[DEFEATED] Repeal ''Condemn Macedon''

[Frisbeeteria]

Description: WA Security Council Resolution #1: Condemn Macedon shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: The Security Council:

RECOGNIZING the attempt made by the resolution to black mark the former invader region of Macedon.

ACKNOWLEDGES that the resolution meant well, as the region of Macedon did conduct numerous raids on weaker regions.

HOWEVER must highlight that the region of Macedon is no longer in the same level of power it formerly held, therefore no longer capable of inflicting the harm it used to be able to conduct. With that in mind, this repeal questions what benefits the resolution can serve in the modern day WA and to its members apart from monumental purposes.

REMINDS the esteemed council that the WA takes the notion of passing 'Condemnations' and 'Commendations' seriously and not as trophy items.

RESPECTS the resolution's status as being the first passed bill of the Security Council.

THOUGH must highlight the resolution's absurdity especially with regards to its hatred of ''bold orange text with blue accents on every colony's world factbook entry''. Such subjective statements have no political relevance worthy of a serious condemnation.

HEREBY REPEALS ''Condemn Macedon''.

[Charax]

I haven't even read this, it won't happen. This could be the best thing ever, but the SC Community will never let it pass.

Sorry mate.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

I haven't even read this, it won't happen. This could be the best thing ever, but the SC Community will never let it pass.

Sorry mate.

Does it not make a solid argument?

[Bodobol]

I'd try again after Macedon relinquishes control over the multiple other regions it currently holds.

[Charax]

I haven't even read this, it won't happen. This could be the best thing ever, but the SC Community will never let it pass.

Sorry mate.

Does it not make a solid argument?

It does, as did the various other versions of this proposal that came before it and were shot down.

[Frattastan II]

Macedon, even if inactive, still controls many regions named after real-life nations (Finland, Bulgaria, Brazil, Pakistan, Colombia, Venezuela, Turkey, Hungary, to name a few, but they should be ~ 30 or so).

Due to their name all these regions could keep attracting new players, even long after their original natives ceased to exist, and be home to peaceful communities. Instead, delegate access to regional controls is blocked, the WFE degraded to mere advertisement board for the 'Macedonian Empire', any attempts at community-building on part of interested newcomers stifled and the regions kept as uninviting wastelands. And that's still happening.
The fact Macedon is completely inactive only makes it worse.

The methods used to acquire the colonies relied on exploiting a flawed Influence system with sleeper nations that did nothing beyond sitting in regions for a year, before suddenly seizing the Delegacy and installing a password after one or two updates. It could happen that regions with vibrant communities and years of history were shut down in a day, with no possibility of resistance.
And that's without considering stories about more questionable and creepy means to obtain regions (Bulgaria), which I chose not to believe...

Their reason for doing it? National pride. They cared little about the game, its players, its conflicts.
Collecting a region name after the other was the only thing that mattered.

An awful griefer group. The Condemnation should stand.

[Whamabama]

Just to add to Fratt's point, as he is right on with his post.

The only reason they are "inactive" now, is the new liberation resolution that went into effect shortly after they took Belgium. SC resolution 4 was the first liberation resolution to liberate the region from Macedon. From that point, they knew there tactic wasn't as foolproof as it once was.

Also why should we repeal this resolution? Macedon has not shown remorse for there actions that got them the condemnation, they have not issued an apology regarding their actions.

This resolution should stay, because their actions were deplorable, and they have made no attempt to correct, not to make amends.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

Well it seems that someone is so afraid of this resolution being voted on by the assembly, that they're campaigning against it...

I say let the people decide, it was already in queue.

[Frattastan II]

I am indeed afraid that a misleading proposal which ignores the fact that a significant number of regions is still under Macedonian oppression and glosses over Macedon's actions (treating them just like another raider group) could go to vote and pass because of pretty wording, apathy, or ignorance about the subject.

Or, at best, waste four days of our time.

[Famicon]

Why do noobs who want a badge always pick this one to repeal? Can't they go back to repealing liberations that the natives still want?

[Solorni]

I'm against this.

[Bodobol]

Well it seems that someone is so afraid of this resolution being voted on by the assembly, that they're campaigning against it...

I say let the people decide, it was already in queue.

We're not 'afraid', we just don't like the concept of a misleading resolution potentially being passed by the World Assembly, and we're voicing our opinions- it's part of this subforum.

If this passes, I'll be drafting a replacement condemnation.

[Todd McCloud]

I highly doubt this region considers this condemnation a "trophy" when they already maintain about 40-50 trophies as regions. And these aren't just no-name regions as someone pointed out, they're regions that I would assume get a lot of face-time among new players. Indeed, their tactics of taking over regions (Belgium and Greece come to mind, maybe France? Can't remember) more or less died out with the inclusion of liberations (and when their comrades in Mencer sorta died off), but unfortunately, for the rest of the regions they've taken, their fate remains sealed. Heck, regions like Hungary, Belarus, and Moldova have been under their control for nearly ten years now, longer than I've been a player. For some of the "younger" regions under their control, their story is different.

[ooc]Case in point Bulgaria. A few (few) of you might remember a small group called the National Slavic Alliance. Probably not. Well, I founded that group prior to "moving out" of the region Poland. Our main task was getting back "nation-regions" and protecting those who had not fallen under imperialistic control. One such region was Bulgaria, where I happened to know their founder. Anyway, the story goes she dated one of them and established a relationship. She invited him to her house. While she was away from her computer, he took her password. He then broke up with her and refounded Bulgaria for the Macedonian Empire.

Sound crazy? It kind of is, but then again, this steadfast and radical nationalism that has been pumped into their particular region for quite some time might fuel this desire to maintain a dormant empire for so long. [/ooc]

There are countless stories of abuse and malice done by this group that have unfortunately been lost to the sands of NS time. So yeah, maybe the wordage is a bit off for it being the first condemnation, but in my opinion, this is a deserved condemnation.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

Well it seems that someone is so afraid of this resolution being voted on by the assembly, that they're campaigning against it...

I say let the people decide, it was already in queue.

We're not 'afraid', we just don't like the concept of a misleading resolution potentially being passed by the World Assembly, and we're voicing our opinions- it's part of this subforum.

If this passes, I'll be drafting a replacement condemnation.

That is what I'm indirectly aiming for, a better worded Condemnation to replace the current one, and I do hopefully expect to see one soon.

[Eist]

Really? Quorum? sha dfgkhd;kgf When they lose control over the dozens if not hundreds of regions they currently occupy, then I'll consider it. Until then, this is a big fat NAY from me.

[Karputsk]

Judging by the wording of the proposal I'd say that's rubbish.

[Bears Armed]

Why do noobs who want a badge always pick this one to repeal?

They're starting at the beginning of the list?

I highly doubt this region considers this condemnation a "trophy" when they already maintain about 40-50 trophies as regions. And these aren't just no-name regions as someone pointed out, they're regions that I would assume get a lot of face-time among new players. Indeed, their tactics of taking over regions (Belgium and Greece come to mind, maybe France? Can't remember)

I think France too, yes.

That is what I'm indirectly aiming for, a better worded Condemnation to replace the current one, and I do hopefully expect to see one soon.

You might find support for this repeal higher if you wait until a good prospective replacment has already been drafted.

[Todd McCloud]

Thanks, Bears Armed. I thought France was invovled.

If this repeal even gets close to passing, I'd be happy to provide logs back from when I used to speak to the Macedons about why they act as they do, why they take nations, and what reasons they have for doing so. I'll just say it's definitely condemnable, both in-game and out of game.

[Charax]

In case anyone was interested, I've dredged up an old IRL map that shows regions named after IRL countries that have been under Macedonian Influence in the past.

[Frattastan II]

With the exception of France (where TITO managed to snatch the refound), Greece, Ireland, the other nation-regions displayed on the map should still be under Macedonian possession.

[Unibot III]

Thanks, Bears Armed. I thought France was invovled

France was actually saved by TITO -- but there are still a good number of Macedonian colonies out there. I still get a telegram from Brazillians every few months asking if I can help them free Brazil.

I'm against this resolution, as the phrase goes, with all my lil' heart.

[The Saint James Islands]

I know everyone else has already given every reason you could possibly have to oppose, but I still must say that I am OPPOSED.

[Zarkanians]

The bill presented many reasons that a condemnation would not pass today, but it presented no reasons that such a condemnation should be repealed--there were no mentions of meritorious actions performed by Macedon since; all the proposal said was "Well, it used to be bad, but now it's not really important enough to be bad, so... Yeah."
The worst part of this was that the proposal implied that leaving a condemnation for a nation which had done bad things in the past, and has not since redeemed itself, would be taking the condemnation system lightly.

AGAINST.

[The Black Hat Guy]

Voted AGAINST. Macedon is still alive and active, and to be honest I don't see why people feel the need to repeal condemnations once the nation involved has left the spotlight.

It looks like this has been quite sufficiently vote stacked against, between Cerb, Fratt, and me.

[DWAsnia]

Voted AGAINST. Macedon is still alive and active, and to be honest I don't see why people feel the need to repeal condemnations once the nation involved has left the spotlight.

It looks like this has been quite sufficiently vote stacked against, between Cerb, Fratt, and me.

Usually I'm for for repeals, but not this one. I'm glad to be able to help vote stack AGAINST this bill.