[DEFEATED] Liberate The Greater German Reich

[Mosktopia]

Are we being asked to liberate a region so it can be invaded?

[Wheeled States of Bifid]

Are we being asked to liberate a region so it can be invaded?

Yes, yes we are.

[Mosktopia]

Are we being asked to liberate a region so it can be invaded?

Yes, yes we are.

That's not right...

Against.

[A mean old man]

GGR has a founder who is active pretty much every day. No password either, as of right now.

I don't get it.

[Super-Llamaland]

Yes, yes we are.

That's not right...

Against.

It isn't. And I have no idea what these "significant colonial holdings" are. This isn't really the point of a liberation, AGAINST and urging my region mates to do the same.

And...the delegate you reference has already been replaced.

[Silver Seas]

GGR has a founder who is active pretty much every day. No password either, as of right now.

I don't get it.

I believe the theory is that in case LCG ever goes inactive, the region will be open for invasion.

[Letoilenoir]

The ability to remove unassailable defences, whether these defences are facilitated by the presence of a founder, or by the powers vested in a delegate, is something that the Security Council should be willing to entertain if that region has willingly and blatantly sought to use gameplay mechanics to the detriment of other regions.

If stripping this region of such "protection" encourages behavioral change amongst residents and/or leaders of other regions engaged in such activity to the point where aggression against other regions is seen to carry the risk of their own region being made vulnerable, this resolution should be supported.

Any region prepared to embark upon a such a course should be aware that such action is a double edged sword; "They that live by the sword will perish by the sword"

Unfortunately, much like the WA, the SC is mere "hot air", so there is little prospect of this resolution passing - and whilst the Founder/password mechanism continues to provide a "get out of jail" clause, regions and organisations will continue to engage in such activity, marauding with impunity and facing no consequences or reprisals for their violation of the wishes of others.

[Luxembourg]

Hooray, another bullshit liberation.

[Ynys Dywyll]

A pointless exercise. If you don't like the ideological bent of a given nation or region, then don't move there. This proposal is a waste of energy and not worth the time it took to write, or read it. We vote NO.

[The Sotoan Union]

This is an abuse of the liberation feature. How will this be useful in the long run?

[Neo Nibu]

Heh heh this one makes me laugh, I approve.

[Scarsaw]

How did this proposal get this far? A blatant use of blind hatred to abuse the intent and rules of the liberation system to once again strike at those you simply don't like because of idealogical reasons.

In the eyes of the Federation, you Mad Jack, are worse than those you claim to be evil. We are sure if your nation could, you would set up camps for those who hold this separate ideology and exterminate them. For that underlining hatred, we are still strongly oppose to this close-minded attempt to harm those you consider undesirable.

The security council should be assisting the world in brining peace, understanding, and security to the world, not promote hatred and destruction. We hope that in the future, Mad Jack, you will come to understand that and tolerance for others. Only then can we start truly advancing as the human (or sentient considering some of the populations of nations here) race.

[SkyDip]

Happy to vote against this garbage with my last breath as Delegate.

[Madenia]

I voted FOR this resolution. I will not rest until this German Reich is Liberated and I would volunteer to help raid it.

The Nazis deserve every inconvenience.

[Luntolst]

As a new country, I have almost no influence and certainly no public recognition. This one is difficult, as the Nazi ideology is absolutely abhorrent to me. However, my single vote is going against this one. The word "liberation" ought to mean something positive. If you want a resolution to strip of a region of its defenses in an attempt to destabilize it, use the correct wording and take your chances with trying to set a precedent instead of using wording to convince people of some good intention behind the resolution.

So, in summary, solidly against.

[Abacathea]

I voted FOR this resolution. I will not rest until this German Reich is Liberated and I would volunteer to help raid it.

The Nazis deserve every inconvenience.

And by proxy of you raiding it, you in turn become that what you condemn. Hypocrisy at its finest.

This delegate stands opposed.

[The Sotoan Union]

The word "liberation" ought to mean something positive. If you want a resolution to strip of a region of its defenses in an attempt to destabilize it, use the correct wording and take your chances with trying to set a precedent instead of using wording to convince people of some good intention behind the resolution.

So, in summary, solidly against.

Liberation in this game was intended to allow the security council to help regions that had been forcibly taken over by other players. This is using the liberation feature to attack a sovereign region. Liberation is a real gameplay concept, not just a word. But this is abusing it.

[Hesse]

Let's attempt to hurt a region because they disagree with us ideologically! How tolerant!

[Xarxis]

Wow. You're not even pretending that the Liberation is benevolent anymore.

[Eist]

Again? Jeez, and I thought you had already scraped the bottom of the barrel, Cromarty. AGAINST

[Alpha Empire]

The word "liberation" ought to mean something positive. If you want a resolution to strip of a region of its defenses in an attempt to destabilize it, use the correct wording and take your chances with trying to set a precedent instead of using wording to convince people of some good intention behind the resolution.

So, in summary, solidly against.

Liberation in this game was intended to allow the security council to help regions that had been forcibly taken over by other players. This is using the liberation feature to attack a sovereign region. Liberation is a real gameplay concept, not just a word. But this is abusing it.

This is indeed no "liberation" that the Supreme Nyan can see. Passing this would set a dangerous precedent of allowing intolerance be the only excuse for liberations. Until you can show our Nyan Court of any tangible evidence that the region in question is destroying their neighbors then we must vote AGAINST this.

[Madenia]

I voted FOR this resolution. I will not rest until this German Reich is Liberated and I would volunteer to help raid it.

The Nazis deserve every inconvenience.

And by proxy of you raiding it, you in turn become that what you condemn. Hypocrisy at its finest.

This delegate stands opposed.

Not hypocrisy- revenge.

[Madenia]

Let's attempt to hurt a region because they disagree with us ideologically! How tolerant!

Because Nazis have never done that

[Wintermoot]

This resolution sets a horrible precedent of putting liberations on foundered regions on premise that it might become founderless at some point in the future. Sure, the Greater German Reich is the initial target here because it's an almost universally despised region, but where does it go from here? How long will it be until it's considered acceptable for The Black Riders or Pantheon to be *liberated" because they *might* become founderless in the future?

And really, how difficult would it be to liberate Greater German Reich if and when it actually becomes founderless and locked?

Opposed, and thus far the Citizens of Wintreath seem to agree with my stance.

[Scarsaw]

Not hypocrisy- revenge.

Revenge should never be a soul motivator, it only continues a circle of pain until everything around us is destroyed. In addition, I still see hypocrisy by you saying that TGGR are deserving to be "liberated"
because what they may believe is evil...only for your own actions and believes being far worse than theirs.

Because Nazis have never done that

Becoming a monster to attack those you claim to be monsters. Does that sound familiar? The Federation feels that using that using actions of a group in a world beyond our own to justify your own lowbrow actions here is a very poor excuse. Why reach to a land that doesn't exist to claim a moral victory? Is there nothing here in our reality that you can use instead?

Shouldn't that show you how wrong supporting this proposal is?