[PASSED] Repeal "Liberate Nazi Europe"

[Unibot III]

Observable facts require data to be considered fact, which even then is an approximation. Furthermore, a graph without data, is like saying, - because I said so- And seeing that we have no way, as far as I know, to determine who is making the puppets, then the question I have for you, is how are you comming up with such a conclusion?

I have observed an overall incease in the population and general activity of nazi regions since Liberate Nazi Europe was passed. I don't have specific data, but Unibot's Data fits that observed phenomenon.

I went with the biggest Nazi regions that are actively engaged together as the "Right-Wing Uprising" and such. So that's National Socialist League, NAZI EUROPE, GGR, The Fascist Union, NBE, Union of Nationalists and BLITZKRIEG.

Problem with trying to attack Nazis is the old push-down push-up effect which plagues the War on Drugs and such: if they leave one region, they join another Nazi region. The rise of National Socialist League coincides with a brief period of turbulence in GGR and Nazi Europe in March 2013. All three have since stabilized in growth. Supporters of the War on Nazis were misguided in thinking that lower populations in NAZI EUROPE and GGR (attributable to their counter-intelligence purges) were a sign of victory.

At the same time as that went on, National Socialist League was probably the strongest Nazi invader group I've ever seen since (and of course, the so-called Anti-Nazi forces weren't involved with the liberations against NSL) - they must have had professional training and they were much larger in military capacity than GGR ever was.

Here's that graph:



I just quoted the harmonized one, because I think it shows the overall trend better. The War on Nazis was a useless endeavor.

[Topid]

I haven't logged in since the end of December (nations maintained by script) and I randomly had the strong desire to sit down at a computer and get on NS today. Now I know the source of that spider-sense. Approved.

EDIT: Also, nice to see you Uni, CQ, Nazis, etc.

[Cerian Quilor]

The war on any RL political ideology in NationStates by anyone is useless and should stay in General, RPing and the GA.

[The Dark]

This has reached quorum. I look forward to seeing how the vote plays out.

[Tantricia]

Odd that the Nation which proposed this resigned from the World Assembly immediately afterwards.

[Chester Pearson]

UNITED FEDERATION OF CANADA



IMPERIAL MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

At the behest of Prime Minister Jack Layston, we are please to cast our vote of AYE. SC#109 was a travesty of the lemming vote, and that is all. It never should nave passed, and has brought great shame upon this council (not that it ever had anything to be proud of in the first place). We dearly hope our fellow nations will follow suit, and remove this blight of a resolution from the books, thus restoring some hope for what may eventually turn into a decent council.....

Warmest regards,

[The Dark]

Odd that the Nation which proposed this resigned from the World Assembly immediately afterwards.

Why so? WA membership is not necessary once a proposal has been submitted.

[Unibot III]

Down to lobbying small delegates as they vote. Oh how low I have fallen

[Cerian Quilor]

Down to lobbying small delegates as they vote. Oh how low I have fallen

You've always done that, Uni.

[The Bruce]

Well it wouldn't be a year in the NationStates Security Council, without a Nazi region resolution. It's been nearly two months since the last one, so we're overdue.

[The Dark]

Well it wouldn't be a year in the NationStates Security Council, without a Nazi region resolution. It's been nearly two months since the last one, so we're overdue.

Let us hope this resolution can prevent such chatter in the future.

[Captain Woodhouse]

At the same time as that went on, National Socialist League was probably the strongest Nazi invader group I've ever seen since (and of course, the so-called Anti-Nazi forces weren't involved with the liberations against NSL) - they must have had professional training and they were much larger in military capacity than GGR ever was.

In your Profiting from the "War on Nazis" GP editorial, you erroneously stated said that I control the NSL. Now you claim that the NSL was the strongest Nazi invader group you've ever seen? If so, it's hardly worth mentioning.

When Aryan Shield Command turned on the GGR and moved to the NSL to command that region's tiny military, he launched a vicious TG campaign against LCG, briefly netting a considerable number of GGR WA, which he briefly used to fuel his war machine. 'Briefly' is the operative word when it comes to the NSL back in March-April '13. The NSL flamed out as quickly as it had ignited; membership plummeted from 80 to 12 seemingly overnight.

You were unaware that the GGR military had gained troop strength. They'd fielded double digit numbers in the botched Pan Aryan Republics op and still had some to spare for The Middle East and The Islamic Republic of Iran.

The only NSL op I recall was in The Islamic Republic of Iran, bereft of natives at that point and up for grabs after the UDL had abandoned it. You recovered the region from the NSL only to let it fall into Nazi hands again.

Fervently condemning that SC#109 not only produced free face time for such a despicable and Condemned region, but that the subsequent attempts to attack the region only had the effect of strengthening the region and its membership

#109 Repeal attempts have produced more 'free face time' for our despicable region than #109. Thanks!

[The Dark]

Fervently condemning that SC#109 not only produced free face time for such a despicable and Condemned region, but that the subsequent attempts to attack the region only had the effect of strengthening the region and its membership

#109 Repeal attempts have produced more 'free face time' for our despicable region than #109. Thanks!

Quire right. After one passes, the debate should be put to rest for good.

[Novus Niciae]

Has N*** Europe demonstrated any change of policy regarding raiding which got them this sanction in the first place?

[Aristotzka]

We of Aristotzka sincerely hope that this bill passes and removes the black mark on the honorable Security Council that is SC#109.

For.

[Totally Not Nazi SS]

I don't think Nazi scum should even be allowed here in the first place.

[Ponderosa]

We're winning! We might end up having some swing votes that decide this.

Has N*** Europe demonstrated any change of policy regarding raiding which got them this sanction in the first place?

Raiding had hardly anything to do with it. In fact, Nazi Europe had been fairly quiet until this resolution passed. It was only after SC#109 that they began raiding again. The whole reason this passed is because a few juggernaut delegates convinced the lemmings that the players behind Nazi Europe are evil fascists and deserve to have their region destroyed.

Also, you're allowed to say the full word "Nazi." Asterisks are even more offensive, in my opinion.

I don't think Nazi scum should even be allowed here in the first place.

Free speech is such a pain in the ass, isn't it?

[Totally Not Nazi SS]

Free speech doesn't apply when it's a matter of groups directly supportive of the historical events involving the systemic murder of millions of people.

[JJL Recruiter]

What the hell?

Why isn't this Quisling-inspired travesty going down in flames?

Can't you people count?

As of this writing, the neo-nazis are having to park twenty-five (25) WA nations in Nazi Europe to protect it.

That's twenty-five (25) genocidal maniacs who are NOT invading your region because we've got them too busy trying to hold their own.

Why am I the only one who notices this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

Please vote AGAINST this horrible resolution!

Shalom.

JJL Recruiter
on behalf of
Glorious General Dayan
Rav-Aluf, Jewish Justice League

[The Dark]

Free speech doesn't apply when it's a matter of groups directly supportive of the historical events involving the systemic murder of millions of people.

Incorrect.

What the hell?

Why isn't this Quisling-inspired travesty going down in flames?

Can't you people count?

As of this writing, the neo-nazis are having to park twenty-five (25) WA nations in Nazi Europe to protect it.

That's twenty-five (25) genocidal maniacs who are NOT invading your region because we've got them too busy trying to hold their own.

Why am I the only one who notices this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

Please vote AGAINST this horrible resolution!

Shalom.

JJL Recruiter
on behalf of
Glorious General Dayan
Rav-Aluf, Jewish Justice League

First off, classifying those nations as "genocidal maniacs" probably borders on flaming. Secondly, NE hasn't been active military in a long, long time. Your point is moot in that regard.

[Ponderosa]

-snip-

Pro tip: make sure you increase your font size whenever you post, lest people don't take you seriously.

Oh wait. We still don't.

[United Federation of Canada]

Free speech doesn't apply when it's a matter of groups directly supportive of the historical events involving the systemic murder of millions of people.

Have the people that happen to control the nations in Nazi Europe systematically murdered millions of people????

[Normlpeople]

This resolution is largely the reason we consider the security council to be a joke, given this malicious application to what is supposed to be a noble action. So long as this is on the books, the SC has little credibility in our view.

In what may be a first for us, we agree with, and echo everything Ambassador Pearson has said previously. We support the repeal fully.

[Scarsaw]

Have the people that happen to control the nations in Nazi Europe systematically murdered millions of people????

I always enjoy reading the comments on threads like this as often I find out new things about myself. Today I learned that I've murdered millions of people, you'd think that would be something that I would notice.

Like all the times before, I am for this repeal as it is disgusting to see the liberation system used in this manner and we should not allow the ignorance of some of the WA members to dictate resolutions.

[JJL Recruiter]

(Nazi Europe) hasn't been active military in a long, long time. Your point is moot in that regard.

No, actually, you've proven my point. (Thanks!) Because what you've said above is exactly like saying, "You know, Massachusetts aught to to let Dzhokhar Tsarnaev out of jail because he hasn't bombed any major sporting event in almost a year now."

Exactly!

The reason why Tsarnaev hasn't bombed anybody for almost a year is because he's been in jail. And the reason why Nazi Europe "hasn't been active militar(il)y in a long, long time" is because they've been too busy defending their own region to attack anybody.

All this Quisling-esque resolution is going to do is make it so those goose-stepping genocidal maniacs can start attacking regions all over NationStates again, which they haven't been able to do in a long, long time, because their region has had a liberation resolution in effect!

I mean... HELLO!

First off, classifying those nations as "genocidal maniacs" probably borders on flaming

You know, for one thing, they want to kill me. They want to kill everybody in my family. They want to kill most of my friends. And they want to do these things for no reason other than the religious proclivities of our ancestors. If they're not "genocidal maniacs," then what are they?

(And ethnic background aside, you know what the great thing about fighting Nazis is? When fighting Nazis, it is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to lose the moral high ground! Because no matter what we do to them, they've done worse to us! And no matter what we say about them, they've said worse about us! So I'm going to go ahead and keep calling them "genocidal manaiacs," but thank you for sharing your opinion on the matter.)

Shalom.

JJL Recruiter
on behalf of
Glorious General Dayan
Rav Aluf, the Jewish Justice League