[PASSED] Right of Emigration

[Voltzenkrad]

Ok, now every citizen in my country has been afflicted with "Don't-want-to-jump-from-22km-in-the-sky" brain disease. This should effectively solve this problem. Now every citizen is mentally unstable, no one gets to commit suicide!

[The Distributed Republic of Papoon]

It's the primary reason I've been ignoring the desperate attempts by these authors to circumvent this act, the reality is if they're that desperate to circumvent this, they should just opt for non compliance really. So far the "loopholes" here are all covered under existing legislation as you've been pointing out.

Papoon's Delegate for International Bullshit would like to point out that the problems with the proposal as written are hardly due to character limitations.

Abacathea's proposal presumes a fair and just criminal system that is not dominated by state concerns. Obviously, nations with such systems are very unlikely to prohibit emigration. Those that do not have such systems can easily find a way to use this resolution's many loopholes to prevent their citizens from emigrating.

This is why Papoon's Delegate considers this to be a bullshit resolution. The bullshit is made even more fragrant and plushy by the fact that the two main problems facing the world today, in the field of migration, are nations that:

A) Prohibit or seriously restrict IMMIGRATION; and...

B) Conduct forced migration, expellin long-term residents beyond their borders.

The fact that Abacathea proposes a resolution that might have had some logic 50 years ago, at the height of totalitarianism, but which doesn't even begin to address the two main problems faced by the world today is what makes Abacathea a "bullshit speaker" in the eyes of Papoon's Delegate. Abacathea is obviously proposing this resolution to gain political brownie points, not because it really addresses some sort of huge global problem. Even if emigration bans were a huge global problem, this resolution certainly wouldn't do anything to resolve them.

But, as Papoon's delegate's job-description clearly statess, it is indeed her job to talk bullshit with foreigners. Even if it means she misses half of the albino dwarf lesbian mud-wrestling championships.

Sigh.

[Voltzenkrad]

It's the primary reason I've been ignoring the desperate attempts by these authors to circumvent this act, the reality is if they're that desperate to circumvent this, they should just opt for non compliance really. So far the "loopholes" here are all covered under existing legislation as you've been pointing out.

Papoon's Delegate for International Bullshit would like to point out that the problems with the proposal as written are hardly due to character limitations.

Abacathea's proposal presumes a fair and just criminal system that is not dominated by state concerns. Obviously, nations with such systems are very unlikely to prohibit emigration. Those that do not have such systems can easily find a way to use this resolution's many loopholes to prevent their citizens from emigrating.

This is why Papoon's Delegate considers this to be a bullshit resolution. The bullshit is made even more fragrant and plushy by the fact that the two main problems facing the world today, in the field of migration, are nations that:

A) Prohibit or seriously restrict IMMIGRATION; and...

B) Conduct forced migration, expellin long-term residents beyond their borders.

The fact that Abacathea proposes a resolution that might have had some logic 50 years ago, at the height of totalitarianism, but which doesn't even begin to address the two main problems faced by the world today is what makes Abacathea a "bullshit speaker" in the eyes of Papoon's Delegate. Abacathea is obviously proposing this resolution to gain political brownie points, not because it really addresses some sort of huge global problem. Even if emigration bans were a huge global problem, this resolution certainly wouldn't do anything to resolve them.

But, as Papoon's delegate's job-description clearly statess, it is indeed her job to talk bullshit with foreigners. Even if it means she misses half of the albino dwarf lesbian mud-wrestling championships.

Sigh.

Agreed. As our nations shouldn't have to go through meaningless loopholes and waste time, money, and other resources that my country cannot afford to waste.

This is truly a "feel-good" resolution. It doesn't do anything other than promote citizens be allowed to emigrate since countries such as mine can enforce false diseases, medical conditions, and crimes to deter the citizens from leaving, which only negatively affects our countries by wasting time and resources.

[Deterria]

Sure my people can leave... If they can pay for it.

All taxes in Deterria added up means that they are in infinite debt to the government and thus cannot leave as attempting to would be commiting a crime against the state and result in immediate execution of all perpetrators.

Ah... The system works.

[Separatist Peoples]

The number of nations voicing their oppressive policies and intentions shocks me. How can it possibly benefit any nation incapable of true totalitarian policies thanks to the work of the WA to keep dissident citizens within your borders? Would it not be simpler to be compliant and let the undesirables leave?

[Voltzenkrad]

The number of nations voicing their oppressive policies and intentions shocks me. How can it possibly benefit any nation incapable of true totalitarian policies thanks to the work of the WA to keep dissident citizens within your borders? Would it not be simpler to be compliant and let the undesirables leave?

I am not one of those oppressive nations. I simply do not wish for my citizens to be allowed to jump from 22 kilometers in the sky as we do not promote suicide here.

[Separatist Peoples]

The number of nations voicing their oppressive policies and intentions shocks me. How can it possibly benefit any nation incapable of true totalitarian policies thanks to the work of the WA to keep dissident citizens within your borders? Would it not be simpler to be compliant and let the undesirables leave?

I am not one of those oppressive nations. I simply do not wish for my citizens to be allowed to jump from 22 kilometers in the sky as we do not promote suicide here.

I suppose, that being your concern, you also allow air traffic to take your citizens safely from your airspace to another nation? Or is that heavily restricted for safety, as well?

[Deterria]

The number of nations voicing their oppressive policies and intentions shocks me. How can it possibly benefit any nation incapable of true totalitarian policies thanks to the work of the WA to keep dissident citizens within your borders? Would it not be simpler to be compliant and let the undesirables leave?

If we let them leave they could form terror groups and underground railroads.

And anyway, the undesireables are put in concentration camps to work for the good of the state. Just letting them leave would undermine our largest forced-labour division. Moreover, the slaves we use as a form of currency have to come from somewhere.

[Separatist Peoples]

The number of nations voicing their oppressive policies and intentions shocks me. How can it possibly benefit any nation incapable of true totalitarian policies thanks to the work of the WA to keep dissident citizens within your borders? Would it not be simpler to be compliant and let the undesirables leave?

If we let them leave they could form terror groups and underground railroads.

And anyway, the undesireables are put in concentration camps to work for the good of the state. Just letting them leave would undermine our largest forced-labour division. Moreover, the slaves we use as a form of currency have to come from somewhere.

Ambassador, you do realize that slavery is as against international law as detainment for reasons of race, political standing, gender, etc., correct? And that, technically, overt noncompliance is impossible?

[Deterria]

Ambassador, you do realize that slavery is as against international law as detainment for reasons of race, political standing, gender, etc., correct? And that, technically, overt noncompliance is impossible?

Then I pray you never read our Charter...

Aside from that Deterria will vote no on this resolution, as it opposes our traditional values.

[Pittsburgistan]

Great job sir.

[HEU 1]

The number of nations voicing their oppressive policies and intentions shocks me. How can it possibly benefit any nation incapable of true totalitarian policies thanks to the work of the WA to keep dissident citizens within your borders? Would it not be simpler to be compliant and let the undesirables leave?

There are very few dissidents, at least within HEU 1. The Overseer is against this resolution in an effort to both maintain the safety of our citizens (many of whom are unaware an outside world exists, let alone know of its dangers) and to preserve the one true purpose of this habitat: the Grand Experiment. That one purpose relies on a controlled environment and population. Without those two vital things, the entire 200 year history of the station has been for naught.

[The Republic of Lanos]

The proposal's exemptions are particularly shaky. Did anyone think of that?

[Luveria]

I have a question for those specialized in WA law.

If I sell, lets say a 500 meter length of land just before the border entirely around the country to a private megacorporation like LuvCorp, then because it is now LuvCorp's property, the state can contract LuvCorp to build a barbed wire fence and concrete wall on that land they purchased and if anyone attempts to cross it they can be detained by LuvCorp's security personnel for trespassing and charged with trespassing on private property. Is this a sound solution for legally stopping border runners?

[The Republic of Lanos]

I have a question for those specialized in WA law.

If I sell, lets say a 500 meter length of land just before the border entirely around the country to a private megacorporation like LuvCorp, then because it is now LuvCorp's property, the state can contract LuvCorp to build a barbed wire fence and concrete wall on that land they purchased and if anyone attempts to cross it they can be detained by LuvCorp's security personnel for trespassing and charged with trespassing on private property. Is this a sound solution for legally stopping border runners?

Couldn't the state do the policing instead and contract LuvCorp to build the wall instead?

[Luveria]

I have a question for those specialized in WA law.

If I sell, lets say a 500 meter length of land just before the border entirely around the country to a private megacorporation like LuvCorp, then because it is now LuvCorp's property, the state can contract LuvCorp to build a barbed wire fence and concrete wall on that land they purchased and if anyone attempts to cross it they can be detained by LuvCorp's security personnel for trespassing and charged with trespassing on private property. Is this a sound solution for legally stopping border runners?

Couldn't the state do the policing instead and contract LuvCorp to build the wall instead?

Yes, that's even better, and it is well within the expectations of a public police service to protect the rights of private property owners, which in this case means stopping and apprehending citizens illegally trespassing onto LuvCorp's property that entirely encircles the nation. In addition to that, in the vast majority of nations corporations do have the right to have their own private security personnel for detaining trespassers until the police arrive to take them away.

Having gone through the WA laws, if I'm not mistaken, this method of preventing people from crossing the border is entirely legal. As for citizens trying to cross over LuvCorp's property through airspace, there are no proposals prohibiting making the entire a country a no-fly zone for civilian aircraft.

Unless someone can point out any flaws with the above methods of entirely preventing emigration indirectly while emigration is still technically legal if impossible to achieve, then authoritarian regimes have nothing to worry about from this proposal.

[Separatist Peoples]

Couldn't the state do the policing instead and contract LuvCorp to build the wall instead?

Yes, that's even better, and it is well within the expectations of a public police service to protect the rights of private property owners, which in this case means stopping and apprehending citizens illegally trespassing onto LuvCorp's property that entirely encircles the nation. In addition to that, in the vast majority of nations corporations do have the right to have their own private security personnel for detaining trespassers until the police arrive to take them away.

Having gone through the WA laws, if I'm not mistaken, this method of preventing people from crossing the border is entirely legal. As for citizens trying to cross over LuvCorp's property through airspace, there are no proposals prohibiting making the entire a country a no-fly zone for civilian aircraft.

Unless someone can point out any flaws with the above methods of entirely preventing emigration indirectly while emigration is still technically legal if impossible to achieve, then authoritarian regimes have nothing to worry about from this proposal.

Good luck with that, because your civilian merchant air-fleet will be screwed. Not to mention tourism, but I somehow doubt that you rely terribly heavily on that...

[Luveria]

Yes, that's even better, and it is well within the expectations of a public police service to protect the rights of private property owners, which in this case means stopping and apprehending citizens illegally trespassing onto LuvCorp's property that entirely encircles the nation. In addition to that, in the vast majority of nations corporations do have the right to have their own private security personnel for detaining trespassers until the police arrive to take them away.

Having gone through the WA laws, if I'm not mistaken, this method of preventing people from crossing the border is entirely legal. As for citizens trying to cross over LuvCorp's property through airspace, there are no proposals prohibiting making the entire a country a no-fly zone for civilian aircraft.

Unless someone can point out any flaws with the above methods of entirely preventing emigration indirectly while emigration is still technically legal if impossible to achieve, then authoritarian regimes have nothing to worry about from this proposal.

Good luck with that, because your civilian merchant air-fleet will be screwed. Not to mention tourism, but I somehow doubt that you rely terribly heavily on that...

There is an NS issue that bans air travel, so it is not infeasible. The OP's proposal is flawed.

[Oaledonia]

The only reason I'm in the WA anymore is for regional control. Still, have fun with this clusterfuck. Not that I'll be following it... as usual...

[Luveria]

The only reason I'm in the WA anymore is for regional control. Still, have fun with this clusterfuck. Not that I'll be following it... as usual...

This is a ridiculous proposal because it doesn't actually force a country to allow emigration. As I pointed out, I will be selling to the private corporation of LuvCorp a 500 meters wide length of land going entirely around the country, and because that's private property it becomes a criminal act to trespass upon that walled and fenced zone belonging to LuvCorp. In addition to that, I will be heavily restricting air travel. If someone can find a way to emigrate around these indirect but effective measures preventing it, they are free to do so, but it won't happen.

If someone really wants to support the spirit of this bill, Right of Emigration, the proposal in its current form should be shot down. Since that won't happen it should be overturned when possible and replaced with a proposal that addresses these very easy ways to defeat the intention of the bill.

[Voltzenkrad]

I am not one of those oppressive nations. I simply do not wish for my citizens to be allowed to jump from 22 kilometers in the sky as we do not promote suicide here.

I suppose, that being your concern, you also allow air traffic to take your citizens safely from your airspace to another nation? Or is that heavily restricted for safety, as well?

Air traffic non-existent as we are a fast moving and massive object being propelled to quickly to allow any aerospace vehicles within the radius of being crushed or crashing into us.

[Voltzenkrad]

The number of nations voicing their oppressive policies and intentions shocks me. How can it possibly benefit any nation incapable of true totalitarian policies thanks to the work of the WA to keep dissident citizens within your borders? Would it not be simpler to be compliant and let the undesirables leave?

There are very few dissidents, at least within HEU 1. The Overseer is against this resolution in an effort to both maintain the safety of our citizens (many of whom are unaware an outside world exists, let alone know of its dangers) and to preserve the one true purpose of this habitat: the Grand Experiment. That one purpose relies on a controlled environment and population. Without those two vital things, the entire 200 year history of the station has been for naught.

Yes, with such cases as our countries where emigration would be allowed it would completely destroy us in our very nature.

[The Flood]

Breathing is now a criminal offence in the Flood, the punishment for which is not being allowed to leave the Flood.

[Separatist Peoples]

Breathing is now a criminal offence in the Flood, the punishment for which is not being allowed to leave the Flood.

Is it your goal to be unpleasant around the rest of us whenever something in the WA passes, despite membership being entirely optional?

Our hearty congratulations to the author for a job well done. Chalk another mark up for the good guys.

[Bananaistan]

The Republic of Bananaistan greatly admires the World Assembly Compliance Commission. They do such a good job that many ambassadors don't even realise that their countries' laws are automatically changed to abide by WA resolutions. We salute you ... eh ... gallant legislators!

Any non-tinpot or non-lunatic government will be pleased that this proposal passed.