[DEFEATED] Commend Hobbesistan

[Koderland]

Being a nice guy is simply not good enough for a commendation- even if they have an adorable name. So many commendations are being made by friends without much support from impartial sources I find it hard to understand what actually is commendable anymore.

Plus it's a bit off-putting that someone as active as the author of this didn't put it up for debate. So many people are going to look into the forum before casting their vote only to feel a little bit uneasy about that.

[Mondragonia]

Being a nice guy is simply not good enough for a commendation- even if they have an adorable name. So many commendations are being made by friends without much support from impartial sources I find it hard to understand what actually is commendable anymore.

Plus it's a bit off-putting that someone as active as the author of this didn't put it up for debate. So many people are going to look into the forum before casting their vote only to feel a little bit uneasy about that.

It's made me think;
that it's not worth my vote. What's he done? He may be a nice bloke, but that's not a reason to commend him.
that the author hasn't put it up for debate because he doesn't want to debate the points raised in the thread.

I'm against.

[Cerian Quilor]

Similarly, notice how the authors have also consistently failed to come into this thread to engage in debate now that there is one.

[Topid]

I think Hobbes is a great guy and I am definitely for this resolution.

Incidentally, Unibot, considering your position in the UDL (as founder and former chief), I have a SC proposal for your critique:

Nominee: NEW NATION | Proposed by: Eist

COMMENDING NEW NATION,

RECOGNISING that NEW NATION is a member of UDL,

REALISING that NEW NATION has done nothing notable other than join Unibot's merry band,

ALSO he is quite a great guy,

HEREBY COMMENDS NEW NATION

Whaddayathink?

The problem with your line of thinking is Hobbes isn't that new. He's accomplished a lot: I'm pretty sure he's highly involved in Lazarus, and he's been a big deal in TEP for a while. He was the runner-up to Bach in the last delegate election.

And for once, I have no idea why people are saying this isn't well-written. It's a good resolution.

[Cerian Quilor]

Well written, yes. A resolution that makes a good case for endorsing a guy I've barely heard of? Not for me, and not for many others.

[Topid]

Huh, normally I'm a pretty good judge of how well known a nominee is. And given that he's definitely been referenced far more often than I have in Gameplay for at least the last year I would have thought you'd have heard of him.

[Shendenflar]

The Republic of Shendenflar cannot support another defender praise-fest. Commendable as the nominee actions outside of GP may be it is still another attempt to bolster anti-imperialist support and build on the "defender is good" stereotype. Our support will of course not be needed as we are sure the "Yay" votes will rocket past the "Nays" as the chamber fills with delegates.

[Eist]

DAMN YOU, SKYDIP! *shakes fist*

I think this resolution is pretty well written (has anyone said otherwise?) Todd has certainly proven his chops here in the past. I also do know who Hobbes is as we've spent time in IRC together amongst other meetings. The question is whether Hobbes has done enough to deserve this commendation, and, also, what sort of stunt the authors' are trying to pull ramming this through without any consultation from the wider community.

[Cerian Quilor]

Huh, normally I'm a pretty good judge of how well known a nominee is. And given that he's definitely been referenced far more often than I have in Gameplay for at least the last year I would have thought you'd have heard of him.

You know him because you interact with him being in similar circles.

I didn't say he's not well known more broadly. But I personally have barely heard of the man. Given that, what's important is the claims the resolution makes about him and his achievements are critical for knowing if I think the man merits a commendation. And the fact of the matter is, this resolution does not paint a picture of a person that merits commendation.

[Communist Eraser]

Hobbes is a hero to offered to mass TG the world to preach the greatness that is the Calvin and Hobbes comic, Until the dastardly mods shut down that idea....

[Leutria]

I can say I have heard of him a bit, but I would have been more inclined to support if it was posted here by the authors. Call it petty but, just seems like proper form to me.

[Zarkanians]

I see Hobbes as being worthy of this Commendation, but unfortunately, passing this bill would reinforce the idea that slipping a proposal in under the Security Council Forum's radar is a good way to avoid being caught out. At this point, I'm in favour of having players post proposals in this forum, and having mods pick out the ones with enough support votes and adding them into the WA.

AGAINST, though for purely technical reasons.

[Moronist Decisions]

On behalf of Europeia, I have voted NAY on this following a regional 0-8 vote on this resolution. We find the defender rhetoric rather heavy. Furthermore, we believe that the overall achievements fall short of the expectations for a commendation.

/s/ Moronist Decisions
World Assembly Delegate for Europeia

[Kosamia]

This is an obscene resolution, we are thoroughly opposed to it.

[Zarkanians]

This is an obscene resolution, we are thoroughly opposed to it.

Oi, no need to go that far. It was very well-written, and at least two of the achievements listed here are worthy of appearing in a commendation--though they aren't justification for a commendation in and of themselves.

[Kosamia]

The quasi deification of this Hobbes individual is obscene.

[the Imperial Crown]

Osiris has voted against, at the moment, due to the rather large majority of in-game votes against it. I may change my vote depending on the outcome of the forum vote.

I personally have concerns, this appears to be an ode to defenderism, and a "feather" in the cap of a certain type of people. I see no reason to commend someone for doing something with fancy tools where there are just as many unsung heroes who make do without them.

That and when it comes to the forums... well, unless you want to start commending the owner of The South Pacific, The West Pacific, Equilism, Capitalist Paradise and the Pacific's either IPB or Xenforo (both premium forum softwares, IPB being the software that Lazarus uses) for providing their regions which such "tools", then it may be a good idea to strip even mentioning it from the proposal otherwise it'll become a case of "Who can spend the most on their regions?", also, fyi, Hobbes just hosts Lazarus's board. Milograd is the one who paid for the license and the fees with the help of the Lazarene community.

[Gujiristan]

I see no reason to commend someone for doing something with fancy tools where there are just as many unsung heroes who make do without them.

And while I personally support the cause of defending, I don't think it has much of a place in a commendation...

[Varovanjov]

Commending nations is still a waste of time.

The nations that end up getting commended are a part of the 'elite', or those who know how to pull strings on this site. There are a lot of nations who do good, and who will never be commended.

Nations don't need to be commended. They should just be happy that they did a little good part, and move on, instead of getting their buddies (or, creating another nation) to nominate them into being commended.

Corruption.
Which is why I'll always vote against.

[The Foxfyre Islands]

On behalf of The International Western Union I vote AGAINST. The reasons for voting against are noted above.

[Vuuhn]

Although I don't speak for theOld World Union, I support the commendation of Hobbesistan

[Vuuhn]

Also, I've never been in Lazarus,but, if the list of accomplishments is all true, Hobbesistan deserves a couple of commendations.

[Tabcorp Park]

Any circle jerks that are private and made public via the SC, Tabcorp Park shall not partake.

Against

[Draica]

The Republic of Draica stands against this for obvious reasons.

AGAINST.

[Ynys Dywyll]

Hobbs is an upstanding individual and player, however he is badly served by those who attempted to push this through. The Serene Emperor's delegation stands AGAINST on principle.