[DEFEATED] Condemn Cormac A Stark

[Sedgistan]

N.B:I'm resurrecting this one, I've always like Cormac and I feel his contributions, again with Douria's have gone unnoticed too long, I did remove the Wintermoot aspect as was previously requested though.

Feedback appreciated as always!

Condemn Cormac A Stark

A resolution to express shock and outrage

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: Cormac A Stark | Proposed by: Abacathea

The Security Council;

Convinced that the work of this esteemed council continues to serve as a beacon to the international community in terms of both illuminating those who have contributed to its betterment and warning against those who would serve a detriment to it;

Troubled that Cormac A Stark has been overlooked by this esteemed body despite the odious impact it has levied upon the international community;

Noting that Cormac A Stark is the former prince regent of the imperialist region Exshaw, a region which on the orders of Durkadurkiranistan II dispatched itself to The North Pacific in an attempt to invade upon the region and inflict havoc during the period of governmental changeover occurring at that time;

Aware that in addition to their association with Exshaw Cormac A Stark was also the founder of Asgard, an Imperialist region well known within this assembly for the destruction and chaos it inflicted on the region of Christmas, ultimately requiring this very council to step in and liberate said region;

Dismayed that Cormac A Stark has repeatedly shifted allegiances, being at various times a defender, raider, or imperialist, using whatever identity and label suits their nefarious purposes, and aware that through this practice, Cormac A Stark has repeatedly shown the international community their duplicitous nature;

Aware that when not destroying innocent regions and displacing their natives, Cormac A Stark enjoys politically motivated destruction, having sparked a coup of their home region Osiris after signing a treaty with Gatesville Inc which they immediately proceeded to break the conditions of leading to the purging of the region by Cormac's own hand only to resign the post to Detective Figs, the end result being the further breach and dissolving of the constitution of the region, of which Cormac supported;

Further aware that Cormac A Stark is currently the occupying point of St Abbaddon alongside the Brotherhood of Malice, an operation which not only saw the region targeted and fall to Cormac and their ilk with expert precision and execution but saw the Security Council itself brought to shame by the antics of Cormac and associates;

Believing that at this present time, Cormac A Stark is politically one of the most dangerous nations at large within the international community;

Hereby
Condemns Cormac A Stark.

Many thanks to Ramaeus for their tidying up of my language and structure!
Aba

Edit - I'm aware there is an issue surround Cormac no longer being Abbaddon point, however at the time of submission that had been edited, and obviously burped somewhere. That said, at the time of authoring and first submission it would have been valid. So I'm noting it as a flaw, but not a fatal one.

[Rotwood]

Wow... And these are the ones writing a replacement to Condemn The Black Riders.

(OOC Sidenote: I admit I was a bit annoyed recently when I revived an old nation of mine and promptly kicked out of Osiris)

[The Saturnian Republic]

Wait, Cormac's battering of Wintermoot is in this? Holy hell, you did your homework.

[Cor Mali]

I fully support this resolution

[Mad Jack]

I fully support this. Cormac is evil.

Evil.

[Tim-Opolis]

No. Absolutely not. I'm sorry, but he's not deserving of it at all. Not every Little Raider should get a little backpat, especially not Cormac.

Also, any chance you could remove the Spiritus bit? Feel free to find a different reason, but I don't appreciate stuff like that ever being put into SC Resolutions; especially considering how little of the story you likely have.

[Wintermoot]

Also, any chance you could remove the Spiritus bit? Feel free to find a different reason, but I don't appreciate stuff like that ever being put into SC Resolutions; especially considering how little of the story you likely have.

This. I don't know where you got your facts on that, but it wasn't from me, and while Cormac was involved in the events at hand, he's not even 10% of the reason I resigned from the Presidency and left Spiritus.

[Frattastan II]

Believing that at this present time, Cormac A Stark is politically one of the most dangerous individuals at large within the international community;

I thought Cormac A Stark was a nation, not an individual?

[Tim-Opolis]

Believing that at this present time, Cormac A Stark is politically one of the most dangerous individuals at large within the international community;

I thought Cormac A Stark was a nation, not an individual?

Oh, I missed that part.
It's also an incorrect statement

[Venico]

I love ya Cor, and you will get condemned. Hold off a bit and make a solid one. *tips hat*

[Shadow Afforess]

I support this condemnation, Cormac A Stark is the epitome of the career trouble-makers in NS.

[Cormac A Stark]

For the record, I neither support nor oppose this condemnation. I think there are people more deserving of condemnation (and I mean that in a nice way! ) of condemnation than myself, but whatever floats the Security Council's boat. I'll be staying out of this thread for the most part.

I did want to pop in to heartily encourage Tim to actually do something in this game besides complain from his armchair. There are a few other things I'd encourage him to do but I don't want to provide anymore fodder for my condemnation.

[Karputsk]

Against. Cormac's exploits aren't enough for a condemnation... yet.

[United Federation of Canada]

As someone always needs to start shit, and get the flame-war going, I will be it:

Aba, you forgot to mention the fact that Cormac blatantly backstabbed the UDL...

Anddddddddddd BEGIN!!!!

[Kiwitaicho]

I considered this the other day, actually but naaa. I don't think he's quite condemn worthy yet.

[Abacathea]

Also, any chance you could remove the Spiritus bit? Feel free to find a different reason, but I don't appreciate stuff like that ever being put into SC Resolutions; especially considering how little of the story you likely have.

This. I don't know where you got your facts on that, but it wasn't from me, and while Cormac was involved in the events at hand, he's not even 10% of the reason I resigned from the Presidency and left Spiritus.

I'll remove it for the same reasons I pulled the Osiris aspect from Douria's, out of not wanting to start shit with the region if I don't have to. I assure you that's the sole reason I'd be agreeing to it.

Also Tim, this isn't simply giving a raider a pat on the back, if you've paid any attention to my work over the past few months you'd know I don't operate that way

I thought Cormac A Stark was a nation, not an individual?

Oh, I missed that part.
It's also an incorrect statement

Crap, it was supposed to say "individual nations", will rectify when editing tonight after work.

I love ya Cor, and you will get condemned. Hold off a bit and make a solid one. *tips hat*

This won't be submitted until the new year anyway Ven, simply a drafting run here, lets be honest, this is actually omitting some of Cormac's work, it's not like he doesn't deserve one.

I support this condemnation, Cormac A Stark is the epitome of the career trouble-makers in NS.

This ^

As someone always needs to start shit, and get the flame-war going, I will be it:

Aba, you forgot to mention the fact that Cormac blatantly backstabbed the UDL...

Anddddddddddd BEGIN!!!!

I'm not touching this with a thousand foot pole

I considered this the other day, actually but naaa. I don't think he's quite condemn worthy yet.

I'd be inclined to disagree, but respect your right to think that way as a few others do.

Lets be honest here, some of the most overlooked nations in this game are ones that excel at what they do, and yet are still deemed to have not done "enough".

Considering the above is far from an exhaustive list of what Cormac has done, and considering how many people are aware of if not the exploits of Cormac A Stark, then at least the name, it begs the question, when does this council see fit to feel they have done enough? Where do we draw the line in the sand and say, ok, yeah you've accomplished x amount of misdeeds or in the case of commends, good deeds? What is the qualifier?

This was my case against the SC for a long time now, if nations have done enough to become well known in the international community, to have impacted gameplay on a large enough scale that it has either become reknoundly known as a detrimental nation or an inspiring/beneficial one, and there's enough their to support a really good effort at furthering gameplay, I'm inclined to side that this is the point where they have done enough (potentially) to be acknowledged by the powers that be.

Also kiwi, that rant wasn't specifically at you lol, just you were the last of the comments to make that comment lol

[Galente federation]

LIES THE Accused iS innOCENT

[Abacathea]

LIES THE Accused iS linn
OCENT

Far from it. Whatever you're smoking I'll have some.

[Venico]

I'm of the mind that when Cormac, Koth, and I are condemned that they should be damned good ones. We're logging down our names in the annals of history. Why go for one that people go, "Meh, I guess." When we could go for the "Hell yes, those bastards deserve it." So until I see a condemn worthy of my brother, I am against.

[Kiwitaicho]

This. I don't know where you got your facts on that, but it wasn't from me, and while Cormac was involved in the events at hand, he's not even 10% of the reason I resigned from the Presidency and left Spiritus.

I'll remove it for the same reasons I pulled the Osiris aspect from Douria's, out of not wanting to start shit with the region if I don't have to. I assure you that's the sole reason I'd be agreeing to it.

Also Tim, this isn't simply giving a raider a pat on the back, if you've paid any attention to my work over the past few months you'd know I don't operate that way

Oh, I missed that part.
It's also an incorrect statement

Crap, it was supposed to say "individual nations", will rectify when editing tonight after work.

I love ya Cor, and you will get condemned. Hold off a bit and make a solid one. *tips hat*

This won't be submitted until the new year anyway Ven, simply a drafting run here, lets be honest, this is actually omitting some of Cormac's work, it's not like he doesn't deserve one.

I support this condemnation, Cormac A Stark is the epitome of the career trouble-makers in NS.

This ^

As someone always needs to start shit, and get the flame-war going, I will be it:

Aba, you forgot to mention the fact that Cormac blatantly backstabbed the UDL...

Anddddddddddd BEGIN!!!!

I'm not touching this with a thousand foot pole

I considered this the other day, actually but naaa. I don't think he's quite condemn worthy yet.

I'd be inclined to disagree, but respect your right to think that way as a few others do.

Lets be honest here, some of the most overlooked nations in this game are ones that excel at what they do, and yet are still deemed to have not done "enough".

Considering the above is far from an exhaustive list of what Cormac has done, and considering how many people are aware of if not the exploits of Cormac A Stark, then at least the name, it begs the question, when does this council see fit to feel they have done enough? Where do we draw the line in the sand and say, ok, yeah you've accomplished x amount of misdeeds or in the case of commends, good deeds? What is the qualifier?

This was my case against the SC for a long time now, if nations have done enough to become well known in the international community, to have impacted gameplay on a large enough scale that it has either become reknoundly known as a detrimental nation or an inspiring/beneficial one, and there's enough their to support a really good effort at furthering gameplay, I'm inclined to side that this is the point where they have done enough (potentially) to be acknowledged by the powers that be.

Also kiwi, that rant wasn't specifically at you lol, just you were the last of the comments to make that comment lol

No offence taken Being commended or condemned has taken some nations the better part of half a decade to happen. Cormac is a well known character and at some point I suspect he will attain the level necessarily but I've spoken with others and they agree. What is necessary is a certain "gut feeling" among the WA that someone has done enough. There shouldn't be any doubt as far as I'm concerned. It should be well and truly clear.

Anyway I genuinely respect where you're coming from. Perhaps things should change. I look on with interest how others respond to this proposal.

[McMasterdonia]

I'm of the mind that when Cormac, Koth, and I are condemned that they should be damned good ones. We're logging down our names in the annals of history. Why go for one that people go, "Meh, I guess." When we could go for the "Hell yes, those bastards deserve it." So until I see a condemn worthy of my brother, I am against.

*toots Venico's horn*... I didn't think you were doing it enough for yourself

I think Cormac has done a lot that is "condemn" worthy and also a lot of positive things as well. Even though he has switched around a lot, when he is involved he puts his a lot of effort and passion into it. The number of times he has asked me to resign, I have lost count But I still consider him a friend and appreciate his dedication to the game and his passion to make gameplay more interesting.

[Abacathea]

Bumping as I've decided to re-open this one, minor tweaks made to include the current Abbaddon reference and some grammatical fixes

[SkyDip]

Mehhhhhhhh. While Cormac certainly has had a rather...erm, unique career path, all in all, he really hasn't done anything that impressive or noteworthy one way or the other.

[Abacathea]

Mehhhhhhhh. While Cormac certainly has had a rather...erm, unique career path, all in all, he really hasn't done anything that impressive or noteworthy one way or the other.

I always enjoy having you weight in 'Dip, you know I've a lot of time for you, but I just don't share that opinion man, sorry

[Shadow Afforess]

Mehhhhhhhh. While Cormac certainly has had a rather...erm, unique career path, all in all, he really hasn't done anything that impressive or noteworthy one way or the other.

I always enjoy having you weight in 'Dip, you know I've a lot of time for you, but I just don't share that opinion man, sorry

So how can we be certain that you aren't a Cormac puppet?