[DEFEATED] Commend Hobbesistan

[Sedgistan]

Commend Hobbesistan

Proposed by: Bodobol

Description: COGNIZANT of the goal of Security Council Commendations to recognize extensive contributions to nations and regions across the world,

RECOGNIZING that the nation of Hobbesistan, colloquially referred to as 'Hobbes', has actively worked to improve the quality of multiple major regions,

APPLAUDING Hobbesistan's vital and extremely hard work in establishing sophisticated forums for the regions of Lazarus, Miranda and Khora, thereby increasing activity within them and connecting nations within the region more closely,

GRATEFUL for the nation's establishment of RadioNS, which brings many people and nations together and informed by hosting talk shows and music stations,

IMPRESSED that Hobbesistan selflessly succeeded in ending the Purge of Khora, during which a rogue anonymous nation with access to the Founder's powers ejected almost all of the 116 recorded nations in the region, by removing the administrative powers of said nation and thus preventing total annihilation of the region,

ACKNOWLEDGING Hobbesistan's membership and work in the field of raiding and defending, including:

-Serving as a Merryman in the United Defenders League,

-Serving as a Captain in the Lazarene Liberation Army,

-Serving as a Colonel in the East Pacific Sovereign Army,

-Participating in the liberations of Asia, Christmas, and Region of United Muslim States, among countless others,

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING that representatives from Hobbesistan created several publications, such as 'A Guide to R/D' and 'So You've Been Raided...' that have helped new nations gain knowledge on the basics of raiding and defending,

OBSERVING that Hobbesistan created Serina, an artificial intelligence used by many nations to assist in defending and military operations worldwide,

NOTING that Hobbesistan is active within the World Assembly, co-authoring SC Resolution #128, 'Commend Harmoneia',

BELIEVING the aforementioned actions warrant a Commendation from the World Assembly by virtue of the incredible amount of hard work and devotion put into them and the benefit they have provided to the world,

HEREBY COMMENDS Hobbesistan.

Co-authored by Todd McCloud

I was surprised to see this with no thread and in queue getting pushed through pretty successfully. I would be interested in sources for some of the claims here...perhaps the authors should have put up their own thread

[Charax]

For shame Bodobol. I'd have expected better.

[Evil Lord Sauron]

As Hobbes is an enemy of the peoples of Mordor and banished from the Black Lands, the realm of the Dark Lord cannot support this proposal.

[Ramaeus]

I was surprised to see this with no thread and in queue getting pushed through pretty successfully. I would be interested in sources for some of the claims here...perhaps the authors should have put up their own thread

Ask around Lazarus and TEP. You'll find plenty of sources for those "claims".

For shame Bodobol. I'd have expected better.

The authors have a perfectly valid reason for not placing a thread on the forums, and, if they feel so inclined, they can choose to disclose it.

[Eist]

I was surprised to see this with no thread and in queue getting pushed through pretty successfully. I would be interested in sources for some of the claims here...perhaps the authors should have put up their own thread

Ask around Lazarus and TEP. You'll find plenty of sources for those "claims".

Linky link?

I'm not saying they are wrong--I created this thread and I'm trying to be as impartial to the nominee as I can be--but you can't effectively say "my source is that the source is out there". That doesn't make sense.

[Ramaeus]

Linky link?

I'm not saying they are wrong--I created this thread and I'm trying to be as impartial to the nominee as I can be--but you can't effectively say "my source is that the source is out there". That doesn't make sense.

I'm lazy, so I'm not going to hunt down all of those damn links, but I'll give you the ones I have easiest (quickest) access to: http://www.nationstates.net/page=dispat ... obbesistan
http://theeastpacific.com/single/?p=8012170&t=986965
Edit: Look on Lazarus's forum index, it'll say: Licensed to: Milograd, Maintained by: Hobbes

[Eist]

Does it count as a publication when it's only in your factbook? I was confused because I actually thought it replaced Naivetry's excellent guide in the GP forum. I would say that Bodobol and Todd McCloud are being extremely disingenuous to suggest that Hobbes' guide is any sort achievement worthy of an SC commendation because it alludes to the guide being in some sort of official GP capacity. I'm actually pretty annoyed by this. Hobbes' guide isn't bad, but the distribution is very limited and doesn't seem to cover anything not in the official guide.

I'm not really sure what I'm meant to be looking at in the Laz link. I see a single post that hasn't been updated in half a year with players that have long CTEd. It's not current and is certainly not impressive to me. Perhaps you posted the wrong link because I don't see the "Licensed to: Milograd, Maintained by: Hobbes"

I feel pretty bad about this because I can see how this would come across as a slight to Hobbes, who has everything to lose from my persistence. It's not. I am outraged that the devious tactics employed by Bodobol and Todd McCloud in (a) trying to rapidly push this through the SC without any discourse; and (b) coming across as disingenuous about Hobbes' achievements at best, and outright lies at worst. I don't know who you are, Ramaeus, but I would love if Bodobol and Todd McCloud--both extremely active in this forum, usually --would defend themselves of these accusations.

[Cerian Quilor]

The only reasons they would have not made a thread is because they feared a public debate on the matter.

While it is a nice career, and obvious Hobbes is a successful and all around nice guy, haven't we watered the commendation resolution down enough to giving it to every 'successful and nice guy' active in the GCRs or defender circles (or both?). Let's save it for real accomplishments that are, well, distinct and new.

[Christian Democrats]

NOTING that Hobbesistan is active within the World Assembly

This claim is completely false! Altogether, he's made 27 posts in the World Assembly forums.

AGAINST

[Ramaeus]

I'm not really sure what I'm meant to be looking at in the Laz link. I see a single post that hasn't been updated in half a year with players that have long CTEd. It's not current and is certainly not impressive to me. Perhaps you posted the wrong link because I don't see the "Licensed to: Milograd, Maintained by: Hobbes"

The link I posted was one to TEP's forum, not Lazarus's.
Lazarus's forum: http://nslazarus.com/
Edit: The piece of info you're looking for is on the bottom.
Edit 2: Radio ns: http://radions.hobbeshost.com/

[SkyDip]

This is unwarranted back-patting at its finest. I stand AGAINST this proposal.

[Ramaeus]

This claim is completely false! Altogether, he's made 27 posts in the World Assembly forums.

AGAINST

Check SC#128. You'll see Hobbes has a co-author credit. A co-author credit denotes at least some level of activity.
Too lazy to check? http://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pas ... /start=127

[Christian Democrats]

This claim is completely false! Altogether, he's made 27 posts in the World Assembly forums.

AGAINST

Check SC#128. You'll see Hobbes has a co-author credit. A co-author credit denotes at least some level of activity.

Being one of three authors for one Security Council resolution does not constitute World Assembly activity.

[Frattastan II]

Especially not WA activity significant enough to be mentioned in a Commendation ("a resolution to recognise outstanding contributions").

[Ramaeus]

Being one of three authors for one Security Council resolution does not constitute World Assembly activity.

It constitutes a tiny bit of WA activity. It shows they were involved in its creation, however slight their role may have been.

Especially not WA activity significant enough to be mentioned in a Commendation ("a resolution to recognise outstanding contributions").

Fair enough. I don't know why they put that clause in. Maybe they thought his contribution sounded more impressive than it actually is. *shrugs*

[Tim-Opolis]

I like Hobbes a lot, but this is sadly not up to par as an SC Resolution. I'm also very much not a fan of the fact that the author has both avoided posting a thread and then avoided responding to comments.
Against.

[Frattastan II]

I'm afraid that "sounding more impressive than it actually is" is the entire foundation of this proposal.

[Ramaeus]

I like Hobbes a lot, but this is sadly not up to par as an SC Resolution. I'm also very much not a fan of the fact that the author has both avoided posting a thread and then avoided responding to comments.
Against.

A disappointing sentiment.

I'm afraid that "sounding more impressive than it actually is" is the entire foundation of this proposal.

Maybe. Hobbes certainly does have some impressive technical achievements, but are those achievements alone enough to warrant a commendation? I think that may be what this boils down to.

[Unibot III]

I think Hobbes is a great guy and I am definitely for this resolution.

[Sciongrad]

Being one of three authors for one Security Council resolution does not constitute World Assembly activity.

It constitutes a tiny bit of WA activity. It shows they were involved in its creation, however slight their role may have been.

That is not even remotely commendable. Otherwise, there are a crowd of very active WA authors waiting for their badges. This notwithstanding, I'm extremely frustrated by the author dismissing the input of the council as a whole and am very much against this because of that. I don't know much about the candidate, but it's unfortunate that the author didn't care enough to post this on the forums first. It may have prevented a few punctuation errors and poorly worded phrases.

[Cerian Quilor]

I think Hobbes is a great guy and I am definitely for this resolution.

Well, of course you think he's worthy of commendation. He defended!

[Eist]

I think Hobbes is a great guy and I am definitely for this resolution.

Incidentally, Unibot, considering your position in the UDL (as founder and former chief), I have a SC proposal for your critique:

Nominee: NEW NATION | Proposed by: Eist

COMMENDING NEW NATION,

RECOGNISING that NEW NATION is a member of UDL,

REALISING that NEW NATION has done nothing notable other than join Unibot's merry band,

ALSO he is quite a great guy,

HEREBY COMMENDS NEW NATION

Whaddayathink?

[Unibot III]

I'm not really sure why they mentioned his career in UDL, he was a private with us for a few weeks - I don't think he is a member anymore. His contributions elsewhere are what make this resolution worthy of passing for me.

In particular, his work on RadioNS (http://radions.hobbeshost.com) and his admin work.

[Anumia]

I think Hobbes is a great guy and I am definitely for this resolution.

Incidentally, Unibot, considering your position in the UDL (as founder and former chief), I have a SC proposal for your critique:

Nominee: NEW NATION | Proposed by: Eist

COMMENDING NEW NATION,

RECOGNISING that NEW NATION is a member of UDL,

REALISING that NEW NATION has done nothing notable other than join Unibot's merry band,

ALSO he is quite a great guy,

HEREBY COMMENDS NEW NATION

Whaddayathink?

Best thing I have read on these forums all day. It's pretty much the exact template.

[SkyDip]

I think Hobbes is a great guy and I am definitely for this resolution.

Incidentally, Unibot, considering your position in the UDL (as founder and former chief), I have a SC proposal for your critique:

Nominee: NEW NATION | Proposed by: Eist

COMMENDING NEW NATION,

RECOGNISING that NEW NATION is a member of UDL,

REALISING that NEW NATION has done nothing notable other than join Unibot's merry band,

ALSO he is quite a great guy,

HEREBY COMMENDS NEW NATION

Whaddayathink?

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