very successful flag thread.

I was not aware of Loop's involvement in the Meritocracy. Thank you for the information, I'll be sure to investigate it thoroughly.

Was Loop involved much in the New Meritocracy? I don't think he did much past the early Charter? Certainly not the Accords? My memory is very hazy on this. I would recommend speaking to the Proconsul from Argyres or any of the other really old Senators about that.

[Ramaeus]

Was Loop involved much in the New Meritocracy? I don't think he did much past the early Charter? Certainly not the Accords? My memory is very hazy on this. I would recommend speaking to the Proconsul from Argyres or any of the other really old Senators about that.

I asked Loop about that; he said he was just there for input. Not much to tell, I guess.

[Cerlon]

I strongly support this.

Regardless of whether or not you support his IC actions, it's hard to deny that his contributions have been a plus for NS.

[Ancian]

For

[Darwinish Brentsylvania]

Commendation: Brent Approved!

[Unibot III]

Loop's a great guy but using him as a standard is a bit difficult - he took TEP by force and punted a lot of people out for weeks till he had control and then as it was he held on to it for years till it was wholly inactive (as Kenny notes).

Another thing that is problematic is according to Mammo, pretty down low, Loop considered his rule to be Farker rule alongside Mammo's coup in TNP and Franco's revolution in TP (both Farkers). He's a great guy, but there's a lot of themes present here that we need to reconsider like authoritarianism, inactivity, griefing, colonialism. If it were someone who wasn't as nice, we probably would not commend them for that career.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Loop's a great guy but using him as a standard is a bit difficult - he took TEP by force and punted a lot of people out for weeks till he had control and then as it was he held on to it for years till it was wholly inactive (as Kenny notes).

Another thing that is problematic is according to Mammo, pretty down low, Loop considered his rule to be Farker rule alongside Mammo's coup in TNP and Franco's revolution in TP (both Farkers). He's a great guy, but there's a lot of themes present here that we need to reconsider like authoritarianism, inactivity, griefing, colonialism.

The inactivity thing is a bit of a downer, but I think the rest of those themes balance it out just fine.