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Postby The Bruce » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:20 am

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I am a fan neither of Todd, Topid or this awful proposal, but I just can't get over the sniveling, elitist tenor of this argument, which holds not only that only delegates should be awarded commendations, but delegates who have served since your day, like Kandarin. If you wish only to vote in favor of C&Cs for old fossils like yourself, that's your right, but it may surprise you to note that numerous players, some of whom might never have heard of the Farkers, are perfectly capable of making contributions to the game -- nay, "outstanding contributions" -- even those who have never been elected a Regional Delegate.


I’d like to think that the WA is a place that is an exchange of perspectives, rather than an exchange of YOU’RE WRONG, BECAUSE YOU DON’T THINK LIKE I DO, but I may be mistaken. Also, if this is how NS Fossils are treated, when posting in the Security Council, it’s little wonder so few participate here. You, Omigodtheykilledkenny, despite your unnecessary rudeness, are exactly the kind of nation I would support a commendation for, owing to your body of work in both the UN and WA. I’m also guessing that in getting so many of your resolutions passed, you used slightly more diplomacy than I just witnessed from you. When those private NS censuses on game impact/popularity were distributed, I was critical of them for neglecting the role of WA lawmakers, community builders, top forum posters, and highly ranked nations in the World Census Reports; because there really is so much more to NationStates than delegacies and fighting over them.

This resolution is worded as a legacy commendation. If you’re going to claim a legacy for your work as the delegate of a feeder, I’d like to think that having at least a year in that delegate position would be a good baseline, or you’ll be setting the bar pretty low and may as well commend every delegate who has ever been a feeder delegate, no matter how short a time. I’m pretty certain that, barring RL interference, Todd McCloud will remain as delegate for some time. And once some of that time has past, say a year, then it would be more appropriate to claim a legacy for their work as a feeder delegate.

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Postby Philimbesi » Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:02 am

Nigel pulls out his handy dandy, WeCouldCareLessAboutC&C's Invader/Defender/Character/Player/Nation Edition 2.0 cheat sheet.

No mention of nazi's +50
No mention of salad dressing +50
+25 for the cunning use of the best Doctor Who ever on Todd's flag.
-25 because he regenerated.
-25 for no mention of penguins
-25 for no mention of nazi zombies
-50 for 5 uses of the words defender/raider (10 each) all forms.
- 30 for co-authors listed. (10 each)
- 10 because the ALSO RECOGNIZING clause is 3 clauses from the RECOGNIZING clause

A close vote, but with an over all score of -15 on the , WeCouldCareLessAboutC&C's Invader/Defender/Character/Player/Nation Edition 2.0 scoring system, we must vote AGAINST
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Postby Topid » Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:31 am

The Bruce wrote:I'd seen you in some sketchy regions, not in the capacity of defending, while speaking out against certain defender groups. It can make it difficult to ascertain which side you represent, without more information.

:unsure: Which region?
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Postby A mean old man » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:32 am

Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:
A mean old man wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:Topid is actually a defender too


Nay. He's a defender symathizer, as he's in the WA, but doesn't actually do any defending. The same can be said for Unibot.


I prefer defender synthesizer. I imitate defender sounds, but am really just a box which talks. ;)


I just noticed I missed the 'p' in sympathizer.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:54 am

The Bruce wrote:You, Omigodtheykilledkenny, despite your unnecessary rudeness, are exactly the kind of nation I would support a commendation for, owing to your body of work in both the UN and WA. I’m also guessing that in getting so many of your resolutions passed, you used slightly more diplomacy than I just witnessed from you. When those private NS censuses on game impact/popularity were distributed, I was critical of them for neglecting the role of WA lawmakers, community builders, top forum posters, and highly ranked nations in the World Census Reports; because there really is so much more to NationStates than delegacies and fighting over them.

You're right on that; I'll give you that one. It's only that the tone of your argument was curious, in that you ignored everything in it except Todd's delegacy, and contended he doesn't deserve recognition because he hasn't been delegate for some arbitrary term of months or years. It's still a very weak argument, and somewhat elitist.
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:57 am

Too much OOC, bear, too much OOC...
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Postby A mean old man » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:37 pm

Bears Armed wrote:Too much OOC, bear, too much OOC...


That's called the Security Council.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby The Magic Spirit » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:44 pm

Again a useless resolution at vote. Commending Todd McCloud would do nothing to improve security in WA regions and member nations. The resolution itself describes a lot, but no actual achievements worthy of recognition (against raiding? so are others. written commendations? not an achievement).

I hereby represent my nations disgust for this time-wasting and vote AGAINST the resolution and recommend others do the same. Commendations and Condemnations clog up the voting system, making it harder for law-making resolutions to be voted upon. Less than half the resolutions in the past two weeks have been about actual issues.

This HAS to stop.

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Postby The Magic Spirit » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:48 pm

Gauntleted Fist wrote:
Mikeswill wrote:Again: These Condemn & Commend Resolutions are mostly a popularity contest and a waste of the World Assembly’s time. Although Todd McCloud has worn numerous masks as a Raider, Defender, and Delegate, it is not the Business of the World Assembly to Honour Nations.
It is absolutely the business of the World Assembly Security Council to commend and condemn nations and regions, as well as to liberate regions. That is, quite literally, the purpose of its existence.
That is assuming it should exist in the first place which is a wrong assumption. I have yet to see a resolution pass through this council that improves security to our WA nations.

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Postby The Magic Spirit » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:06 pm

Mad Sheep Railgun wrote:I don't have a horse in this race and since I don't have a WA nation at present I won't be voting one way or the other. Quit being so hyper-sensitive. 99% of the voters don't read these At Vote threads anyway.
That's like voting by flipping a coin. Why are such people even allowed to decide what happens in WA member nations. If you want to vote on WA and SC resolutions, you should read what you're voting on.

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Postby Topid » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:09 pm

The Magic Spirit wrote:
Gauntleted Fist wrote:
Mikeswill wrote:Again: These Condemn & Commend Resolutions are mostly a popularity contest and a waste of the World Assembly’s time. Although Todd McCloud has worn numerous masks as a Raider, Defender, and Delegate, it is not the Business of the World Assembly to Honour Nations.
It is absolutely the business of the World Assembly Security Council to commend and condemn nations and regions, as well as to liberate regions. That is, quite literally, the purpose of its existence.
That is assuming it should exist in the first place which is a wrong assumption. I have yet to see a resolution pass through this council that improves security to our WA nations.
Max said the WA should commend/condemn. Done. It has that power, right, and responsiblity.
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Postby Enn » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:29 pm

In light of the stalemated debate back home, the International Democratic Union will ABSTAIN from this vote.

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Postby Golgoglot » Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:44 pm

Philimbesi wrote:Nigel pulls out his handy dandy, WeCouldCareLessAboutC&C's Invader/Defender/Character/Player/Nation Edition 2.0 cheat sheet.

No mention of nazi's +50
No mention of salad dressing +50
+25 for the cunning use of the best Doctor Who ever on Todd's flag.
-25 because he regenerated.
-25 for no mention of penguins
-25 for no mention of nazi zombies
-50 for 5 uses of the words defender/raider (10 each) all forms.
- 30 for co-authors listed. (10 each)
- 10 because the ALSO RECOGNIZING clause is 3 clauses from the RECOGNIZING clause

A close vote, but with an over all score of -15 on the , WeCouldCareLessAboutC&C's Invader/Defender/Character/Player/Nation Edition 2.0 scoring system, we must vote AGAINST


Let it be known to the entirety of the SC that Golgoglot abides by Philimbesi's WeCouldCareLessAboutC&C's Invader/Defender/Character/Player/Nation Edition 2.0 scoring system, and we readily defer to its infinite and unquestionable wisdom whenever it graces us with its holy presence.

[OOC: No, seriously.]

Thus, we must vote against this Commendation.
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Postby Metania » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:08 am

DISGUSTED with the constant mentions of raiders/defenders in condemn and commend resolutions,

BORED with the antics of those who support/oppose the various sides,

We of Metana vote AGAINST this unnecessary continuation of the raider/defender rhetoric.
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Postby Travancore-Cochin » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:07 am

The Magic Spirit wrote:I hereby represent my nations disgust for this time-wasting and vote AGAINST the resolution and recommend others do the same. Commendations and Condemnations clog up the voting system, making it harder for law-making resolutions to be voted upon. Less than half the resolutions in the past two weeks have been about actual issues.

This HAS to stop.

AGAIN I tell you, take your grievance to the GA.

The fact that we've had a close succession of SC resolutions at vote lately is because people in the GA have been slacking off. Even at this moment as I speak, there's not one proposal from the GA that's anywhere near quorum.

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Postby Enn » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:12 am

Travancore-Cochin wrote:
The Magic Spirit wrote:I hereby represent my nations disgust for this time-wasting and vote AGAINST the resolution and recommend others do the same. Commendations and Condemnations clog up the voting system, making it harder for law-making resolutions to be voted upon. Less than half the resolutions in the past two weeks have been about actual issues.

This HAS to stop.

AGAIN I tell you, take your grievance to the GA.

The fact that we've had a close succession of SC resolutions at vote lately is because people in the GA have been slacking off. Even at this moment as I speak, there's not one proposal from the GA that's anywhere near quorum.

OOC: Fair go, we're coming up to a four-day weekend down here in Oz (can't say for the rest of the world). Just cause the SC wants to be busy during the holidays doesn't mean you have to drag the GA in. Unless you're intending to pay the poor ambassadors their double-time-and-a-half?
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Postby Travancore-Cochin » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:19 am

Enn wrote:OOC: Fair go, we're coming up to a four-day weekend down here in Oz (can't say for the rest of the world). Just cause the SC wants to be busy during the holidays doesn't mean you have to drag the GA in. Unless you're intending to pay the poor ambassadors their double-time-and-a-half?

I don't want to drag the GA in; but it's equally unfair to complain about SC resolutions coming to vote, and then claiming that they're "making it harder for law-making resolutions to be voted upon" (which is happening because there aren't quorate GA proposals in the queue).
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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:21 am

Travancore-Cochin wrote:
The Magic Spirit wrote:I hereby represent my nations disgust for this time-wasting and vote AGAINST the resolution and recommend others do the same. Commendations and Condemnations clog up the voting system, making it harder for law-making resolutions to be voted upon. Less than half the resolutions in the past two weeks have been about actual issues.

This HAS to stop.

AGAIN I tell you, take your grievance to the GA.

The fact that we've had a close succession of SC resolutions at vote lately is because people in the GA have been slacking off. Even at this moment as I speak, there's not one proposal from the GA that's anywhere near quorum.

That's because the GA is a lot better than the SC at filtering out the crap before submission... :p
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Postby Philimbesi » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:31 am

That's because the GA is a lot better than the SC at filtering out the crap before submission..


The presence of relatively clear cut rules helps with this.
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Postby Travancore-Cochin » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:50 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Travancore-Cochin wrote:
The Magic Spirit wrote:I hereby represent my nations disgust for this time-wasting and vote AGAINST the resolution and recommend others do the same. Commendations and Condemnations clog up the voting system, making it harder for law-making resolutions to be voted upon. Less than half the resolutions in the past two weeks have been about actual issues.

This HAS to stop.

AGAIN I tell you, take your grievance to the GA.

The fact that we've had a close succession of SC resolutions at vote lately is because people in the GA have been slacking off. Even at this moment as I speak, there's not one proposal from the GA that's anywhere near quorum.

That's because the GA is a lot better than the SC at filtering out the crap before submission... :p


But.. but.. regions have the same delegates, regardless of the chamber! :(

[serious]
Forget the crap, I don't see even a half decent proposal in the list at all.
[/serious]

Yes, it seems that I've contracted some of your underscoring tendencies. :p
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:46 pm

At 1700 GMT, the Security Council resolution Commend Todd McCloud was passed 3,298 votes to 1,649. Well done, Topid and Todd McCloud, although the honored ambassador to Charlotte Ryberg would find less nation tags a bit more appealing.

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Postby Topid » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:35 pm

Thank you everyone, congratulations Todd! You deserve it.
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Postby Unibot » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:39 pm

Enn wrote:
Travancore-Cochin wrote:
The Magic Spirit wrote:I hereby represent my nations disgust for this time-wasting and vote AGAINST the resolution and recommend others do the same. Commendations and Condemnations clog up the voting system, making it harder for law-making resolutions to be voted upon. Less than half the resolutions in the past two weeks have been about actual issues.

This HAS to stop.

AGAIN I tell you, take your grievance to the GA.

The fact that we've had a close succession of SC resolutions at vote lately is because people in the GA have been slacking off. Even at this moment as I speak, there's not one proposal from the GA that's anywhere near quorum.

OOC: Fair go, we're coming up to a four-day weekend down here in Oz (can't say for the rest of the world). Just cause the SC wants to be busy during the holidays doesn't mean you have to drag the GA in. Unless you're intending to pay the poor ambassadors their double-time-and-a-half?


Alas, duty calls in Utopia. Time waits for no liberation.

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Postby Topid » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:45 pm

Unibot wrote:
Enn wrote:
Travancore-Cochin wrote:
The Magic Spirit wrote:I hereby represent my nations disgust for this time-wasting and vote AGAINST the resolution and recommend others do the same. Commendations and Condemnations clog up the voting system, making it harder for law-making resolutions to be voted upon. Less than half the resolutions in the past two weeks have been about actual issues.

This HAS to stop.

AGAIN I tell you, take your grievance to the GA.

The fact that we've had a close succession of SC resolutions at vote lately is because people in the GA have been slacking off. Even at this moment as I speak, there's not one proposal from the GA that's anywhere near quorum.

OOC: Fair go, we're coming up to a four-day weekend down here in Oz (can't say for the rest of the world). Just cause the SC wants to be busy during the holidays doesn't mean you have to drag the GA in. Unless you're intending to pay the poor ambassadors their double-time-and-a-half?


Alas, duty calls in Utopia. Time waits for no liberation.

What is ironic about the statement he is making is:
GA: "No fair! You getting to many turnz!!! We want to pass useless crap now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"
SC: "Sure go ahead, you can go next if you want."
GA: "Weeeeeeeeeell, it's the holidays, and I don't want to anything NOW... I just don't want you to do anything either so that it's fair."

After going through a dozen AT VOTES with GAers complaining we got a turn, I think I'll start making some appearances in GA threads... >:(
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Postby Mad Sheep Railgun » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:48 pm

Topid wrote:After going through a dozen AT VOTES with GAers complaining we got a turn, I think I'll start making some appearances in GA threads... >:(


Go right ahead, I'll prepare the welcoming committee. :rofl:
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