[DISCARDED] Commend Anime Daisuki

[SkyDip]

Further Applauding Anime Daisuki's re-found of the region of France through the puppet nation Gilrabala, and aware that if France hadn't been refounded, it would then have been in the hands of Macedon – a formerly prolific raiding and imperialist organization, responsible for the creation of a massive Empire, and one that was the first region condemned by this council,

That last part rolls off the tongue a little weird. Might I suggest the following?

Further Applauding Anime Daisuki's re-found of the region of France through the puppet nation Gilrabala, and aware that if France hadn't been refounded, it would then have been in the hands of Macedon – a formerly prolific raiding and imperialist organization, responsible for the creation of a massive Empire that led to the first Condemnation passed by this council,

[Ramaeus]

Further Applauding Anime Daisuki's re-found of the region of France through the puppet nation Gilrabala, and aware that if France hadn't been refounded, it would then have been in the hands of Macedon – a formerly prolific raiding and imperialist organization, responsible for the creation of a massive Empire, and one that was the first region condemned by this council,

That last part rolls off the tongue a little weird. Might I suggest the following?

Further Applauding Anime Daisuki's re-found of the region of France through the puppet nation Gilrabala, and aware that if France hadn't been refounded, it would then have been in the hands of Macedon – a formerly prolific raiding and imperialist organization, responsible for the creation of a massive Empire that led to the first Condemnation passed by this council,

Alright. I'll incorporate your edit in a few minutes.

[SkyDip]

You deleted it, Feisty, but I'm going to post my response nonetheless, because it warrants some attention from you.

Point me to where I say this is some grand defender conspiracy or propaganda. Point me to the place I brought up Anime's involvement in Osiris (or that debacle at all, for that matter) outside of responding to your blatantly erroneous posts. Point to me where I have said this is an undeserving candidate or that I have a grudge, real or imagined, against Anime.

I don't think you'll find any of that. Cut your bullshit strawmen.

[Eist]

Hmmm...I don't recall ever saying that. I have no real will to respond to your clearly ridiculous post (considering, laughably, that you are a self-identified raider). This is not about you, or me, or that circus that was Osiris--it's about Anime--the greatest defender, I think, this game has ever hand. I just want to see him commended. You are the one with the bee in your bonnet for no obvious reason, so I suggest you get a drink of water, maybe some Gatorade, a cold shower, and then head off to bed.

[SkyDip]

Well of course you don't remember - I just told you that you deleted it. Which I thought explained fairly clearly.

Your motherly advice is noted, and ignored.

[SkyDip]

Anyway, getting back to the proposal...

Why do you use "Further Applauding" and "Further Observing" when you don't use just "Applauding" and "Observing?"

[Ramaeus]

Anyway, getting back to the proposal...

Why do you use "Further Applauding" and "Further Observing" when you don't use just "Applauding" and "Observing?"

I made a mistake. I'll fix it shortly.

[SkyDip]

Other than that, I think the content you've worked up here is really great. I would vote in favor of the current draft.

[Ramaeus]

Other than that, I think the content you've worked up here is really great. I would vote in favor of the current draft.

Why, thank you, SkyDip. That means a lot.

[Milograd]

AD is a deserving nominee. I'd support this.

[Ramaeus]

AD is a deserving nominee. I'd support this.

Good to know. Thanks for the support.

[Ramaeus]

The fourth draft is here. I'm not going to go into anymore detail because this draft is already over 500 words, and I think that is quite big enough.

[Eist]

The fourth draft is here. I'm not going to go into anymore detail because this draft is already over 500 words, and I think that is quite big enough.

We can chop it down to size

For one, I don't think it's necessary to explain his resolutions.

Other than that, I think it's well written. I think three lists in one resolution is excessive and you say "notably" a lot. If you are only going to note two missions Anime has been involved in then I would incorporate them into their own paragraph.

"Further Applauding the numerous missions Anime Daisuki has participated in, including *commanding* the Siege of South America, involving upwards of XX nations, and the Siege of Rajahland, which had over 200 nations participating,"

It gets a bit messier at the end.

I'd like to go over this with you as I believe that it is an important resolution. If you want to, PM me with your thoughts to the above and we can go from there

[Ramaeus]

We can chop it down to size

For one, I don't think it's necessary to explain his resolutions.

Other than that, I think it's well written. I think three lists in one resolution is excessive and you say "notably" a lot. If you are only going to note two missions Anime has been involved in then I would incorporate them into their own paragraph.

"Further Applauding the numerous missions Anime Daisuki has participated in, including *commanding* the Siege of South America, involving upwards of XX nations, and the Siege of Rajahland, which had over 200 nations participating,"

It gets a bit messier at the end.

I'd like to go over this with you as I believe that it is an important resolution. If you want to, PM me with your thoughts to the above and we can go from there

Yes, we can.
I believe explaining his resolutions shows their significance and impact in the world. I'll enumerate more on this point in a TG.
Yeah, it's mostly a placeholder till I can articulate my thoughts and the information I've received.
Definitely. I'll PM you shortly.

[SFBA wabbitslayah]

*He

I'd also recommend another line about Yggdrasil replacing the fluffy "Applauding Anime Daisuki's advancement of liberation tactics: more stabler and consistent timing which allowed for better organized and enhanced move-times," Unless you can state this more explicitly.

Ah, it's a "he"?

I get mind-effed by Yggdrasil inhabitants day-in day-out that GRO is a she... When I thought I did remember it was a he from-a-very-long-time-ago.

His nation is a reference to Ah My Goddess!/Oh My Goddess! anime, manga.

[Zeganas]

Anime Daisuki, I believe, is more than worthy of a commendation. They are a successful and devoted TITO knight. I heard they had 2 terms as delegate in 10000 islands.

[Vrolondia]

...Eh, I've gone 5 years assuming he's a girl, so he's a girl as far as I'm concerned

You got pretty much everything I can think of

[Eist]

All.

So there is no confusion, I have been advising and giving comments to Ramaeus on this proposal since just after his first draft. He has graciously offered me co-authorship of it, which I have accepted.

[Communist Eraser]

I probably need to elaborate more than my one liner on the last page.

I refuse to support the commendation of someone, who while portraying the image as a perfect defender, calls natives 'griefers' and was willing to keep a region under perpetual subjugation through a 'liberation' - and forever become a R/D warzone, because the reality did subscribe their version of morality.

It was only the ingenious thinking (and quick timing) of our present founder Novaya Stalina and Czech Mate to refound first, in defiance of the nominee that secured the future of our region, providing the stability it enjoys today.

We don't deny the events then were acrimonious. However they were an internal native dispute that received unheeded outside intervention, led by the nominee. We needed to remove stubborn 'old guard' elements, who even though the region was in long decline, and become founderless, refused to let the new generation take the region in a new direction.

All objective indicators since then have proven our decision to be correct. In RMB activity, in WA endorsements, we have reached greater heights than EE has been at least in the last 6 years (Internet Archive only kept records for that long).

Some figures:

8 April - 17 May 2008: Earliest records we have of old Eastern Europe's peak. The original founder was still around then. Then delegate Eastern Baltia had 20 endorsements. I broke that record last October reaching 23 endos. RMB activity was about average, similar to what we have now.

16-28 December 2009: Some time after the original founder of Eastern Europe became founderless, then delegate Kazistonia only had 3 endorsements. The RMB could have weeks between posts.

30 April 2011: While Czech Mate was delegate, but had the first liberation forced upon him by the SC, whom the nominee and his region was a prominent supporter, instead of letting Czech refound. Despite this, and being forced to work with those 'old guard players' url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110430183332/http://www.nationstates.net/nation=czech_mate]Czech Mate had 11 endos[/url] and a good level of RMB activity..

It maintained around that level until August 2011, when we finally managed to have the imperialist 'liberation' order repealed and then wanted to complete our independence by refounding. Which then brings us back to the top of this post and the actions of the nominee who wanted us weak and dependent again with another Liberation, because they couldn't accept the new generation winning, even after a multi-year struggle. Unable to defeat us, they slandered us with "It must be a be an invader plot! We must be griefers!" the legacy we have bear in the three years since.

[Eist]

Codger. At the time, all we knew about Czech Mate was that he hostilely took over Eastern Europe with the intent to refound it. He is labeled a griefer because, at the time, that's what it looked like. He forcefully took over the region without any dialogue with any group, AFAIK. That is the very definition of griefing. The fact that he's been relatively open to harbouring a mildly successful region is entirely based on perfect hindsight. From EE's history:

http://www.nationstates.net/page=region ... ern_europe

we can see that the proposal was initiated the exact same day the region was refounded by Czech Mate (14th August 2011).

I know that you know that as well, and that you are also cognisant of the situation, so I am disappointed with your attack above. The reality of the situation at the time really needs to taken into account here and you have purposefully not done that so that you can attack Anime. Your attempt to fluff your post with the irrelevant history of EE (without Czech Mate) is irrelevant. I'm disappointed in you.

[Ramaeus]

The 6th draft has arrived.
The Seventh draft has arrived.

[The Foxfyre Islands]

I'm liking this so far AD is worthy for a commendation. If the final draft is as good as the latest I will approve it and vote for it.

[SkyDip]

Latest version looks very solid. Though I'd contact Eist before signing him up for a co-author note. Usually he doesn't want it.

[Ramaeus]

Latest version looks very solid. Though I'd contact Eist before signing him up for a co-author note. Usually he doesn't want it.

Thank you. Eist agreed to the co-author note, as seen in this quote:

All.

So there is no confusion, I have been advising and giving comments to Ramaeus on this proposal since just after his first draft. He has graciously offered me co-authorship of it, which I have accepted.

[SkyDip]

Latest version looks very solid. Though I'd contact Eist before signing him up for a co-author note. Usually he doesn't want it.

Thank you. Eist agreed to the co-author note, as seen in this quote:

All.

So there is no confusion, I have been advising and giving comments to Ramaeus on this proposal since just after his first draft. He has graciously offered me co-authorship of it, which I have accepted.

Ah ok, I missed that. Carry on then.