[Passed] Repeal "Chemical Weapons Protocol"

[Parti Ouvrier]

The old resolution should be repealed because it incorrectly uses the word riot and then contradicts itself.

A riot is an offensive maneuver by the people against the people or the government. This resolution only allows non-lethal chemical agents to be used in riots even thought later in the resolution it says that lethal chemical weapons can be used in defensive maneuvers. It would have been better to use the word protest because a protest is normally peaceful.

Yes... But is a riot an offensive MILITARY maneuver?

The use of chemical agents as weapons (hereafter referred to as chemical weapons) in any capacity that may injure or destroy military personnel, or the environment shall be limited to defensive or delaying operations of aggressive offensive forces,

The use of chemical weapons that have a reasonable probability of affecting civilian populations shall be prohibited,

I believe these two clauses may have just been over the top of your bifocals when you were reading the resolution. I have the name of a really good eye doctor who can take care of that little dilemma for you.

Warmest regards,

If that's the case then why was the resolution placed under the International Security category and not human rights?

[The Akashic Records]

If that's the case then why was the resolution placed under the International Security category and not human rights?

Perhaps because police and military budgets increase from the retraining of the relevant forces, and tighter restrictions on chemical weapons? You'd think that people would learn some reading comprehension.

[Parti Ouvrier]

If that's the case then why was the resolution placed under the International Security category and not human rights?

Perhaps because police and military budgets increase from the retraining of the relevant forces, and tighter restrictions on chemical weapons? You'd think that people would learn some reading comprehension.

You don't say. I was the only person to first point that out you genius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Araraukar]

You don't say. I was the only person to first point that out you genius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...yet you questioned it?

OOC: And didn't you know that using that many exclamation marks means you're an utter lunatic, according to Discworld rules?

[The Dourian Embassy]

Alrighty, so here's the thing. I'm not here to debate the merits or failings of the Chemical Weapons Protocol(rather we're here about the repeal). Why don't the rest of you guys cool it just a bit until Chester comes up with his replacement?

[Friday Freshman]

Alrighty, so here's the thing. I'm not here to debate the merits or failings of the Chemical Weapons Protocol(rather we're here about the repeal). Why don't the rest of you guys cool it just a bit until Chester comes up with his replacement?

What we are doing is giving you suggestions to add to the repeal.

[Chester Pearson]

Alrighty, so here's the thing. I'm not here to debate the merits or failings of the Chemical Weapons Protocol(rather we're here about the repeal). Why don't the rest of you guys cool it just a bit until Chester comes up with his replacement?

What we are doing is giving you suggestions to add to the repeal.

No you're not. You are merely criticizing the Chemical Weapons Protocol, because you are refusing to actually comprehend it.

[Friday Freshman]

What we are doing is giving you suggestions to add to the repeal.

No you're not. You are merely criticizing the Chemical Weapons Protocol, because you are refusing to actually comprehend it.

Let me ask you a simple question. Do I sound like I wanted to hear from you?

[Frisbeeteria]

No you're not. You are merely criticizing the Chemical Weapons Protocol, because you are refusing to actually comprehend it.

Let me ask you a simple question. Do I sound like I wanted to hear from you?

If the two of you get into another bitch-slap fest in this thread, things will not go well for either of you.

[The Akashic Records]

No you're not. You are merely criticizing the Chemical Weapons Protocol, because you are refusing to actually comprehend it.

Let me ask you a simple question. Do I sound like I wanted to hear from you?

There is a fine line between being a grumpy old curmudgeon and a jerk. It's even harder to distinguish than between genius and madness, ambassador Friday. Having something to say about the actual target of the repeal is good, but wilful misunderstanding and misrepresentation of facts does not bode well with anyone. We would appreciate it if you would actually comprehend what Miss Leveret said. The resolution limits the use of chemical weapons that were designed and used in the capacity of its complete chemical lethality in offensive manoeuvres.

Riot control agents, which are not used in its chemical lethality, are allowed to be used in controlling riots, not peaceful protests, mind you, within whatever limitations the World Assembly has placed, or will place. Though, limiting it to lachrymatory chemical substances might have had the adverse effect of limiting the non-lethal riot control agents that differing nations may have.

EDIT: Missed the word "than" after distinguish and between.

[Bears Armed]

Though, limiting it to lachrymatory chemical substances might have had the adverse effect of limiting the non-lethal riot control agents that differing nations may have.

"Our government's legal counsel are of the opinion that live deploying skunks for the purpose of riot control, as we have sometimes done in the past, would be acceptable under the restriction to 'lachrymatory agents'."


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[The Dourian Embassy]

I did a lil' bit of editing of the original post, and I've incorporated most of the actual feedback into the text of the repeal. Anyone got anything else? Or should I be thinking about submission?

[The Dourian Embassy]

This has been submitted. Depending on the feedback I get over the next couple of days I may TG it into the queue.

[Friday Freshman]

Approved

[The Dark Star Republic]

OOC: Hmm, I do wish you'd waited until a replacement had been written.

[The Dourian Embassy]

OOC: Hmm, I do wish you'd waited until a replacement had been written.

Chester's replacement is in the original post(and it's mostly finished as well). Him and I coordinated on this.

[The Dark Star Republic]

OOC: Hmm, I do wish you'd waited until a replacement had been written.

Chester's replacement is in the original post(and it's mostly finished as well). Him and I coordinated on this.

OOC: Yes, and I don't think his replacement is up to much. It doesn't even seem to consider precursors for binary weapons, for example.

edit: urk, I'm sorry. Rereading what I wrote, I see the confusion. I had meant to say 'a workable replacement'. I don't agree that the one currently proposed is that.

[The Dourian Embassy]

I'd been worrying a bit about he precursor problem actually, perhaps go over to the thread and throw in some input? I'm sure he'd appreciate it.

[The Dark Star Republic]

I'd been worrying a bit about he precursor problem actually, perhaps go over to the thread and throw in some input? I'm sure he'd appreciate it.

OOC: I already did, Douria, and he hasn't replied. Which isn't hugely surprising at all, given it was only a few hours ago.

Why is there such a huge hurry on this? He posted his draft two days ago. He has received virtually zero input: an improving message from Separatist Peoples, a tag not yet edited in by Ainocra, a minor pick-up from you, and now my comment. That's it.

Maybe it's time to recall that old adage of Bob Flibble's: a resolution is a marathon, not a sprint.

[The Dourian Embassy]

I'd been worrying a bit about he precursor problem actually, perhaps go over to the thread and throw in some input? I'm sure he'd appreciate it.

OOC: I already did, Douria, and he hasn't replied. Which isn't hugely surprising at all, given it was only a few hours ago.

Why is there such a huge hurry on this? He posted his draft two days ago. He has received virtually zero input: an improving message from Separatist Peoples, a tag not yet edited in by Ainocra, a minor pick-up from you, and now my comment. That's it.

Maybe it's time to recall that old adage of Bob Flibble's: a resolution is a marathon, not a sprint.

I meant the precursors bit. If the replacement is lacking in that area(which I hoped we could avoid with the "facilitates" language I suggested), explain how and what it needs to be improved.

We're not communicating very well, you and I.

And yeah, I tend to move fast from concept to resolution. My turnaround is usually about a week. This has already been up that long.

[The Dark Star Republic]

OOC: I already did, Douria, and he hasn't replied. Which isn't hugely surprising at all, given it was only a few hours ago.

Why is there such a huge hurry on this? He posted his draft two days ago. He has received virtually zero input: an improving message from Separatist Peoples, a tag not yet edited in by Ainocra, a minor pick-up from you, and now my comment. That's it.

Maybe it's time to recall that old adage of Bob Flibble's: a resolution is a marathon, not a sprint.

I meant the precursors bit. If the replacement is lacking in that area(which I hoped we could avoid with the "facilitates" language I suggested), explain how and what it needs to be improved.

We're not communicating very well, you and I.

OOC: I'm not going to solve the precursors part without assurances that a definition of chemical agent can be reached. There are other aspects too that need a lot of work.

And yeah, I tend to move fast from concept to resolution. My turnaround is usually about a week. This has already been up that long.

No, it hasn't. The draft replacement has only been up two days. Two days. For a chemical weapons ban affecting thousands of nations.

Two days.

[The Dourian Embassy]

No, it hasn't. The draft replacement has only been up two days. Two days. For a chemical weapons ban affecting thousands of nations.

Two days.

Yes, but this has been up for over a week. This thread. The repeal thread.

[The Dark Star Republic]

No, it hasn't. The draft replacement has only been up two days. Two days. For a chemical weapons ban affecting thousands of nations.

Two days.

Yes, but this has been up for over a week. This thread. The repeal thread.

OOC: Thunk. Thunk. Thunk.

And when this was first posted a week ago, my Ambassador made an in-character statement anticipating the replacement.

You might recall how long it took Ausserland - one of the sharpest legislative minds the NSUN ever saw - to work on his draft chemical weapons ban. I can't remember exactly, but I think it was longer than 48 hours...

[The Dourian Embassy]

You might recall how long it took Ausserland - one of the sharpest legislative minds the NSUN ever saw - to work on his draft chemical weapons ban. I can't remember exactly, but I think it was longer than 48 hours...

I sincerely wish we weren't arguing so much, but here we go.

The Chemical Weapons Act, which Chester is drafting as a replacement in case his first version ever gets repealed, is based heavily on the Chemical Weapons Protocol, which underwent heavy scrutiny both before, during, and after it went to vote. Furthermore, soon thereafter I contacted Chester about this effort to fix some of the errors and problems in the Protocol(based mostly on the At Vote Thread). He sent me a draft later, which I sent back with some notes(and I imagine Sciongrad either did similarly or at least read it).

So, while the thread itself has existed for a mere two days, the piece has had a much longer drafting history than you might imagine(and that history is arguably still active, with the Protocol still the last passed resolution). And it has likely another week or so before this repeal moves to vote. I have it up for a trial run, but it has what, 2 more days to go? And I won't be TGing for it(as I'd like to add Chester as a Co-author). And once it goes to vote, the Act will still have time to be drafted(and if it takes a bit longer, I'd understand).

So yeah, there's still plenty of time to go, but I see no reason to drag our feet on this issue. The current piece is flawed, and requires a repeal. I'm supporting the replacement effort, but I am directing the repeal effort.

[The Dark Star Republic]

OOC: Emphasis mine:

So, while the thread itself has existed for a mere two days, the piece has had a much longer drafting history than you might imagine(and that history is arguably still active, with the Protocol still the last passed resolution). And it has likely another week or so before this repeal moves to vote. I have it up for a trial run, but it has what, 2 more days to go? And I won't be TGing for it(as I'd like to add Chester as a Co-author). And once it goes to vote, the Act will still have time to be drafted(and if it takes a bit longer, I'd understand).

This has been submitted. Depending on the feedback I get over the next couple of days I may TG it into the queue.

So that's why I was getting worked up. If you're saying this isn't for an immediate attempt at quorum, then I am much less concerned.