[Defeated] Repeal "Liberate NAZI EUROPE"

[DWAsnia]

Repeal SC #109 "Liberate NAZI EUROPE"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation
Category: Repeal| Resolution: SC #109| Proposed by: Dwasnia

Description: WA Security Council Resolution #109: Liberate NAZI EUROPE shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: The Security Council,

SADDENED at the intent of SC #109, which was to intentionally destroy the region through the malevolent application of a "Liberation" resolution, a gross misuse of the Security Council's power

CONCERNED that SC #109 has set a precedent in which the Security Council may use its immense power to destroy any region with a differing ideology.

HORRIFIED the Security Council has used a "Liberation, "a way of combating region destruction", for the purposes of destroying NAZI EUROPE, a blatant disregard and disgusting abuse of the powers of the Security Council and conflicts with its goals of bringing peace and goodwill to the world.

REALIZING the Liberation of NAZI EUROPE was passed with the intention of it being being used as a weapon to destroy the region, painting the international community in a poor light, and seeking to ensure this is not the image the Security Council puts forth.

HEREBY Repeals SC #109: Liberate NAZI EUROPE.

SC #109: "Liberate NAZI EUROPE"

Repeal SC #109 "Liberate NAZI EUROPE"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation
Category: Repeal| Resolution: SC #109| Proposed by: Dwasnia

Description: WA Security Council Resolution #109: Liberate NAZI EUROPE shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: The Security Council,

SADDENED at the intent of SC #109

TERRIFIED that SC #109 has set a precedent in which the Security Council may use its immense power to destroy any region with a differing ideology including, but not limited to "Nazism."

HORRIFIED the Security Council has used its power to attempt to destroy NAZI EUROPE under the guise of SC #109 Liberate NAZI EUROPE.

CONCERNED with the intolerance displayed by the international community towards other regions with a similar ideology, such as The Greater German Reich which was targeted recently by a failed "Liberation."

REALIZING the Liberation of NAZI EUROPE was passed with the intention of it being being used as a weapon to destroy the region, which further demonstrates the intolerance displayed by the international community.

NOTING NAZI EUROPE has yet to fall after the passage of SC #109, showing the ineffectiveness of the resolution.

HEREBY Repeals SC #109: Liberate NAZI EUROPE.

[Abacathea]

If I may?

SADDENED at the intent of SC #109

I know you intend to go further into the reasoning, but maybe a brief synopsis of what the actual intent was, for those who may not bother to go looking themselves.

TERRIFIED that SC #109 has set a precedent in which the Security Council may use its immense power to destroy any region with a differing ideology including, but not limited to "Nazism."

If I may suggest a change here, Concerned in my opinion would work better than terrified, terrified just seems out of place here.

HORRIFIED the Security Council has used its power to attempt to destroy NAZI EUROPE under the guise of SC #109 Liberate NAZI EUROPE.

As this is certainly going to be the crux of your argument I'd strengthen this. Perhaps something along the lines of;

Horrified the Security Council has used a Liberation, a resolution designed to save and preserve a region for the purposes of destroying a region showing a blatant misuse and disregard for the powers of the Security Council.

REALIZING the Liberation of NAZI EUROPE was passed with the intention of it being being used as a weapon to destroy the region, which further demonstrates the intolerance displayed by the international community.

This to me seems like a sentence that would alienate voters (those who actually read the entire text). Maybe soften it up slightly.

REALIZING the Liberation of NAZI EUROPE was passed with the intention of it being being used as a weapon to destroy the region, painting the international community in a poor light, and seeking to ensure this is not the image the Security Council puts forth

Just my thoughts on the matter,

You have my support either way, best of luck going forth!

[The Black Hat Guy]

Looks good to me. The Security Council should not be used to destroy regions based on their ideology.

[DWAsnia]

I'd like to thank the delegations ftom Abacthea and The Black Hat Guy. The advice given is good, but I'll postpone editing the bil. until a bit more input is received

[Abacathea]

Looks good to me. The Security Council should not be used to destroy regions based on their ideology.

This.

I'd like to thank the delegations ftom Abacthea and The Black Hat Guy. The advice given is good, but I'll postpone editing the bil. until a bit more input is received

Not a problem, happy to try and help.

[Unibot III]

Stick away from the troublesome "intolerance" debate and focus on what's been wronged here: The Liberation Category was misused. It was supposed to be used to spread peace and goodwill -- it wasn't.

SADDENED at the intent of SC #109

TERRIFIED CONCERNED that SC #109 has set a precedent in which the Security Council may use its powers to aid in the destruction of any region.

HORRIFIED the Security Council has used its power to attempt to destroy NAZI EUROPE under the guise of SC #109 Liberate NAZI EUROPE.

CONCERNED with the intolerance displayed by the international community towards other regions with a similar ideology, such as The Greater German Reich which was targeted recently by a failed "Liberation."

UNDERSTANDING the Liberation of NAZI EUROPE was passed with the intention of it being being used as a weapon to destroy the region, which conflicts with The Security Council's founding principles as an institution of peace and goodwill.

NOTING NAZI EUROPE has yet to fall after the passage of SC #109, showing the ineffectiveness of the resolution.

HEREBY Repeals SC #109: Liberate NAZI EUROPE.

[Whamabama]

One thing that seems to be missing is the fact that Nazi Europe with the liberation in place had/has to decide whether they want to go out and take other regions in their name which would leave their own region vulnerable to attack themselves. Or they could stay at home, and also some of their allies to stay over to keep them safe.

It has worked out beautifully so far. They were before this resolution destroying other regions, while hiding behind their password. That was put to a stop.

Quite frankly a very good use of the liberation resolution. (not that there a such thing as "misuse" of the resolution type.)

[Feux]

I am firmly against for reasons.

And Wham as an excellent point.

[Super-Llamaland]

Just wondering, but how exactly did the liberation hurt NAZI EUROPE?

[Evil Wolf]

The Liberation Category was misused. It was supposed to be used to spread peace and goodwill -- it wasn't.

"Peace and goodwill" does not equal some far-flung extremist Defender agenda where all Invasions are bad, even if the receiving party truly deserve it.

The Liberate was used correctly and the act is justifiable.

Just wondering, but how exactly did the liberation hurt NAZI EUROPE?

Other than a few attempted raids, all of which failed, it hasn't. If anything it actually made them stronger and more unified.

[Unibot III]

One thing that seems to be missing is the fact that Nazi Europe with the liberation in place had/has to decide whether they want to go out and take other regions in their name which would leave their own region vulnerable to attack themselves. Or they could stay at home, and also some of their allies to stay over to keep them safe.

It has worked out beautifully so far. They were before this resolution destroying other regions, while hiding behind their password. That was put to a stop.

Quite frankly a very good use of the liberation resolution. (not that there a such thing as "misuse" of the resolution type.)

Erm, not exactly. Nazis were much more active on the battlefield after the Liberation provoked the community and gave propaganda fodder for Woodhouse to accumulate a much larger Nazi army.

[Evil Wolf]

Erm, not exactly. Nazis were much more active on the battlefield after the Liberation provoked the community and gave propaganda fodder for Woodhouse to accumulate a much larger Nazi army.

So your solution would be to repeal the Liberate and completely deprive the NS Community their opportunity to strike back? If Nazi Europe is successfully invaded, that larger Nazi army will be preoccupied by trying to get it back, they've developed a bit of an obsession with keeping it. In fact, I'm willing to put good money down that NE would have already been taken if it hadn't been for UDL interference. You only have yourself to blame for their success, Unibot.

[Terravoss]

I'm willing to put good money down that NE would have already been taken if it hadn't been for UDL interference.

Typical response. When all else fails blame the UDL right? After all they are cause of so much misery in Nationstates. The only reason the liberation passed in the first place was due to vote stacking by the Pacifics. It was a joke really. If 99.9% of the people who actually vote on things took the time to read past the word NAZI, they would have seen through that farce for what it really was.

Needless to say, I support this repeal wholeheartedly.

[Evil Wolf]

Uh, UDL has actively participated in stopping attempts against Nazi Europe via intentionally leaking information to the NE Delegate waring of upcoming attacks and even committed troops to protect the Nazis. Hard not to blame them for those attempts being unsuccessful, in fact, its pretty justifiable to blame them.

[Terravoss]

Uh, UDL has actively participated in stopping attempts against Nazi Europe via intentionally leaking information to the NE Delegate waring of upcoming attacks and even committed troops to protect the Nazis. Hard not to blame them for those attempts being unsuccessful, in fact, its pretty justifiable to blame them.

So let me get this straight for the record here... You are going to condemn NAZI Europe to hell for being a raider organization? I am guessing Lone Wolves United is a bastion of peace and democracy, that would never invade another region right? Hypocritical much?

[Evil Wolf]

Even evil has its standards.

[Terravoss]

Even evil has its standards.

And what standards would those be, do pray tell??

[Evil Wolf]

Not being a strong supporter of the Nazi ideology is a good start.

[Terravoss]

Not being a strong supporter of the Nazi ideology is a good start.

Who says they are? Sometimes a name is just a name you know.

[Evil Wolf]

Haven't looked much at their website, I take it?

[Terravoss]

Haven't looked much at their website, I take it?

Because roleplay has never existed on Nationstates has it? Do you see them travelling around to regions gassing jews, and spreading hate speech? Neither do I. Did they before the liberation? Didn't think so. If a website is all you have to justify a liberation, then that just proves how fucking pathetic the resolution was in the first place, now doesn't it? What say we liberate your region, and you let your founder nation go inactive. Then come back and make an argument that liberating a region for the fun of it is all it is cracked up to be mmkay.

[Evil Wolf]

Right. "Role Play".

[DWAsnia]

It's late so I won't be able to make a long post, but I'll be answering everything tomorrow afternoon.

EW, Terravoss: Could you possibly not be so rude to each other (but I don't mind the debate)

[Wheeled States of Bifid]

The Liberation Category was misused. It was supposed to be used to spread peace and goodwill -- it wasn't.

"Peace and goodwill" does not equal some far-flung extremist Defender agenda where all Invasions are bad, even if the receiving party truly deserve it.

The Liberate was used correctly and the act is justifiable.

Just wondering, but how exactly did the liberation hurt NAZI EUROPE?

Other than a few attempted raids, all of which failed, it hasn't. If anything it actually made them stronger and more unified.

In regards to the highlighted part, Bollocks! This whole farce was about using the Security Council as a weapon because of one flaming word in their name. If they were named "The Brotherhood of Shiny Happy People" I suspect that they could have taken half of the regions in NS and the supporters of this "liberation" wouldn't say jack about it.

[Terravoss]

Right. "Role Play".

So once again for the record here... You are using an offsite form to justify a bullshit liberation, that has absolutely nothing to do with the game itself? And people wonder why the liberation of the GGR failed (a resolution that your argument would have actually supported)? People finally wised up. Doesn't matter anyway. This whole process is a waste of time. The Pacific's will vote stack against it out of the gate, the sheeple will just follow along, and the Security Council will continue to be the biggest ongoing joke that there ever was.