[DEFEATED] Condemn The Dourian Embassy

[Sedgistan]

The Security Council,

Proclaiming The Dourian Embassy as a nation responsible for usurping authority in the region of Osiris, and who, after usurping authority, led a particularly violent purge in that region,

Declaiming The Dourian Embassy's coup of Osiris as an example of an incredibly violent coup, one which resulted in the ejection of thousands of nations,

Angered that, during Douria's coup, Osiris was made a protectorate of Gatesville inc – a region known for its stance against this council- and perturbed that the nation of The Dourian Embassy, a nation with a tremendous amount of influence in Osiris, was pathetically thrown to foreigners for the duration of the coup,

Disturbed that the behemoth of Osiris was made a protectorate of Gatesville inc, and aware that no justification can atone for that egregious action,

Outraged over Douria's attempts at destroying this assembly through repealing resolutions which brought benefit to a wide variety of nations, the resolutions Douria has repealed include, but are not limited to:

• GA#3 The Right to Fair Trial,
• GA#54 Dignified End of Life Choices,
• GA#228 Animal Protection Act,
• GA#248 Against Corruption,

Believing that The Dourian Embassy is a nation which has caused a significant amount of destruction, damage, and grief, and whose continued escape from punishment constitutes as a severe embarrassment to this council,

Hereby Condemns The Dourian Embassy.

The Security Council,

Proclaiming The Dourian Embassy as a nation which had usurped authority within the region of Osiris, and whose usurpation led to a series of destructive coups within that region,

Declaiming The Dourian Embassy's coup of Osiris as an example of an incredibly violent and destructive coup, one which resulted in the ejection of thousands of nations, and the suppression of freedoms,

Angered that, during Douria's coup, Osiris was made a protectorate of Gatesville inc – a region known for its stance against this council- and perturbed that the nation of The Dourian Embassy was pathetically thrown to foreigners for the duration of the coup,

Disturbed by Douria's motivations for the coup: an arbitrary need for violence and the destruction of a region they supposedly served,

Outraged over Douria's attempts at destroying this assembly through repealing resolutions which brought benefit to a wide variety of nations, the resolutions Douria has repealed include, but are not limited to:

• Against Corruption,

• The Right to Fair Trial

Believing that The Dourian Embassy is a nation which has caused a significant amount of destruction, damage, and grief, and whose continued escape from punishment constitutes as a severe embarrassment to this council,

Hereby Condemns The Dourian Embassy.

Second draft up. I believe this addresses most of the critiques. Any comments, questions, critiques, additions?

[Abacathea]

I have a draft on the forums floating about if it's any use to you?

Edit - Also, considering they good work they are presently doing in Osiris, considerably so, I'd strike that mention out

[Ramaeus]

I have a draft on the forums floating about if it's any use to you?

Edit - Also, considering they good work they are presently doing in Osiris, considerably so, I'd strike that mention out

Alright, I'll take a look. See if I missed anything.
Which part specifically, Aba?

[Eist]

Again? Sigh.

[Ramaeus]

Again? Sigh.

Lol. Yes, again.

[The Dourian Embassy]

Aha. Finally.

I don't know that the Osiris stuff has to be left out, it does seem mostly accurate(it doesn't say, for example, that I kicked out thousands of nations, just that my actions resulted in such happening). I'd wait for a comment from another Osirian official(the current pharaoh, raven for example) before I struck it out entirely. As for repeals of mine that sounds sinister... Repeal "Animal Protection Act", Repeal "Protection of Outer Space Act", Repeal "Cultural Heritage Protection", and
Repeal "Dignified End of Life Choices" come to mind as well.

I was just thinking about mocking this council by condemning myself a fourth time as well, so this is timely.

[the Imperial Crown]

I'm going to dissect this and add my own commentary - I think that I am one of, if not the best person to comment on Osiris and Douria's history in the region here.

My comments will start with [tIC:] and be in this colour.

Douria has asked me to weigh in on this, as the current delegate of Osiris, and as someone who watched his rise in Osiris and was watching his fall as well.

The Security Council,

Proclaiming The Dourian Embassy as a nation which had usurped authority within the region of Osiris, and whose usurpation led to a series of destructive coups within that region, [tIC: Incorrect. There has not been a coup in Osiris since his. Osiris did, with support of the members of the Government, and later support of the citizens, dissolve the foundations of the Kemetic Republic of Osiris in October/November 2013. The successor to Detective Figs, Venico, did, declare a new Government which has brought law and order to Osiris officially and for the first time since June 2013, elected a new Pharaoh/Delegate (myself).]

Declaiming The Dourian Embassy's coup of Osiris as an example of an incredibly violent and destructive coup, one which resulted in the ejection of thousands of nations, and the suppression of freedoms, [tIC: How? Yes, many nations were ejected but the high influence nations which existed in Osiris were untouchable, and thus the region would have been difficult to hold in the long term. No lasting damage was done and the past six months has repaired most of the damage, numbers aren't much different to what they were before the event and the community is more active than the one which existed during the events of July.]

Angered that, during Douria's coup, Osiris was made a protectorate of Gatesville inc – a region known for its stance against this council- and perturbed that the nation of The Dourian Embassy was pathetically thrown to foreigners for the duration of the coup, [tIC: Perhaps you should comment on the influential state of the nation at the time? It was one of the higher influential nations in the region at that point due to the endorsements it had held since October 2012. You definitely have a good starting point here but I think it needs fattening up.]

Disturbed by Douria's motivations for the coup: an arbitrary need for violence and the destruction of a region they supposedly served, [tIC: His motivations have never been clear cut in this, and they remain a point of debate for many people, including my cabinet as well as my predecessors. He has presented two or more various "explanations" for his actions. The first, in July, saying that "he had planned it from the start as part of his To-Do list", the other, presented more recently was to "remove Biyah" from the community. Perhaps both could be included, or perhaps you should discuss this further with him?]

Outraged over Douria's attempts at destroying this assembly through repealing resolutions which brought benefit to a wide variety of nations, the resolutions Douria has repealed include, but are not limited to:

• Against Corruption,

• The Right to Fair Trial

[tIC: Quaint. How would it destroy this assembly as it would need support of the members of this assembly in order to pass the repeals? Anyhow, you should list the repeals that he's been involved in that you feel are detrimental to the Assembly.]

Believing that The Dourian Embassy is a nation which has caused a significant amount of destruction, damage, and grief, and whose continued escape from punishment constitutes as a severe embarrassment to this council, [tIC: Interesting point, yet he is also a profilic GA author who has done a lot of work for the General Assembly in the art of cutting red tape and restoring national sovreignty over a collective government body, so you may need to explain why it is an embarrassment, he has since made attempts to right the wrongs he was involved in and is serving Osiris' new government and legislature.]

Hereby Condemns The Dourian Embassy.

Not my best effort, but serviceable, I think. Any comments, questions, critiques, additions?

[The Dourian Embassy]

tIC: His motivations have never been clear cut in this, and they remain a point of debate for many people, including my cabinet as well as my predecessors. He has presented two or more various "explanations" for his actions. The first, in July, saying that "he had planned it from the start as part of his To-Do list", the other, presented more recently was to "remove Biyah" from the community. Perhaps both could be included, or perhaps you should discuss this further with him?

Not to mention all the other explanations I made in the mean time. Boy howdy, if I'm going to have a past, I'd rather it be multiple choice.

[Frattastan II]

Arbitrary or not, planned out from the beginning or decided on a whim, what matters is that no "explanation" can possibly justify handing over a sinker region to Gatesville. That should be said, if anything.

Trying to explain in the proposal whatever motive Douria had would sound more like apologism than an attempt at accuracy.

[The Dourian Embassy]

Not to mention the fact that I have never once actually apologized for it. That oughta be included as well.

[Ramaeus]

Time to redraft.

[Ramaeus]

Second draft is up. Thoughts?

[Chester Pearson]

Not to mention the fact that I have never once actually apologized for it. That oughta be included as well.

OOC: Except for one small little detail. It wasn't you that committed those atrocities.... It was Durk. Remember?

[The Dourian Embassy]

Declaiming The Dourian Embassy's coup of Osiris as an example of an incredibly violent coup, one which resulted in Douria personally ejecting thousands of nations from Osiris,

This is mostly incorrect, I outsourced that work. Your original declaiming from the first draft was fine, except the part at the very end.

Declaiming The Dourian Embassy's coup of Osiris as an example of an incredibly violent and destructive coup, one which resulted in the ejection of thousands of nations,

would be a better choice...

Edit: Fucking ninja'd. I've been waiting for NS to come up for an hour to post that.

Not to mention the fact that I have never once actually apologized for it. That oughta be included as well.

OOC: Except for one small little detail. It wasn't you that committed those atrocities.... It was Durk. Remember?

Yeah we're not talking about the ejections, we were talking about the actual couping event. Which I did do.

[Abacathea]

Not to mention the fact that I have never once actually apologized for it. That oughta be included as well.

OOC: Except for one small little detail. It wasn't you that committed those atrocities.... It was Durk. Remember?

Durk may fired the bullets, but Douria bought the gun, filed down the serial number gave it a new set of sights and shortened the barrel before giving it to Durk.

[Venico]

Against. A single act should not be worthy of a commend or a condemn. Plus his extensive work to repair Osiris in the OFO and his WA work has improved the Assembly. These kind of negate his bad act. This is why it is better to do a commend/condemn on a pattern, it allows a better picture to be drawn.

[Ramaeus]

This is mostly incorrect, I outsourced that work. Your original declaiming from the first draft was fine, except the part at the very end.

Declaiming The Dourian Embassy's coup of Osiris as an example of an incredibly violent and destructive coup, one which resulted in the ejection of thousands of nations,

would be a better choice...

Alright, I changed that little clause. I don't think it's worth a whole new draft.

[Ramaeus]

I submitted this. I might as well try a test run.

[the Imperial Crown]

I've approved it, as I haven't been told otherwise by Douria, even if I do think it's a bit pointless.

[Ahntong]

I think it is ridiculous and wrong to condemn The Dourian Embassy for its repeal policy. First of all, every nation has the right to submit repeals and this is a normal part of the democratic process of the WA assembly. If there is anything that would destroy the WA, it is condemning a delegate for exercising their right as a delegate. And second, it is not true, as the resolution text suggests, that The Dourian Embassy singlehandedly decided to repeal these resolutions. In fact, they were repealed through majority vote of the WA assembly and this democratic decision has to be respected. If the WA were to pass this resolution it would effectly condemn itself, or at least the nations who have, as a majority of votes, voted to repeal these resolutions. And that again would just undercut the democratic foundations of the council, if the delegates' right to vote as they think right is no longer respect but condemned if it does not fit a preconceived idea of what WA policy should be like.

On these grounds I am utterly opposed to this resolution proposal.

[The Bruce]

The Dourian Embassy has become the new NAZI Europe for the Security Council to boot around. This is in part because anyone hearing about what happened in Osiris will find it hard to believe someone did what they did to the region and not being condemned for it. This will continue to happen as long as people stumble across records of the lengthy period of time when Osiris was reduced to being Coupville.

I wouldn't base any condemnation of the Dourian Embassy on what they did in Osiris, because they did absolutely nothing. Giving a condemnation for handing your nation to someone else to burn down the region is a joke. It rewards laziness. If you're going to condemn someone, condemn Gatesville Inc or Durk, the parties responsible for actually doing something. If your participation in a big heist is handing the keys to your car to some gangsters, while you sit at home and watch TV, you aren't a criminal mastermind and shouldn't be singled out as one.

While the Dourian Embassy's assault by repeal on WA legislation is at times regrettable, it's often less regrettable than the assault on WA legislation from a certain nation in a certain Catholic themed region. That said, it is the right of WA member states to put forward repeals and the right of the WA body to decide on whether to act on them.

[Strawberrry Fields]

^Agreed

Plus I don't think you can condemn someone for writing repeals that then get voted on and passed. That makes no sense, the majority of the WA supported the repeal.

[The Dourian Embassy]

Come on guys! I'm a bad man! I deserve to be punished!

*waggles his eyebrows*

This has my full support.

[Eist]

Against.

[Ramaeus]

^Agreed

Plus I don't think you can condemn someone for writing repeals that then get voted on and passed. That makes no sense, the majority of the WA supported the repeal.

That isn't entirely accurate. The lemmings supported those repeals.