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by Imperializt Russia » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:33 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by The Dark Star Republic » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:38 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:*note the IC note in "tiny" font text when I mentioned Russia - and that I am them, I should update this account's sig*
Well, this is part of what the Act stipulates. States that feel they can deal with and actively contain and clean up use of persistent chemical agents (for example, ourselves in the People's Republic) would be encouraged to train, supply or simply just aid states that cannot.
by Imperializt Russia » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:45 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by The Dark Star Republic » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:16 am
by Imperializt Russia » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:21 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Chester Pearson » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:23 am
The Dark Star Republic wrote:"I realize people were unsatisfied with my approach to the problem. But is there any way you would be willing to include precursors to binary weapons in this, for the moment setting aside concerns about 'banning water'."
~ Ambassador to the WA Inky Fungschlammer
Separatist Peoples wrote:With a lawnchair and a large bag of popcorn in hand, Ambassador SaDiablo walks in and sets himself up comfortably. Out of a dufflebag comes a large foam finger with the name "Chester Pearson" emblazoned on it, as well as a few six-packs.
by Ainocra » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:59 am
by The Dark Star Republic » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:25 am
Chester Pearson wrote:The Dark Star Republic wrote:"I realize people were unsatisfied with my approach to the problem. But is there any way you would be willing to include precursors to binary weapons in this, for the moment setting aside concerns about 'banning water'."
~ Ambassador to the WA Inky Fungschlammer
I really would prefer to leave binary agents out of this one for the time being, and leave that door open to future legislation if that is possible? Plus we are coming extremely close to the character limit at this time.
by Imperializt Russia » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:37 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Chester Pearson » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:42 am
The Dark Star Republic wrote:Chester Pearson wrote:
I really would prefer to leave binary agents out of this one for the time being, and leave that door open to future legislation if that is possible? Plus we are coming extremely close to the character limit at this time.
"I'm not sure I see the point. Chemical weapons are chemical weapons, no matter how they are produced, and selling recognised precursors in violation of the intent of this proposal should be prohibited."
~ Ambassador to the WA Inky Fungschlammer
Separatist Peoples wrote:With a lawnchair and a large bag of popcorn in hand, Ambassador SaDiablo walks in and sets himself up comfortably. Out of a dufflebag comes a large foam finger with the name "Chester Pearson" emblazoned on it, as well as a few six-packs.
by The Dark Star Republic » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:05 am
by Chester Pearson » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:55 am
The Dark Star Republic wrote:"I do...but it would take a hefty chunk of characters, and you're right that you don't have room for that at the moment. Maybe we can revisit it.
"I have a question about the incapacitating agents. Why is it necessary to define them and carve out an exception for them? They really don't have anything to do with chemical weapons as you define them."
~ Ambassador to the WA Inky Fungschlammer
Separatist Peoples wrote:With a lawnchair and a large bag of popcorn in hand, Ambassador SaDiablo walks in and sets himself up comfortably. Out of a dufflebag comes a large foam finger with the name "Chester Pearson" emblazoned on it, as well as a few six-packs.
by The Dark Star Republic » Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:04 am
by Ainocra » Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:05 am
The General Assembly hereby declares:
The use of non persistent chemical weapons in any capacity that may injure or destroy military personnel, or the environment shall be limited to defensive, delaying, and area denial operations,
The use of chemical weapons that have a reasonable probability of affecting civilian populations shall be prohibited,
The stockpiling, use or transfer of harmfully persistent chemical weapons shall be prohibited; furthermore requires their destruction or conversion to other purposes, promptly and with due regard for environmental and security concerns;
Member nations shall be permitted to utilize riot control agents, in accordance with international law and subject to the general principle of minimizing unnecessary casualties,
Member nations shall refrain from using chemical weapons against fellow member nations,
The transfer of chemical weapons to non-state parties, to known supporters of internationally recognized terrorist operatives, and to any non-party to this Resolution shall be prohibited,
Member nations shall take all necessary and available precautions to secure their chemical weapon stockpiles, to prevent their chemical weapon stockpiles from accidental release, and to prevent those stockpiles from falling into the hands of individuals whom have the intent to violate the intentions and provisions of this act,
by Chester Pearson » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:34 pm
Ainocra wrote:The General Assembly hereby declares:
The use of non persistent chemical weapons in any capacity that may injure or destroy military personnel, or the environment shall be limited to defensive, delaying, and area denial operations,
This would handicap a smaller nation, many such nations rely on a first strike doctrine or a reliable counterstrike ability for their survival. an exception for first strike based on credible intelligence is a must. Else the smaller nations that this draft claims to protect might as well surrender to their belligerent neighbors now. Something like this
"Chemical weapons shall not be utilized in a first strike capacity without credible intelligence of imminent attack by a hostile nation.
The use of chemical weapons in all other instances shall be limited to defensive or delaying operations of aggressive offensive military forces," OK... Sold!!!The use of chemical weapons that have a reasonable probability of affecting civilian populations shall be prohibited,
The use of such weapons will always have a reasonable chance of harming civilians. I suggest instead a clause instead prohibiting the deliberate targeting of non military targets. something along these lines.
"The deliberate use of chemical weapons against civilian populations shall be prohibited." That would then duplicate International Criminal Court, in particular clause B(5).The stockpiling, use or transfer of harmfully persistent chemical weapons shall be prohibited; furthermore requires their destruction or conversion to other purposes, promptly and with due regard for environmental and security concerns;
This clause should be stricken, it enacts a total ban on usage and stockpiling. If that is your intent then the resolution definitely is stronger than "mild"
Nice attempt to stealth in a total ban though. It is only banning harmfully PERSISTENT chemical weapons. Non-persistent ones are still permitted, which still falls under mild.Member nations shall be permitted to utilize riot control agents, in accordance with international law and subject to the general principle of minimizing unnecessary casualties,
Howabout instead
"Affirms the right of member nations to utilize riot control agents for purposes both military and domestic."
Cleaner and save you some space on the count. Nice idea, but I like DSR's definition better...Member nations shall refrain from using chemical weapons against fellow member nations,
This should be stricken completely. War can and does happen between member nations on a fairly regular basis. Again smaller nations that this draft claims to protect would be at such a disadvantage as to be defenseless. This would actually encourage belligerent states not deter them. No thanks...
The transfer of chemical weapons to non-state parties, to known supporters of internationally recognized terrorist operatives, and to any non-party to this Resolution shall be prohibited,
Member nations shall take all necessary and available precautions to secure their chemical weapon stockpiles, to prevent their chemical weapon stockpiles from accidental release, and to prevent those stockpiles from falling into the hands of individuals whom have the intent to violate the intentions and provisions of this act,
Seems problematic, combine them and save some space
"Member nations shall use all available means to ensure chemical weapons remain fully under state control; furthermore private individuals, and corporate entities shall be prohibited from possessing chemical weapons unless they have been specifically licensed by the nation(s) for the purposes of manufacturing said weapons."
This would cover corporations that manufacture them as well as making it illegal to transfer them to terrorists or no state actors. Unless the corporation is licensed.... Nice attempt at a back door, but no thanks...
These changes would give you a good framework, and not be to onerous on the individual nations. What you have now leans too far toward total ban to garner much support.
Separatist Peoples wrote:With a lawnchair and a large bag of popcorn in hand, Ambassador SaDiablo walks in and sets himself up comfortably. Out of a dufflebag comes a large foam finger with the name "Chester Pearson" emblazoned on it, as well as a few six-packs.
by The Dark Star Republic » Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:38 am
by Chester Pearson » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:00 am
The Dark Star Republic wrote:"I don't see the point of creating a Chemical Weapons Commission if it's not going to be able to provide technical assistance in decommissioning."
~ Ambassador to the WA Inky Fungschlammer
OOC: I've also never actually given you express permission to use my text in your proposal.
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"Chemical Weapons Act"
A resolution to improve world security by boosting police and military budgets.
Category: International Security | Strength: Mild | Proposed by: The UFoC Ambassador of Chester Pearson
The World Assembly,
Acknowledging that nations may possess chemical weapons,
Realizing that some nations use chemical weapons both domestically and during military conflict,
Whilst understanding the massive casualties and long term environmental damage that these weapons may cause; also believing that small scale tactical defensive usage of these weapons is sometimes vital to the survival of smaller nations,
For the purposes of this protocol "Chemical agents" shall be defined as:
"Chemical weapon": any substance that is used with the intention of causing death or severe harm to sapient beings, a habitable area or to the environment, solely through the toxic chemical properties of such agent,
"Riot control agent": any chemical substance that is used with the intention of non-lethally incapacitating and subduing sapient beings, solely through the chemical effects of such agent,
The General Assembly hereby declares:
The use of non persistent chemical weapons in any capacity that may injure or destroy military personnel, or the environment shall be limited to defensive, delaying, and area denial operations,
The use of chemical weapons that have a reasonable probability of affecting civilian populations shall be prohibited,
The stockpiling, use or transfer of harmfully persistent chemical weapons shall be prohibited; furthermore requires their destruction or conversion to other purposes, promptly and with due regard for environmental and security concerns;
Member nations shall be permitted to utilize riot control agents, in accordance with international law and subject to the general principle of minimising unnecessary casualties,
Member nations shall refrain from using chemical weapons against fellow member nations,
The transfer of chemical weapons to non-state parties, to known supporters of internationally recognised terrorist operatives, and to any non-party to this Resolution shall be prohibited,
Member nations shall take all necessary and available precautions to secure their chemical weapon stockpiles, to prevent their chemical weapon stockpiles from accidental release, and to prevent those stockpiles from falling into the hands of individuals whom have the intent to violate the intentions and provisions of this act,
The World Assembly Chemical Weapons Commission (WACWC) shall be re-tasked with the following mandate:
To develop and maintain a library of known chemical weapons, and to share this information with any nation that requests access to it,
To assist member nations in establishing effective programs meant to defend against chemical weapons,
To provide medical and humanitarian assistance to member nations subject to unprovoked offensive chemical weapon attacks, in cooperation with the International Humanitarian Aid Coordination Committee.
To permit nations to seek, in consultation with WACWC, specific clarifications, exceptions, and modifications to the above definitions so as to ensure full coverage of new and developing chemical weapons while excluding those with little military application, and specifically to seek reservations to their obligations herein for:
stockpiling, use or transfer for reasons other than offensive military application, such as in industry or research,
transfer for the purposes of peaceful research, development of countermeasures and protective strategies, and decommissioning,
retention of small, secured amounts of harmfully persistent chemical weapons for peaceful research and development of countermeasures and protective strategies.
Co-Authored by: The United Socialist States of The Dark Star Republic
The United Socialist States of The Dark Star Republic
7 days ago
I don't mind you posting that to the thread, though I would have comments on it.
In reply to...
Separatist Peoples wrote:With a lawnchair and a large bag of popcorn in hand, Ambassador SaDiablo walks in and sets himself up comfortably. Out of a dufflebag comes a large foam finger with the name "Chester Pearson" emblazoned on it, as well as a few six-packs.
by Ainocra » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:01 am
Well if it's already in the ICC then I suggest striking it to save space.
This clause should be stricken, it enacts a total ban on usage and stockpiling. If that is your intent then the resolution definitely is stronger than "mild"
Nice attempt to stealth in a total ban though. It is only banning harmfully PERSISTENT chemical weapons. Non-persistent ones are still permitted, which still falls under mild.
Member nations shall refrain from using chemical weapons against fellow member nations,
This should be stricken completely. War can and does happen between member nations on a fairly regular basis. Again smaller nations that this draft claims to protect would be at such a disadvantage as to be defenseless. This would actually encourage belligerent states not deter them. No thanks...
The transfer of chemical weapons to non-state parties, to known supporters of internationally recognized terrorist operatives, and to any non-party to this Resolution shall be prohibited,
Member nations shall take all necessary and available precautions to secure their chemical weapon stockpiles, to prevent their chemical weapon stockpiles from accidental release, and to prevent those stockpiles from falling into the hands of individuals whom have the intent to violate the intentions and provisions of this act,
Seems problematic, combine them and save some space
"Member nations shall use all available means to ensure chemical weapons remain fully under state control; furthermore private individuals, and corporate entities shall be prohibited from possessing chemical weapons unless they have been specifically licensed by the nation(s) for the purposes of manufacturing said weapons."
This would cover corporations that manufacture them as well as making it illegal to transfer them to terrorists or no state actors. Unless the corporation is licensed.... Nice attempt at a back door, but no thanks...
These changes would give you a good framework, and not be to onerous on the individual nations. What you have now leans too far toward total ban to garner much support.
I don't think so. I highly expect The Star Empire to vote against either way, so we will go with what we have.
by The Dark Star Republic » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:07 am
Chester Pearson wrote:Remember those telegrams?
by Chester Pearson » Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:01 am
The Dark Star Republic wrote:Chester Pearson wrote:Remember those telegrams?
OOC: Yep. I gave you permission to "post that to the thread". Not to submit it.
Edit: in case that seems like an arbitrary distinction, it was never my intention to give you permission to actually submit my own material as part of a proposal unless it was one I could completely endorse. I regret if you misunderstood my intent.
Separatist Peoples wrote:With a lawnchair and a large bag of popcorn in hand, Ambassador SaDiablo walks in and sets himself up comfortably. Out of a dufflebag comes a large foam finger with the name "Chester Pearson" emblazoned on it, as well as a few six-packs.
by The Dark Star Republic » Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:03 am
Chester Pearson wrote:The Dark Star Republic wrote:OOC: Yep. I gave you permission to "post that to the thread". Not to submit it.
Edit: in case that seems like an arbitrary distinction, it was never my intention to give you permission to actually submit my own material as part of a proposal unless it was one I could completely endorse. I regret if you misunderstood my intent.
Precisely why I sent you that telegram last night, asking you if you if we are ready to go on this. It would have been far simpler for you to telegram me back, rather than start your public filibustering all over again, which is now getting very old....
by Chester Pearson » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:03 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:With a lawnchair and a large bag of popcorn in hand, Ambassador SaDiablo walks in and sets himself up comfortably. Out of a dufflebag comes a large foam finger with the name "Chester Pearson" emblazoned on it, as well as a few six-packs.
by The Dark Star Republic » Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:52 pm
by Chester Pearson » Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:43 pm
The Dark Star Republic wrote:"So much for your supposed willingness to redraft this. Disappointing."
~ Ambassador to the WA Inky Fungschlammer
Separatist Peoples wrote:With a lawnchair and a large bag of popcorn in hand, Ambassador SaDiablo walks in and sets himself up comfortably. Out of a dufflebag comes a large foam finger with the name "Chester Pearson" emblazoned on it, as well as a few six-packs.
by Moronist Decisions » Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:26 am
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