PASSED: Liberate Democratia

[Great Brutopia]

I certainly cannot remember seeing any "vibrant community" in Democratia. If the imperialists really succeed in "liberating" the region, it will probably go back to being yet another one or two-nation region with the newest post being 60 days old. But apart from that, I'm sure it will be a great defender trophy.
"This region has been liberated by the brave boys from 10000 Islands, Equinox etc etc with the kind help of an altered game rule"

Edit: I did not mean to insinuate that 10000 Islands does not use honourable and sporting defender tactics. It just happened to be the first defender region that came to my mind.

[Cromwell Protectorate]

I find it interesting that you seem to care so little for your own region.

((Speaking for Cromwell Protectorate))

Jedi-Gangsters,

Understanding how you feel (In the past with A Lee Project we have fell victim to Raiders in the regions we were once apart of; and as such, we're a defender-minded nation since 2003).

Where is the proof?

It seems it was almost 3 months since this had happened?
Where are those natives standing behind you and also expressing the concern you have?

You do realize that if this passes, it will change NationStates? (Again, honourable attempt, but the WA cannot interfear in game play, despite the Axis of Evil and their ideals)

[Jedi-Gangsters]

I certainly cannot remember seeing any "vibrant community" in Democratia. If the imperialists really succeed in "liberating" the region, it will probably go back to being yet another one or two-nation region with the newest post being 60 days old. But apart from that, I'm sure it will be a great defender trophy.
"This region has been liberated by the brave boys from 10000 Islands, Equinox etc etc with the kind help of an altered game rule"

Very cynical, indeed. If that happens then at least Democratia had the ability to decide its own fate. Liberate Democratia, remove The Axis of Evil from the region and let the region decide its own path.I have no interest in having Democratia as a trophy, that is not how I play NationStates.

[Cromwell Protectorate]

I certainly cannot remember seeing any "vibrant community" in Democratia. If the imperialists really succeed in "liberating" the region, it will probably go back to being yet another one or two-nation region with the newest post being 60 days old. But apart from that, I'm sure it will be a great defender trophy.
"This region has been liberated by the brave boys from 10000 Islands, Equinox etc etc with the kind help of an altered game rule"

We recall this, because A Lee Project (our former nationhead) was a Field Commander for 10,000 Islands TITO force...because of a game glitch, the region was defended...but all because of a glitch..overriding the rules.. ALP resigned it's commission because of this nonsense...overriding the game play.

[The Nuclear Robatics]

I find it interesting that you seem to care so little for your own region.

And I find it interesting that you care so little for the rights of nations to do whatever they please. Also the only region that i really care about is called The Royal Robatic Empire and no body can invaded it because i pass-word protect it from the outside world

[Jedi-Gangsters]

I certainly cannot remember seeing any "vibrant community" in Democratia. If the imperialists really succeed in "liberating" the region, it will probably go back to being yet another one or two-nation region with the newest post being 60 days old. But apart from that, I'm sure it will be a great defender trophy.
"This region has been liberated by the brave boys from 10000 Islands, Equinox etc etc with the kind help of an altered game rule"

Edit: I did not mean to insinuate that 10000 Islands does not use honourable and sporting defender tactics. It just happened to be the first defender region that came to my mind.

And you are indeed a member of The Axis of Evil,so it would be natural that you would support your regions actions. As stated I have no interest in making Democratia into trophy for myself. And you are clearly opposed to the idea of defenders making Democratia into a trophy. So, do you support The Axis of Evil using Democratia as a trophy?

[Jedi-Gangsters]

And I find it interesting that you care so little for the rights of nations to do whatever they please. Also the only region that i really care about is called The Royal Robatic Empire and no body can invaded it because i pass-word protect it from the outside world

I care deeply for the rights of other nations, but The Axis of Evil have no rightful claim to Democratia. Lucky Number and the others are non-natives, they are invaders belonging to The Axis of Evil. They have no right to speak for Democratia.

[Leach Islands]

The Axis of Evil have sucessfully invaded an unprotected region, if they did not want to be attacked, or if they wanted to emphasise their claim to sovereignity they would have taken measures to protect the region, and not let it fall to invaders.

[Jedi-Gangsters]

The Axis of Evil have sucessfully invaded an unprotected region, if they did not want to be attacked, or if they wanted to emphasise their claim to sovereignity they would have taken measures to protect.

Just because a region is unable to defend itself is not a valid justification for its destruction or its use as some kind of trophy.

[The Rich Port]

For a long time I was the delegate my region and had to use password-protection to prevent undesireable nations from entering our region. We have since refounded it, but I think that the option of liberating a region can be very easily abused by invaders or so-called defenders to impose their rule on others. Therefore I tend to oppose all Security Council resolutions, via my WA nation.

You've not heard of the word "investigation" or the phrase "fact-checking" before? Irrelevant. For example, I just checked up on your region to see whether you were not a raider in disguise, or whether you have committed past abuses. You haven't. Simple as that. You'd convince me otherwise if there were another reason, however.

Being a native speaker of English, I have actually heard of the phrase. It will probably surprise you, but I have even checked on the region in question. If several nations arrive from the AoE and decide to change the WFE it is their affair. The delegate and the nation Lucky Number have envidently inhabited Democratia for a lengthy period of time. There's no need to grief against either of them. Raiders or not, what they do with their home (which seems to me to be just another dying inactive mini-region) is no concern of mine or of any other region.

You seem to regard raiding as an "abuse". While I certainly would not like my region to be invaded, raiding does not break any game rules. NS probably wouldn't be half as fun as it is without an occasional war.

Then it is an abuse of the rules, an abuse of a LOOPHOLE. You know THAT word, too, huh? And, sure, it wouldn't be half as fun. Why do you think I'm so virulently for this measure? It wouldn't be any fun if the bad guys won all the time, now, would it? :D

[Leach Islands]

The Axis of Evil have sucessfully invaded an unprotected region, if they did not want to be attacked, or if they wanted to emphasise their claim to sovereignity they would have taken measures to protect.

Just because a region is unable to defend itself is not a valid justification for its destruction or its use as some kind of trophy.

It is a common known fact that defence is crucial to a Regions survival so although they do not deserve to be condemned to destrution or to be used as a trophy. These animals will see an oppertunity, to stop this happening Regions either need to defend themsleves, lock-down the region until it is safe, or ask for Allied help.

[The Rich Port]

The Axis of Evil have sucessfully invaded an unprotected region, if they did not want to be attacked, or if they wanted to emphasise their claim to sovereignity they would have taken measures to protect.

Just because a region is unable to defend itself is not a valid justification for its destruction or its use as some kind of trophy.

It is a common known fact that defence is crucial to a Regions survival so although they do not deserve to be condemned to destrution or to be used as a trophy. These animals will see an oppertunity, to stop this happening Regions either need to defend themsleves, lock-down the region until it is safe, or ask for Allied help.

Key-Word: ALLIED. As in the WA? Ok, sure. We'll liberate them so that the Axis can get booting.

[Leach Islands]

The Axis of Evil have sucessfully invaded an unprotected region, if they did not want to be attacked, or if they wanted to emphasise their claim to sovereignity they would have taken measures to protect.

Just because a region is unable to defend itself is not a valid justification for its destruction or its use as some kind of trophy.

It is a common known fact that defence is crucial to a Regions survival so although they do not deserve to be condemned to destrution or to be used as a trophy. These animals will see an oppertunity, to stop this happening Regions either need to defend themsleves, lock-down the region until it is safe, or ask for Allied help.

Key-Word: ALLIED. As in the WA? Ok, sure. We'll liberate them so that the Axis can get booting.

No. Allied as in Allied Regions

[The Rich Port]

The Axis of Evil have sucessfully invaded an unprotected region, if they did not want to be attacked, or if they wanted to emphasise their claim to sovereignity they would have taken measures to protect.

Just because a region is unable to defend itself is not a valid justification for its destruction or its use as some kind of trophy.

It is a common known fact that defence is crucial to a Regions survival so although they do not deserve to be condemned to destrution or to be used as a trophy. These animals will see an oppertunity, to stop this happening Regions either need to defend themsleves, lock-down the region until it is safe, or ask for Allied help.

Key-Word: ALLIED. As in the WA? Ok, sure. We'll liberate them so that the Axis can get booting.

No. Allied as in Allied Regions

Like the ones who have WA Members in them. Ok, sure.

[Leach Islands]

The Axis of Evil have sucessfully invaded an unprotected region, if they did not want to be attacked, or if they wanted to emphasise their claim to sovereignity they would have taken measures to protect.

Just because a region is unable to defend itself is not a valid justification for its destruction or its use as some kind of trophy.

It is a common known fact that defence is crucial to a Regions survival so although they do not deserve to be condemned to destrution or to be used as a trophy. These animals will see an oppertunity, to stop this happening Regions either need to defend themsleves, lock-down the region until it is safe, or ask for Allied help.

Key-Word: ALLIED. As in the WA? Ok, sure. We'll liberate them so that the Axis can get booting.

No. Allied as in Allied Regions

Like the ones who have WA Members in them. Ok, sure.

If you do not wan't to help them then don't, all i am saying is that Regions like these have to wake up and smell the coffee, No Defence=Possible Invasion By Raiders.

[Jedi-Gangsters]

Not all regions have the means to defend themselves or know where to go for help. They still deserve support and assistance.

[The Nuclear Robatics]

The Axis of Evil have sucessfully invaded an unprotected region, if they did not want to be attacked, or if they wanted to emphasise their claim to sovereignity they would have taken measures to protect.

Just because a region is unable to defend itself is not a valid justification for its destruction or its use as some kind of trophy.

Well if the residents and the founder of Democratia were active in thier region, the founder should have ejected and banned the nations of the Axis Of Evil from ever returning to Democratia. They didn't do that, so they deserved the ass kicking they got

[The Rich Port]

The Axis of Evil have sucessfully invaded an unprotected region, if they did not want to be attacked, or if they wanted to emphasise their claim to sovereignity they would have taken measures to protect.

Just because a region is unable to defend itself is not a valid justification for its destruction or its use as some kind of trophy.

It is a common known fact that defence is crucial to a Regions survival so although they do not deserve to be condemned to destrution or to be used as a trophy. These animals will see an oppertunity, to stop this happening Regions either need to defend themsleves, lock-down the region until it is safe, or ask for Allied help.

Key-Word: ALLIED. As in the WA? Ok, sure. We'll liberate them so that the Axis can get booting.

No. Allied as in Allied Regions

Like the ones who have WA Members in them. Ok, sure.

If you do not wan't to help them then don't, all i am saying is that Regions like these have to wake up and smell the coffee, No Defence=Possible Invasion By Raiders.

The WA is an international community. I help my fellow nation-state neighbors become independent and prosperous, not steal their house and toss them to the vultures. And you should learn: Invasion by Raiders=Repercussions from WA/the Invaded

[The Rich Port]

Well if the residents and the founder of Democratia were active in thier region, the founder should have ejected and banned the nations of the Axis Of Evil from ever returning to Democratia. They didn't do that, so they deserved the ass kicking they got

What sound reasoning! I think I'll go support this travesty... NOT

[Leach Islands]

Not all regions have the means to defend themselves or know where to go for help. They still deserve support and assistance.

Agreed but as this Region is an old one they should have known what might happen. Raids are getting more frequent now that we have the Liberation Scheme. If a New Region is attacked then intervention is definatley needed, but if an older region is attacked then they should have realised they need protecting.

[The Rich Port]

If a New Region is attacked then intervention is definatley needed, but if an older region is attacked then they should have realised they need protecting.

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Speaking of "sound reasoning"...

[Kalibarr]

Again:
Liberation Resolutions in the Security Council alter the rules of Play and put Regions such as NationStates in Jeopardy.

Therefore:
Mikeswill's vote against "Liberate Democratia" has been noted.

please tell me how this affects your region at all?

[The Rich Port]

Again:
Liberation Resolutions in the Security Council alter the rules of Play and put Regions such as NationStates in Jeopardy.

Therefore:
Mikeswill's vote against "Liberate Democratia" has been noted.

please tell me how this affects your region at all?

And why exactly do you oppose such a measure? You are giving the WA police powers it very desperately needs to avoid abuses around The World if one votes for it. And yet you claim to stand for the WA. Answer Messer Kalibarr's question, please.

[Elktown]

This idea basically would say communicate to people that you are not allowed to invade in this game.

[The Rich Port]

This idea basically would say communicate to people that you are not allowed to invade in this game.

And this is a problem to you? No? Didn't think so...