[PASSED] Chemical Weapons Protocol

[Alqania]

There's nothing in this proposal requiring there to be a riot for a nation to use these weapons. In fact as it's written a nation can use riot control agents however they want.

And without this resolution in place, there's exactly what controlling their use now?

"The current lack of regulation is hardly a valid reason to codify a right for member states to do what they want", insisted Princess Christine. "Anyway, if riot control agents are not chemical weapons, then they have no business being in this proposal."

[Imperializt Russia]

It doesn't require that someone have an allergy for them to be potentially lethal or injurious if used improperly.

If your nation isn't able to control the use of such chemicals right now, without any legislation in place, that's really a problem on your end, not the WA's. Going by the rational nation assumption, such chemicals, if their use is required, would be handled by personnel who know what the hell they're doing.

I mean, honestly, a regular fork (or chopsticks) can be potentially lethal or injurious if used improperly, and yet those still are allowed in most countries... *grumble*

There's not just allergies to CS, CS is a dangerous chemical which can kill from a fairly low overexposure.

Though I'm assuming this is further stuff not of issue to the Gnomes?

[Wheeled States of Bifid]

There's nothing in this proposal requiring there to be a riot for a nation to use these weapons. In fact as it's written a nation can use riot control agents however they want.

And without this resolution in place, there's exactly what controlling their use now?

There's nothing in this proposal controlling their use and if it were put in place there never could be anything controlling their use.

[Universal explorers]

Here is a question, Does the fact that there is a WA rule on the book permiting something to be used precludes the member nations from banning it themselves? Look at it this way, how successful were previous proposals of completely banning chemical weapons? They failed completely, seeing as this proposal was required! Would you propose banning pepper spray, tear gas, and tasers for risk of it harming the criminal element? What would you use then, because that would bean you most likely banned clubs, guns, and many other tools for law enforcement. That would mean the poliece would only be able to talk, and when has that worked with a psychopath? This bill actually has a change of passing, and it is better something is there instead of having zilch, zip, nada there. That is your choice, compromise or get squat.

[Araraukar]

There's nothing in this proposal controlling their use and if it were put in place there never could be anything controlling their use.

You're free to suggest a modification for the draft.

What would you use then, because that would bean you most likely banned clubs, guns, and many other tools for law enforcement.

And forks.

[Bears Armed]

Member nations are permitted to utilize riot control agents freely without restriction,

It feels like this one is very vulnerable to abuse.

I think that it should at least include a "subject to any limits that might be imposed by other GA resolutions" sub-clause, both to allow for future restriction if that becomes seen as necessary and to avoid any potential contradiction of existing legislation... because I can think of several potential situations in which that unrestricted use of riot control agents would breach various existing resolutions.

[Wheeled States of Bifid]

It feels like this one is very vulnerable to abuse.

I think that it should at least include a "subject to any limits that might be imposed by other GA resolutions" sub-clause, both to allow for future restriction if that becomes seen as necessary and to avoid any potential contradiction of existing legislation... because I can think of several potential situations in which that unrestricted use of riot control agents would breach various existing resolutions.

That could work.

[Wheeled States of Bifid]

Let me put it this way. This draft seems intended to protect innocents from chemical weapons as much as is practical. The clause I'm talking about leaves a gigantic loophole that an unscrupulous regime could use to victimize its citizens which would be counter to the intent of the resolution and again, doesn't leave any leeway for closing that loophole.

[Wheeled States of Bifid]

Determines that riot control agents should only be used to prevent disruption of legal activity or serious risk of death or injury

Not the best effort but something along those lines.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Riot control agents are non-lethal. Now before the argument comes up that someone might be allergic to CS gas or pepper spray, people all over are usually allegic to SOMETHING. For those people that just happen to be allergic to to a riot control agent, tough titties for them......

What a wonderful human being you are....

[Auralia]

Support.

[Ikania]

Actually, I think this proposal is quite brilliant. I have always been against chemical weapons, and I would love to see a regulation. One minor edit; I would suggest adding 'non-lethal' to the definition of riot control.
EDIT: Nevermind.

[Wheeled States of Bifid]

Actually, I think this proposal is quite brilliant. I have always been against chemical weapons, and I would love to see a regulation. One minor edit; I would suggest adding 'non-lethal' to the definition of riot control.

"Riot control agent" shall be defined as any lachrymatory chemical substance that is designed to non-lethally incapacitate and subdue any conscious sentient person, plant or animal, primarily via the chemical effects of such agent,

[Chester Pearson]

Riot control agents are non-lethal. Now before the argument comes up that someone might be allergic to CS gas or pepper spray, people all over are usually allegic to SOMETHING. For those people that just happen to be allergic to to a riot control agent, tough titties for them......

What a wonderful human being you are....

I do not believe your opinion was solicited or required..


Warmest Regards,

[Ikania]

Actually, I think this proposal is quite brilliant. I have always been against chemical weapons, and I would love to see a regulation. One minor edit; I would suggest adding 'non-lethal' to the definition of riot control.

"Riot control agent" shall be defined as any lachrymatory chemical substance that is designed to non-lethally incapacitate and subdue any conscious sentient person, plant or animal, primarily via the chemical effects of such agent,

Oh, sorry. Thank you.

[Wheeled States of Bifid]

Oh, sorry. Thank you.

Glad to help.

[Kuwabarka]

The Confederacy of Kuwabarka hereby supports this legislation.

[Valendia]

What a wonderful human being you are....

"I believe what the honorable delegate meant is that policy based on outliers is an exercise in futility."

[Chester Pearson]

There's a simple solution: don't riot. WA members have plenty of legally protected means of civil discourse. Riots are not one of them. So, any negative effects caused by the use of riot gas is expected, and the rioters understand this by putting themselves in a position where they are exposed to it. Its the same concept of bullets being bad for you, but we don't arrest cops who have to shoot a criminal to prevent a crime.

There's nothing in this proposal requiring there to be a riot for a nation to use these weapons. In fact as it's written a nation can use riot control agents however they want.

Member nations shall be permitted to utilize riot control agents freely, subject to future World Assembly legislation,

Would this clause help quell any ambitions you may have Ambassador?

[Imperializt Russia]

From quoting that line, it would seem that use of riot control agents were completely unrestricted until someone decided to codify their acceptable use in WA legislature.

[Chester Pearson]

From quoting that line, it would seem that use of riot control agents were completely unrestricted until someone decided to codify their acceptable use in WA legislature.

That is the general idea. This way it leaves the use of riot control agents open to future interpretation if the General Assembly wishes to legislate on them.

The way it was worded before, was a nasty blocker, and would have been the prime target for a repeal attempt.

[Republic of Astana]

No and definitely NO, Chemical weapons should not be used by any country or even for the matter not even Nuclear.

[Imperializt Russia]

No and definitely NO, Chemical weapons should not be used by any country or even for the matter not even Nuclear.

Well, the last series of attempts to ban chemical weapons failed abysmally.

Enter that marvellous keystone of politics, compromise.

[Chester Pearson]

No and definitely NO, Chemical weapons should not be used by any country or even for the matter not even Nuclear.

So let me get this straight then................... We need to ban chemical weapons, and nuclear weapons all in the same proposal then? I would think NAPA might stand in the way of that.

Either way, this is going to the floor for a test run, after the major.

[Universal explorers]

No and definitely NO, Chemical weapons should not be used by any country or even for the matter not even Nuclear.

And in what universe would that ever pass through the WA?