FAILED: Condemn Aegara

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Condemn Aegara
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation
Nominee: Aegara
Proposed by: The Used Kingdom

Description: REALIZING that Aegara's repeal of "Commend 10000 Islands" was one motivated by revenge and hatred of 10000 Islands;

KNOWING that Aegara has done much to facilitate the indoctrination of raiders within his own region;

APPALLED that Aegara attempts to recruit new nations to his region for the purpose of forming an army;

SHOCKED that Aegara attempted to smear the name of defenders everywhere with his repeal of "Commend '10000 Islands'"

HEREBY CONDEMNS Aegara for allowing a personal vendetta to interfere in the workings of this great body.

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I am not the author of this, but during my look-see of the proposal list I saw that this had reached quorum, and I can't see any debate thread on these forums. So I thought it would be good to create one.

[Sedgistan]

I would be interested to know more about the author, especially since they appear to be a fairly long-standing native of Grand Central - which is Aegara's region.

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I got TGed for my delegate approval. When I replied saying that I didn't want to support any tit-for-tat condemnations, The Used Kingdom said that Aegara had asked for this condemnation. My suspicions are that someone wants to fuel their ego.

[Aegara]

... Erm... I'd like to thank my agent, and my mother, and my father...

[Unibotian WASC Mission]

Oh noz! -- it contradicts our time honored tradition of neutrality and fairness!

[A mean old man]

Oh noz! -- it contradicts our time honored tradition of neutrality and fairness!

Pretty much any hopes of keeping the SC neutral have gone completely down the shitter at this point.

[Aegara]

Oh noz! -- it contradicts our time honored tradition of neutrality and fairness!

Indeed... but then again, I'm hardly going to support my own condemnation anyway... if I knew it was this easy I would have nominated myself for a commendation. Apparently any old resolution can make it

[Kalibarr]

if you go by the line where it's condemning him for the 10k islands repeal then it is technically illegal

[Unibotian WASC Mission]

if you go by the line where it's condemning him for the 10k islands repeal then it is technically illegal

I believe Ard said only straightforward backlash proposals, which lack rhetoric are being deleted. But you could argue so...

[Sedgistan]

Oh noz! -- it contradicts our time honored tradition of neutrality and fairness!

Indeed... but then again, I'm hardly going to support my own condemnation anyway... if I knew it was this easy I would have nominated myself for a commendation. Apparently any old resolution can make it

Hardly going to support your own condemnation, but you're willing to write it, and ask a member of your region to submit it? Hoping it'll have a 'Nazi Europe' effect on your region, and boost the population?

[Klaus Devestatorie]

This is nothing more than a personal attack. If you think the proposal is so bad, you should be working to put back 10k Islands commendation, not get revenge.

[Daynor]

I think it's about time we reconize the achievement of this great player. A condemnation by the defender machine is the best way to reward us raiders efforts.

Wear it proud, friend.

[Todd McCloud]

Oh noz! -- it contradicts our time honored tradition of neutrality and fairness!

Indeed... but then again, I'm hardly going to support my own condemnation anyway... if I knew it was this easy I would have nominated myself for a commendation. Apparently any old resolution can make it

Hardly going to support your own condemnation, but you're willing to write it, and ask a member of your region to submit it? Hoping it'll have a 'Nazi Europe' effect on your region, and boost the population?

I do believe self-imposed C&C's should be made illegal, to be honest.

[Sedgistan]

Of course, if its not a self-condemnation, it is probably illegal, as 3/5ths of that proposal seem to violate this ruling - its just a 'tit-for-tat' condemnation based on the fact that Aegara repealed 'Commend 10000 Islands'.

[The Used Kingdom]

Hello

[Station Man]

I know he should be condemned!

[The Used Kingdom]

I know he should be condemned!

Or for the commend to be written better.

I would support either one. Lets commend Sedge

[Todd McCloud]

Well, even if the guy did send this to a nation to 'self-condemn' himself, my fears are realized. There is no neutrality in the SC. The count for this condemnation is currently at 82. Goob's commendation maxed out around 70 or so. It could be that the guy telegrammed more people, but I think it's also because he has that raider label on it. Let me break it down:

REALIZING that Aegara's repeal of "Commend 10000 Islands" was one motivated by revenge and hatred of 10000 Islands;

Okay, I can understand that. The Commend 10000 Islands repeal is what started this whole mess, but again, I too supported it because I felt a better one could've been written and, had a better one been written, it would've passed quite easily.

KNOWING that Aegara has done much to facilitate the indoctrination of raiders within his own region;

This makes me sad. It seems to say that helping raiders is a condemnable offense. So in cutthroat logic, the broad determination of facilitating a raider is doing something that isn't good in the eyes of the WA. In short, anyone who even tries to defend them could be viewed as a 'bad guy'. And while I know this is true and opinions are as varied as the people who create such opinions, having it as an official response from the WA is troubling for me.

APPALLED that Aegara attempts to recruit new nations to his region for the purpose of forming an army;

So does Equilism, but they won't be condemned anytime soon. Heck, so do a lot of raider and defender nations.

SHOCKED that Aegara attempted to smear the name of defenders everywhere with his repeal of "Commend '10000 Islands'"

It was a repeal on something that would've been repealed eventually. I know there are some resolutions out there that could be worded differently, but that one really needed to be fixed. In time, it would've been repealed and a better one would be submitted.

HEREBY CONDEMNS Aegara for allowing a personal vendetta to interfere in the workings of this great body.

Overall, a weak argument. So he repealed 10000 Islands... that's kind of about it. So he facilitates raiders. Well, I defend raiders in arguments because not very many people will. So he telegrams people trying to get them in his army. Bing deal: so does Wham and Naivetry in Equilism. The speed at which this reached quorum startles me, though. It outlines to me that no matter what you do in the game, if you have that raider label intact or are even accused of being a raider, doing raiding things, even defending raiders, that is a condemnable offense. My dream of seeing upstanding raiders and former raiders commended for what they did has practically vanished. And that is a shame. It will be a cold day before anyone who was affiliated as a raider present or past, is commended for their actions as pure talent and not as an evil nation or player.

[Ardchoille]

Hello

The Used Kingdom, your name is on this proposal. When playing politics, at least try to play convincingly. You may think that, since the proposal is now in queue, you no longer have to convince delegates. Not so.

Further, any queued proposal is still vulnerable to deletion by mods until the very moment it becomes At Vote.

I'm aware of the objections to it based on my earlier ruling about tit-for-tat proposals (Unibot's pretty closely pinned my reasoning there.)

I'm also looking at other points raised in this thread. Since there's another before it in the queue, I'm taking time to discuss the results with other mods, and possibly with Max. Using the SC for political purposes seems to me to be well within the ambit Max gave it.

[Station Man]

OMG Todd McCloud open you eyes!!!!

This makes me sad. It seems to say that helping raiders is a condemnable offense. So in cutthroat logic, the broad determination of facilitating a raider is doing something that isn't good in the eyes of the WA. In short, anyone who even tries to defend them could be viewed as a 'bad guy'. And while I know this is true and opinions are as varied as the people who create such opinions, having it as an official response from the WA is troubling for me.

That is the tripe presented in all these silly C&C's. Point one out which was ACTUALLY BASED on merit.

I say CONDEMN AEGARA, he has no value he is a RAIDER!!!!

Please someone Condemn me also I am a Raider also. Please!!!!

[The Used Kingdom]

Hello

The Used Kingdom, your name is on this proposal. When playing politics, at least try to play convincingly. You may think that, since the proposal is now in queue, you no longer have to convince delegates. Not so.

Further, any queued proposal is still vulnerable to deletion by mods until the very moment it becomes At Vote.

I'm aware of the objections to it based on my earlier ruling about tit-for-tat proposals (Unibot's pretty closely pinned my reasoning there.)

I'm also looking at other points raised in this thread. Since there's another before it in the queue, I'm taking time to discuss the results with other mods, and possibly with Max. Using the SC for political purposes seems to me to be well within the ambit Max gave it.

I will still have to convince the other delegates, yes. It still has to go up for vote to everyone. : p And yes, I know all can be deleted by the Mods.

You guys do that.
Is there any way I can say that without sarcasm? When I read it... It sounds like I am, but Im not

[Station Man]

Can we Double-Plus-Condemn Aegara? Listen to me folks he deserves it.

[Feroxian]

Station Man, if you hate him so much, why not just eject and ban him from your region?

[Topid]

Station Man, if you hate him so much, why not just eject and ban him from your region?

Because they are very good friends, I remember from my Commonwealth days.

If raiders start looking at condemnation as a reward, it might be a great thing to condemn raiders. I'm just not sure that Aegara is the most signifigant raider around.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

The repeal of the commendation of 10000 Islands was greatly motivated by the poor wording of the resolution it repealed. As of yet, I cannot see any other tangible evidence to support this condemnation. To clarify, the honoured ambassador to Charlotte Ryberg is unsure of the evidence here and has for the time being withdrawn its approval until other tangible evidence can be presented.