[PASSED] Assisted Suicide Act

[Calderax]

Though The Great Father supports the spirit of this resolution, He cannot, in good conscience, support the erosion of His nations sovereignty when sections 2 and 3 would commit to that. Calderax retains the right to treat its citizens how it pleases.

Also, I would like to agree with Delegate Bonifatus and reiterate that the purpose of the WA is to regulate member states- not create laws.

All Hail The Great Father, Gah Bua Kham.

[Bears Armed]

With the previous resolution now repealed we already have that right (again) anyhows.
I therefore suggest replacing "Grants every member nation" with "Recognises that every member nation has".

I am reluctant to use the word "recognize" because that is merely a statement of fact and not a statement of action.

I would argue, at present, that national governments and the General Assembly share the authority to regulate assisted suicide. Section 1 is a definitive statement that the General Assembly is handing over full authority to the member states in this area.

With the earlier resolution repealed, and your proposal not yet passed, on what basis do you argue that the General Assembly currently has any authority in the matter?

[Christian Democrats]

I am reluctant to use the word "recognize" because that is merely a statement of fact and not a statement of action.

I would argue, at present, that national governments and the General Assembly share the authority to regulate assisted suicide. Section 1 is a definitive statement that the General Assembly is handing over full authority to the member states in this area.

With the earlier resolution repealed, and your proposal not yet passed, on what basis do you argue that the General Assembly currently has any authority in the matter?

Wherever the General Assembly could pass a resolution, I think it has authority in that area.

authority: the power to give orders or make decisions; the power or right to direct or control someone or something.

The only thing that limits that authority is a blocker resolution.

To give a real-world example, U.S. states have the authority to ban alcoholic beverages; but none of them do so.

The General Assembly has the authority to legalize, prohibit, or regulate assisted suicide; but it is not doing so.

[Chester Pearson]

The General Assembly has the authority to legalize, prohibit, or regulate assisted suicide; but it is not doing so.

I am still at a loss to understand why it should even care.....

[Eireann Fae]

"Well, Chester, that's just because you hate the suffering and infirm." Alex rolls her eyes, wondering why she bothers. "We get it - you're an ardent believer in sovereignty of individual nations over every little thing that may just happen to not need international protections. When are you going to get that some of us seek to protect peoples' rights on a grander scale?"

[Chester Pearson]

"Well, Chester, that's just because you hate the suffering and infirm." Alex rolls her eyes, wondering why she bothers. "We get it - you're an ardent believer in sovereignty of individual nations over every little thing that may just happen to not need international protections. When are you going to get that some of us seek to protect peoples' rights on a grander scale?"

What is preventing assisted suicide from taking place in your nation at the moment? Last time I checked, it is not regulated on in anyway shape or form... I guess the WA needs to hold your hand, and tell you what to do, lest you be lost in the abyss of self governance.....

[Unibot III]

This isn't a backdoor blocker for Abortion, yes?

[Eireann Fae]

"Assisted suicide is, of course, legal in Eireann Fae. But we, presumably like the Christian Democrats, would like to see the same freedom afforded to everybody, everywhere. Just because your Canadians are not within our borders doesn't mean we can't do what we can to try and secure the same rights for them."

[Chester Pearson]

This isn't a backdoor blocker for Abortion, yes?

Sure reads that way to me Uni......

[Sciongrad]

This isn't a backdoor blocker for Abortion, yes?

Sure reads that way to me Uni......

How? How, save for the most contrived possible reading, could assisted suicide refer to abortion? I understand that you may be biased against his Excellency of Christian Democrats based on their efforts to prohibit abortion in the past, but you can't just assume, without any basis in fact, that their motivates are always to foil World Assembly efforts on abortion. The only conceivable way your interpretation would be correct is if one considered aborting a fetus as an "act of killing or permitting the death of a hopelessly sick or injured individual." Obviously this is not the case.

[The Republic of Mattlandia]

OOC: Should we make a NSG post to talk about this in irl?

[Conway]

Why should the idea of "Right To Die" be subjected to every member state? Why can't we make our own personal decisions on whats best for our populations!

Another bill that is highly intrusive and uses a one size fits all approach! It wont work and shouldn't be brought to vote!

We need more sovereignty, not WA liberal dictatorships!

[Bears Armed]

With the earlier resolution repealed, and your proposal not yet passed, on what basis do you argue that the General Assembly currently has any authority in the matter?

Wherever the General Assembly could pass a resolution, I think it has authority in that area.

And, speaking from a NatSov viewpoint, I disagree: The GA has authority only in the context of passed resolutions.
Does our our national (and/or sub-national) legislation on the topic have to comply with a GA resolution about this subject, or do we have to get our legislation specifically approved by the GA? No? Then the GA currently has no authority in the matter.
That wording would therefore be a deal-brreaker in terms of getting the Bears (and possibly some other NatSov-inclined nations, too) to vote for this proposal.

(And there is precedent for using the "Recognises that" wording in proposals for this reason.)

[The Flood]

You have the support of the Flood. This can hopefully prevent future forced legalization of euthanasia as has happened regarding abortion, via 'On Abortion'.

[Christian Democrats]

This isn't a backdoor blocker for Abortion, yes?

Only if you think unborn children want to die, in which case their mothers would be helping them commit suicide.

Another bill that is highly intrusive and uses a one size fits all approach! It wont work and shouldn't be brought to vote!

We need more sovereignty, not WA liberal dictatorships!

Did you even read the proposal?

[Rotwood]

Ambassador Reigns reviews the proposal

Seems adequate for us. You have our support.

[Serocia]

Celidonius Lancius, the ambassador from Venolia to the W.A., said in slight frustration, "We cannot support this as it does not go far enough. Assisted suicide cannot be allowed. We will not support anything that attempts to compromise our beliefs so as to appeal to a socially liberal line of thought."

[The Eternal Kawaii]

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

Suicide is an abomination. It is an selfish, cowardly act that denies one's worth as a person, both to oneself and to all whose lives one touches. As such, it is an offense against one's Creator, one's loved ones and community, and indeed against all humanity. To assist in a suicide is nothing short of murder. The very idea that we mandate its legalization through the WA should offend the conscience of every decent member of this institution.

[Christian Democrats]

The very idea that we mandate its legalization through the WA should offend the conscience of every decent member of this institution.

This proposal would not do that.

[Rotwood]

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

Suicide is an abomination. It is an selfish, cowardly act that denies one's worth as a person, both to oneself and to all whose lives one touches. As such, it is an offense against one's Creator, one's loved ones and community, and indeed against all humanity. To assist in a suicide is nothing short of murder. The very idea that we mandate its legalization through the WA should offend the conscience of every decent member of this institution.

One's creator? Are you from a clone batch or something?

Yes, we do get what you mean, but that belief is by no means universal. Sidenote though, suicide is already decriminilaised

[Serocia]

Suicide is an abomination. It is an selfish, cowardly act that denies one's worth as a person, both to oneself and to all whose lives one touches. As such, it is an offense against one's Creator, one's loved ones and community, and indeed against all humanity. To assist in a suicide is nothing short of murder. The very idea that we mandate its legalization through the WA should offend the conscience of every decent member of this institution.

"Fiat, fiat, fiat et amen," said Celidonius Lancius in his native tongue, Latin.

The very idea that we mandate its legalization through the WA should offend the conscience of every decent member of this institution.

This proposal would not do that.

Celidonius Lancius, seeing this proposal as a compromise with sin, retorted, "You let there be suicide, you let this abomination continue! The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. It was made in the image of God Himself, and, thus, any act that puts an end to the life is murder. It is a grave offense against the dignity of man and against God. God has given to us life, and everyone is, therefore, responsible for his life before God."
After he recollected himself, he said, "God is the single master of life, not us. We are stewards of life on Earth and human life, not owners. We lack all authority to take another life and even our own."

[Rotwood]

You let there be suicide, you let this abomination continue. The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. It was made in the image of God Himself, and, thus, any act that puts an end to the life is murder. It is a grave offense against the dignity of man and against God. God has given to us life, and everyone is, therefore, responsible for his life before God.
God is the single master of life, not us. We are stewards of life on Earth and human life, not owners. We lack all authority to take another life and even our own.

Who's god? Your god? Certainly not our god... Or that should be gods, as there are many cultures in Rotwood... Not to mention atheists... but that is getting way off topic.

Although, as mentioned, suicide is already decriminilaised

[Serocia]

You let there be suicide, you let this abomination continue. The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. It was made in the image of God Himself, and, thus, any act that puts an end to the life is murder. It is a grave offense against the dignity of man and against God. God has given to us life, and everyone is, therefore, responsible for his life before God.
God is the single master of life, not us. We are stewards of life on Earth and human life, not owners. We lack all authority to take another life and even our own.

Who's god? Your god? Certainly not our god... Or that should be gods, as there are many cultures in Rotwood... Not to mention atheists... but that is getting way off topic.

Although, as mentioned, suicide is already decriminilaised

Set aback by this question, Celidonius Lancius answered, "The one and only god: Almighty God Himself, the Supreme Being, the creator and sustainer of the universe: God, who revealed Himself to Abraham."

He replied to the second comment, "Where that resolution is concerned, we also are not proponents of it."

[Rotwood]

Who's god? Your god? Certainly not our god... Or that should be gods, as there are many cultures in Rotwood... Not to mention atheists... but that is getting way off topic.

Although, as mentioned, suicide is already decriminilaised

The one and only god: Almighty God Himself, the Supreme Being, the creator and sustainer of the universe: God, who revealed Himself to Abraham.

We also are not proponents of that law.

As stated, many cultures, many gods, yadayada... Oh, and we forgot to mention that some actually run countries here (OOC: yes, some head down that road...)

And while you are not proponents, you are still subjected to that law

[Serocia]

The one and only god: Almighty God Himself, the Supreme Being, the creator and sustainer of the universe: God, who revealed Himself to Abraham.

We also are not proponents of that law.

As stated, many cultures, many gods, yadayada... Oh, and we forgot to mention that some actually run countries here (OOC: yes, some head down that road...)

And while you are not proponents, you are still subjected to that law

[OoC: I know; I'm aware of this all.]

Hearing the ambassador of Rotwood say that made Celidonius Lancius slightly annoyed with his almost pestiferous comments. "We are subject to no secular law would violate the Will of God."
[OoC: Yes, I know I'm supposed to follow the W.A. resolutions, but you can RP refusal and non-compliance.]