[DEFEATED] Commend Blackbird

[Sedgistan]

Commend Blackbird

Category: Commendation | Nominee: Blackbird | Proposed By: Ramaeus

The Security Council,

Noting that Blackbird also controls the nation of Cortath,

Aware that Blackbird is a co-founder of the Red Liberty Alliance (RLA) – one of the most prolific multi-regional defense alliances in history– and became the director of RLA intelligence, creating one of the most powerful and respected intelligence organizations in history,

Applauding Blackbird's abilities in the field of intelligence, participating in the downfall of several formerly great invader and imperialist powers by infiltrating their ranks and rising to positions of authority within those organizations; some of the organizations Blackbird either infiltrated or led the operation for said infiltration include: the Atlantic Alliance (AA), The DEN, the Invaders Army, and many more,

Observing that Blackbird was also a high ranking member of the Alliance Defense Network (ADN), the largest multi-regional defense alliance in history,

Believing that through the ADN, Blackbird contributed to the stability and security of countless regions,

Enumerating on some of Blackbird's accomplishments in ADN, notably: becoming secretary of state, negotiating a treaty between ADN and the New Pacific Order (NPO), maintaining diplomatic ties with The North Pacific when it was overthrown by UPS Rail, and assisting and bolstering ADN's intelligence agency,

Admiring Blackbird's role in the Puppetmaster attack, which overthrew Great Bight in The North Pacific (TNP)– one of the most successful liberations ever – wherein, they supported natives with endorsement messages, kept natives apprised of the situation and planning involved, and helped to maintain diplomatic ties between TNP natives and ADN,

Recognizing Blackbird's role as Quaestor (Minister of Foreign Affairs) in The Meritocracy, one of the largest and most successful politically themed regions in history, wherein, they created the Alliance of Capitalists, Conservatives and Economic Libertarians (ACCEL), signed diplomatic agreements with several regions, and created the framework for Meritocratic foreign policy,

Further Admiring Blackbird's diligence and pursuit of justice in often trying situations, admiring their dedication to the freeing of regions from the specter of oppression, and believing that their dedication to defending innocent regions from imperialism and invading is deserving of the highest praise and recognition,

Hereby Commends Blackbird.

Commend Blackbird

Category: Commendation | Nominee: Blackbird | Proposed By: Ramaeus

The Security Council,

Noting that Blackbird also controls the nation of Cortath,

Aware that Blackbird is a co-founder of the Red Liberty Alliance (RLA) – one of the most prolific multi-regional defense alliances in history– and became the director of RLA intelligence, creating one of the most powerful and respected intelligence organizations in history,

Applauding Blackbird's abilities in the field of intelligence, participating in the downfall of several formerly great raiding and imperialist powers by infiltrating their ranks and rising to positions of authority within those organizations, some of the organizations Blackbird as either infiltrated or led the operation for said infiltration include: the Atlantic Alliance (AA), The DEN, the Invaders Army, and many more,

Observing that Blackbird was also a high ranking member of the Alliance Defense Network (ADN), the largest multi-regional defense alliance in history, and believing that through their actions in ADN, they have contributed to the stability and security of countless regions,

Enumerating on some of Blackbird's accomplishments in ADN, notably: becoming secretary of state, negotiating a treaty between ADN and the New Pacific Order (NPO), maintaining diplomatic ties with The North Pacific when it was taken over by UPS Rail (an NPO agent), and assisting and bolstering ADN's intelligence agency,

Admiring Blackbird's role in the Puppetmaster attack, which overthrew Great Bight in The North Pacific (TNP)– one of the most successful liberations ever – wherein, they supported natives with endorsement messages, kept natives apprised of the situation and planning involved, and helped to maintain diplomatic ties with between TNP natives and ADN,

Recognizing Blackbird's role as Quaestor (Minister of Foreign Affairs) in The Meritocracy, one of the largest and most successful politically themed regions in history, wherein, they created the Alliance of Capitalists, Conservatives and Economic Libertarians (ACCEL), signed diplomatic agreements with several regions, and created the framework for Meritocratic foreign policy,

Admiring Blackbird's diligence and pursuit of justice in often trying positions, admiring their dedication to the native populace of regions oppressed by imperialism, and believing that their dedication to defending innocent regions from the omnipresent malevolence of imperialism and raiding is deserving of the highest praise and recognition,

Hereby Commends Blackbird.

[Unibot III]

Support.

[PrussianEmpire]

I'd support this.

[SkyDip]

Support.

Shocker.

[Venico]

Not sure one would consider his tactics "commendable" but he deserves respect and honor from the GP community.

[The Bruce]

Long serving nation with a lot of accomplished over the years. Definitely deserved. Plus they're a former Wysterian from the old days, so that's a plus in my books.

[Punk Daddy]

Not sure one would consider his tactics "commendable" but he deserves respect and honor from the GP community.

Certainly, the ethics of BB's actions were questioned during those bygone times but this would be well-deserved.

There are probably a handful of GP'ers who deserve commendations and condemnations for things done many, many years ago.

I definitely support this one.

[Mallorea and Riva]

You forgot to mention the part where he organized one of the most spectacular series of forum destructions in NS history!

[Punk Daddy]

You forgot to mention the part where he organized one of the most spectacular series of forum destructions in NS history!

I thought that was EuroSoviets or some "soviet" derivation.

[Mallorea and Riva]

You forgot to mention the part where he organized one of the most spectacular series of forum destructions in NS history!

I thought that was EuroSoviets or some "soviet" derivation.

BB was the head of RLA intelligence. He certainly wasn't the only one involved, but as head of the intelligence division which carried out the destructions his involvement is beyond doubt. More information can be found in the thread relating to the invasion of the Proletariat Coalition, particularly Halcone's statement here where he pins direct responsibility onto both EuroSoviets and BB.

[Charax]

BB's pretentiousness in GP really, really grates me. So I'm kind of against this anyway. But the issue Mall raises is far more substantial than my petty prejudice. We shouldn't be commending forum destroyers.

Against.

[Lemongrad Union]

Against. Commending someone purely for defending is a terrible idea.

[Ramaeus]

BB was the head of RLA intelligence. He certainly wasn't the only one involved, but as head of the intelligence division which carried out the destructions his involvement is beyond doubt. More information can be found in the thread relating to the invasion of the Proletariat Coalition, particularly Halcone's statement here where he pins direct responsibility onto both EuroSoviets and BB.

Look, a report saying the opposite!

Against. Commending someone purely for defending is a terrible idea.

Somehow I doubt you've read the draft.

BB's pretentiousness in GP really, really grates me. So I'm kind of against this anyway. But the issue Mall raises is far more substantial than my petty prejudice. We shouldn't be commending forum destroyers.

Against.

And as the saying goes, personality outweighs all achievements. Wait, that's not how it goes.
Look, a report saying the opposite!

[Lemongrad Union]

BB was the head of RLA intelligence. He certainly wasn't the only one involved, but as head of the intelligence division which carried out the destructions his involvement is beyond doubt. More information can be found in the thread relating to the invasion of the Proletariat Coalition, particularly Halcone's statement here where he pins direct responsibility onto both EuroSoviets and BB.

Look, a report saying the opposite!

Against. Commending someone purely for defending is a terrible idea.

Somehow I doubt you've read the draft.

BB's pretentiousness in GP really, really grates me. So I'm kind of against this anyway. But the issue Mall raises is far more substantial than my petty prejudice. We shouldn't be commending forum destroyers.

Against.

And as the saying goes, personality outweighs all achievements. Wait, that's not how it goes.
Look, a report saying the opposite!

Somehow I have.

[Ramaeus]

Somehow I have.

Uh huh... This, this, this, this, and several other resolutions say that commending defenders is an excellent idea.

[Lemongrad Union]

Somehow I have.

Uh huh... This, this, this, this, and several other resolutions say that commending defenders is an excellent idea.

I never said it was against any rules or wouldn't get passed. I stated my opinion.

[Unibot III]

You forgot to mention the part where he organized one of the most spectacular series of forum destructions in NS history!

I thought that was EuroSoviets or some "soviet" derivation.

It was The Red Factions and Ketoprofen.

Blackbird responded, in an explicit order, that the “RLAI isn’t destroying any forums” and the Red Factions responded “Can’t stop it” and refused to tell who is doing this. This led to a long argument over who was in control and certainl legal issues between them, ending with the Red Factions leaving the chat, and Blackbird leaving many unanswered messages amounting to a lecture on the chain of command and a reiteration of the previous order.

[Mallorea and Riva]

BB was the head of RLA intelligence. He certainly wasn't the only one involved, but as head of the intelligence division which carried out the destructions his involvement is beyond doubt. More information can be found in the thread relating to the invasion of the Proletariat Coalition, particularly Halcone's statement here where he pins direct responsibility onto both EuroSoviets and BB.

Look, a report saying the opposite!

Next time please attempt to at least read the post I put forth before attempting to contradict it. You are referring there to an incident which is distinct from the one I am citing. Also you are citing the RLA's report on the issue, which is laughable. On top of that within that very report one has to assume that Blackbird is illiterate, incompetent, or involved:

An article was written by Ketoprofen, another RLA Intelligence agent, also in the service of North Pacific (not the) that was published, with Blackbird’s name on it. Blackbird has said he did not adequately read the article,

I was citing the destruction of The Black Hawk's forum above, although his involvement in the destruction of DEN's/Invader Army's forums is also obvious.

I thought that was EuroSoviets or some "soviet" derivation.

It was The Red Factions and Ketoprofen.

Blackbird responded, in an explicit order, that the “RLAI isn’t destroying any forums” and the Red Factions responded “Can’t stop it” and refused to tell who is doing this. This led to a long argument over who was in control and certainl legal issues between them, ending with the Red Factions leaving the chat, and Blackbird leaving many unanswered messages amounting to a lecture on the chain of command and a reiteration of the previous order.

Said the RLA, of that one incident.

[Ramaeus]

<snip>

Whoops, wrong quote, apologies. I meant to quote your first post in this thread.

Anyway, getting back to the topic at hand. So far, the only thing I've seen from you in this thread are assertions. Do you have any actual evidence which shows that Blackbird ordered the destruction of the forums mentioned?

[Goddess Relief Office]

I thought that was EuroSoviets or some "soviet" derivation.

BB was the head of RLA intelligence. He certainly wasn't the only one involved, but as head of the intelligence division which carried out the destructions his involvement is beyond doubt. More information can be found in the thread relating to the invasion of the Proletariat Coalition, particularly Halcone's statement here where he pins direct responsibility onto both EuroSoviets and BB.

Do you have any real evidence besides Halcone's post? For I recall the "forum destruction" accusation was last thrown against Eurosoviets and now you're saying BB is also involved. Why not say the entire RLA/TPC/ASE group of nations then? Just because BB was head of RLA intel doesn't mean he knows what ES was doing or agrees with it. Do you necessarily know every single thing your wife or husband did last month?

~GRO~

[Mallorea and Riva]

BB was the head of RLA intelligence. He certainly wasn't the only one involved, but as head of the intelligence division which carried out the destructions his involvement is beyond doubt. More information can be found in the thread relating to the invasion of the Proletariat Coalition, particularly Halcone's statement here where he pins direct responsibility onto both EuroSoviets and BB.

Do you have any real evidence besides Halcone's post? For I recall the "forum destruction" accusation was last thrown against Eurosoviets and now you're saying BB is also involved. Why not say the entire RLA/TPC/ASE group of nations then? Just because BB was head of RLA intel doesn't mean he knows what ES was doing or agrees with it. Do you necessarily know every single thing your wife or husband did last month?

~GRO~

As a matter of fact I do know, since I lack a wife or husband however that is a relatively unimpressive feat. I'm not blaming the entirety of TPC because the entirety of TPC was not in charge of the Intelligence division of the RLA which perpetrated all of these actions. I will endeavor to see what hard evidence I can collect from both the NS forums and those who are still around, obviously this will neither be quick nor easy. Sadly I have no doubt that if similar accusations were leveled against a raider with similar levels of proof there would be no serious question as to their guilt.

[Eist]

> Sadly I have no doubt that if similar accusations were leveled against a raider with similar levels of proof there would be no serious question as to their guilt.

Jesus. Cry me a river dude.

[Mallorea and Riva]

> Sadly I have no doubt that if similar accusations were leveled against a raider with similar levels of proof there would be no serious question as to their guilt.

Jesus. Cry me a river dude.

The sudden up-tick in snark that has been coming from you is refreshing Eist, I like it. See? Can't even make a statement without defenders swarming in on me.

[Venico]

Like I said above, Blackbird deserves respect and he fought raiders the only way one really can. He got his hands dirt. But commending him is iffy. That's like commending a Grey Guard of a Paladin group. Yes he may be doing work that is productive but he's more of an ends to a means guy (which I think more people in this game need to be). Those types of guys don't get commended. Respect yes. A model for future defenders? Absolutely. A commendation for his work? Nyeeeeh.

Lying, destroying, and infiltrating while for a good cause are still lying, destroying, and infiltrating. While I personally don't think an isolated incident on the opposite side should stop a commendation/condemnation (See Venico should still be condemned despite saving Osiris and rebuilding it =P ), Blackbird had an established pattern. Hell, it was his job and he was good at it. That material isn't commendable, nor is it condemnable. It's a grey area that is hard to define.

[Unibot III]

> Sadly I have no doubt that if similar accusations were leveled against a raider with similar levels of proof there would be no serious question as to their guilt.

Jesus. Cry me a river dude.

See? Can't even make a statement without defenders swarming in on me.

The "cry me a river" part was figurative, not a request.